Re: Bradley turns down Khan fight thinks he is worth more that $1.4 for the fight.
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Fenster
Killersheep and Skel are right, Bradley isn't worth two bob. He split a million dollars for the Alexander fight, his biggest pot by miles, which turned out to be the ultimate dud. They couldn't give the tickets away. Bradley has ZERO fans outside a few internet forums.
Bradley offers Pac absolutely nothing.
But Bradley's nothing is more than anyone else's nothing.
I'm not stubborn - show me a better opponent for Pacquiao. I'm all ears.
Exactly as MMASux said, Pacquiao-Clottey did fine numbers and Clottey wasn't a belt-holder, wasn't a top ten p4p fighter, and hadn't been featured on HBO prior to the their fight, and unknown to the casual fan.
I'm not saying Bradley is ideal, but I don't think there is a better opponent.
And if Bradley offers Pacquiao nothing, why does he offer Khan anything?
I think the others are right. Manny is not going to fight a little known, undefeated guy who brings no appeal outside the hardcore fans and who isn't worth the risk.
After Mosley presuming he wins and still wants to fight obviously Mayweather is option number 1.
If that doesn't happen his next fight will almost certainly be one of the following imo.
1. Marquez
2. Ortiz
3. Cotto rematch
4. Berto
Berto would have been in prime position but his loss to Ortiz has seriously messed that up. But given that Oscar, Hatton, Clottey, Cotto, Margarito and Mosley were all coming off recent losses it's still not impossible.
It will have to someone of whom HBO approve, and who can generate sales. If not Marquez, both Ortiz and Cotto are big name fighters, and Cotto at 154 might be very interesting.
The outsider for me is Maidana. He's a much bigger name than Bradley now and even though Manny takes him apart imo it would be a popular fight, I mean who wouldn't want to see that?
Marquez is clearly the best option. Ortiz is a GB fighter so that won't happen although if TR and GB could get over their feud, it may make the most sense of the options out there. Cotto rematch isn't going to happen because Cotto is fighting Margarito in the fall, which leaves Manny without another fight until next year. Berto's people aren't putting him in with Pacquiao after Ortiz shut him down. There's too much at stake to ruin his career. Plus, Berto sells worse than Bradley sells. I think he sold less than a thousand tickets for his fight before Ortiz. He is notoriously the worst ticket seller in boxing. Lastly, he doesn't deserve a Pacquiao fight at all. Maidana isn't a bad call, but isn't Maidana affiliated with GB? Bradley is a much better call, but Maidana isn't bad.
So, bottom line, for all the ragging on Bradley, no one has been able to come up with a much better option after Marquez and Mayweather even though Bradley isn't a big ticket-seller. Who deserves it more than Bradley? Bradley fought the consensus #2 or #3 guy in the division and won. Prior to that, he moved up to 147 and took the 0 from someone there, he travelled to England and in an upset beat Junior Witter. He's the most accomplished at 140. He's a top ten p4p fighter.
Re: Bradley turns down Khan fight thinks he is worth more that $1.4 for the fight.
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Rantcatrat
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Bilbo
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Rantcatrat
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Fenster
Killersheep and Skel are right, Bradley isn't worth two bob. He split a million dollars for the Alexander fight, his biggest pot by miles, which turned out to be the ultimate dud. They couldn't give the tickets away. Bradley has ZERO fans outside a few internet forums.
Bradley offers Pac absolutely nothing.
But Bradley's nothing is more than anyone else's nothing.
I'm not stubborn - show me a better opponent for Pacquiao. I'm all ears.
Exactly as MMASux said, Pacquiao-Clottey did fine numbers and Clottey wasn't a belt-holder, wasn't a top ten p4p fighter, and hadn't been featured on HBO prior to the their fight, and unknown to the casual fan.
I'm not saying Bradley is ideal, but I don't think there is a better opponent.
And if Bradley offers Pacquiao nothing, why does he offer Khan anything?
I think the others are right. Manny is not going to fight a little known, undefeated guy who brings no appeal outside the hardcore fans and who isn't worth the risk.
After Mosley presuming he wins and still wants to fight obviously Mayweather is option number 1.
If that doesn't happen his next fight will almost certainly be one of the following imo.
1. Marquez
2. Ortiz
3. Cotto rematch
4. Berto
Berto would have been in prime position but his loss to Ortiz has seriously messed that up. But given that Oscar, Hatton, Clottey, Cotto, Margarito and Mosley were all coming off recent losses it's still not impossible.
It will have to someone of whom HBO approve, and who can generate sales. If not Marquez, both Ortiz and Cotto are big name fighters, and Cotto at 154 might be very interesting.
The outsider for me is Maidana. He's a much bigger name than Bradley now and even though Manny takes him apart imo it would be a popular fight, I mean who wouldn't want to see that?
Marquez is clearly the best option. Ortiz is a GB fighter so that won't happen although if TR and GB could get over their feud, it may make the most sense of the options out there. Cotto rematch isn't going to happen because Cotto is fighting Margarito in the fall, which leaves Manny without another fight until next year. Berto's people aren't putting him in with Pacquiao after Ortiz shut him down. There's too much at stake to ruin his career. Plus, Berto sells worse than Bradley sells. I think he sold less than a thousand tickets for his fight before Ortiz. He is notoriously the worst ticket seller in boxing. Lastly, he doesn't deserve a Pacquiao fight at all. Maidana isn't a bad call, but isn't Maidana affiliated with GB? Bradley is a much better call, but Maidana isn't bad.
So, bottom line, for all the ragging on Bradley, no one has been able to come up with a much better option after Marquez and Mayweather even though Bradley isn't a big ticket-seller. Who deserves it more than Bradley? Bradley fought the consensus #2 or #3 guy in the division and won. Prior to that, he moved up to 147 and took the 0 from someone there, he travelled to England and in an upset beat Junior Witter. He's the most accomplished at 140. He's a top ten p4p fighter.
I don't really care for the Pac talk as I think it makes far more sense for Bradley to go out there and do something to Khan. You are right though, it is unfair for people to crap on Bradley. The guy has won his belts and has built up a solid resume. He deserves his share and I want to see this fight next....Khan.
Re: Bradley turns down Khan fight thinks he is worth more that $1.4 for the fight.
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miles
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Rantcatrat
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Bilbo
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Rantcatrat
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Fenster
Killersheep and Skel are right, Bradley isn't worth two bob. He split a million dollars for the Alexander fight, his biggest pot by miles, which turned out to be the ultimate dud. They couldn't give the tickets away. Bradley has ZERO fans outside a few internet forums.
Bradley offers Pac absolutely nothing.
But Bradley's nothing is more than anyone else's nothing.
I'm not stubborn - show me a better opponent for Pacquiao. I'm all ears.
Exactly as MMASux said, Pacquiao-Clottey did fine numbers and Clottey wasn't a belt-holder, wasn't a top ten p4p fighter, and hadn't been featured on HBO prior to the their fight, and unknown to the casual fan.
I'm not saying Bradley is ideal, but I don't think there is a better opponent.
And if Bradley offers Pacquiao nothing, why does he offer Khan anything?
I think the others are right. Manny is not going to fight a little known, undefeated guy who brings no appeal outside the hardcore fans and who isn't worth the risk.
After Mosley presuming he wins and still wants to fight obviously Mayweather is option number 1.
If that doesn't happen his next fight will almost certainly be one of the following imo.
1. Marquez
2. Ortiz
3. Cotto rematch
4. Berto
Berto would have been in prime position but his loss to Ortiz has seriously messed that up. But given that Oscar, Hatton, Clottey, Cotto, Margarito and Mosley were all coming off recent losses it's still not impossible.
It will have to someone of whom HBO approve, and who can generate sales. If not Marquez, both Ortiz and Cotto are big name fighters, and Cotto at 154 might be very interesting.
The outsider for me is Maidana. He's a much bigger name than Bradley now and even though Manny takes him apart imo it would be a popular fight, I mean who wouldn't want to see that?
Marquez is clearly the best option. Ortiz is a GB fighter so that won't happen although if TR and GB could get over their feud, it may make the most sense of the options out there. Cotto rematch isn't going to happen because Cotto is fighting Margarito in the fall, which leaves Manny without another fight until next year. Berto's people aren't putting him in with Pacquiao after Ortiz shut him down. There's too much at stake to ruin his career. Plus, Berto sells worse than Bradley sells. I think he sold less than a thousand tickets for his fight before Ortiz. He is notoriously the worst ticket seller in boxing. Lastly, he doesn't deserve a Pacquiao fight at all. Maidana isn't a bad call, but isn't Maidana affiliated with GB? Bradley is a much better call, but Maidana isn't bad.
So, bottom line, for all the ragging on Bradley, no one has been able to come up with a much better option after Marquez and Mayweather even though Bradley isn't a big ticket-seller. Who deserves it more than Bradley? Bradley fought the consensus #2 or #3 guy in the division and won. Prior to that, he moved up to 147 and took the 0 from someone there, he travelled to England and in an upset beat Junior Witter. He's the most accomplished at 140. He's a top ten p4p fighter.
I don't really care for the Pac talk as I think it makes far more sense for Bradley to go out there and do something to Khan. You are right though, it is unfair for people to crap on Bradley. The guy has won his belts and has built up a solid resume. He deserves his share and I want to see this fight next....Khan.
I'm not saying it doesn't make sense for him to fight Khan either. Certainly, he has a better shot at winning that fight. I was just saying that it may be what he was thinking. Since Berto lost, Pacquiao is without a good option for an opponent for his next fight if Marquez signs with GB to fight Zab and Guerrero instead of Pacquiao. My only point was that after Marquez, Bradley makes the most sense of the options.
Re: Bradley turns down Khan fight thinks he is worth more that $1.4 for the fight.
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Rantcatrat
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Rantcatrat
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Bilbo
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Rantcatrat
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Fenster
Killersheep and Skel are right, Bradley isn't worth two bob. He split a million dollars for the Alexander fight, his biggest pot by miles, which turned out to be the ultimate dud. They couldn't give the tickets away. Bradley has ZERO fans outside a few internet forums.
Bradley offers Pac absolutely nothing.
But Bradley's nothing is more than anyone else's nothing.
I'm not stubborn - show me a better opponent for Pacquiao. I'm all ears.
Exactly as MMASux said, Pacquiao-Clottey did fine numbers and Clottey wasn't a belt-holder, wasn't a top ten p4p fighter, and hadn't been featured on HBO prior to the their fight, and unknown to the casual fan.
I'm not saying Bradley is ideal, but I don't think there is a better opponent.
And if Bradley offers Pacquiao nothing, why does he offer Khan anything?
I think the others are right. Manny is not going to fight a little known, undefeated guy who brings no appeal outside the hardcore fans and who isn't worth the risk.
After Mosley presuming he wins and still wants to fight obviously Mayweather is option number 1.
If that doesn't happen his next fight will almost certainly be one of the following imo.
1. Marquez
2. Ortiz
3. Cotto rematch
4. Berto
Berto would have been in prime position but his loss to Ortiz has seriously messed that up. But given that Oscar, Hatton, Clottey, Cotto, Margarito and Mosley were all coming off recent losses it's still not impossible.
It will have to someone of whom HBO approve, and who can generate sales. If not Marquez, both Ortiz and Cotto are big name fighters, and Cotto at 154 might be very interesting.
The outsider for me is Maidana. He's a much bigger name than Bradley now and even though Manny takes him apart imo it would be a popular fight, I mean who wouldn't want to see that?
Marquez is clearly the best option. Ortiz is a GB fighter so that won't happen although if TR and GB could get over their feud, it may make the most sense of the options out there. Cotto rematch isn't going to happen because Cotto is fighting Margarito in the fall, which leaves Manny without another fight until next year. Berto's people aren't putting him in with Pacquiao after Ortiz shut him down. There's too much at stake to ruin his career. Plus, Berto sells worse than Bradley sells. I think he sold less than a thousand tickets for his fight before Ortiz. He is notoriously the worst ticket seller in boxing. Lastly, he doesn't deserve a Pacquiao fight at all. Maidana isn't a bad call, but isn't Maidana affiliated with GB? Bradley is a much better call, but Maidana isn't bad.
So, bottom line, for all the ragging on Bradley, no one has been able to come up with a much better option after Marquez and Mayweather even though Bradley isn't a big ticket-seller. Who deserves it more than Bradley? Bradley fought the consensus #2 or #3 guy in the division and won. Prior to that, he moved up to 147 and took the 0 from someone there, he travelled to England and in an upset beat Junior Witter. He's the most accomplished at 140. He's a top ten p4p fighter.
I don't really care for the Pac talk as I think it makes far more sense for Bradley to go out there and do something to Khan. You are right though, it is unfair for people to crap on Bradley. The guy has won his belts and has built up a solid resume. He deserves his share and I want to see this fight next....Khan.
I'm not saying it doesn't make sense for him to fight Khan either. Certainly, he has a better shot at winning that fight. I was just saying that it may be what he was thinking. Since Berto lost, Pacquiao is without a good option for an opponent for his next fight if Marquez signs with GB to fight Zab and Guerrero instead of Pacquiao. My only point was that after Marquez, Bradley makes the most sense of the options.
I quite agree with that really. People are downplaying Bradley far too easily, when he has acheived more than Khan by my reckoning. He is the man at his weight.
Re: Bradley turns down Khan fight thinks he is worth more that $1.4 for the fight.
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As Gary Shaw and Fat Dan, Khan has signed the deal and is ready to rumble for July 23rd. Bradley has turned down $1.4 million according to his promoter Gary Shaw, I hope this is just games and he is trying all he can to get a bit more before signing.
To be fair Bradley holds two titles and is number one, but on the other hand he has no fanbase and his last fight was awful he stunk the joint out $1.4 million seems fine to me.
Simply put, if true, Bradley would be a fool to turn down 1.4 million, he's just not that marketable, and who else could he fight and make that kind of money? Let's hope they work it out, i'd like to see this fight.
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unless we know what khan is getting then this whole thread is bs :cool:
Bradley's $1.4m offer is his highest purse ever. So considering Bradley's entire fanbase share the same taxi to his fights (courtesy of Steve Bunce), and Khan has a reported $1.5million guarantee with Golden Boy/HBO for fights Stateside, you can safely bet Khan will be earning more ;)
In that case. IF Khan is threat to Bradley and Khan wants his belts then cough up more money. Half the people watching Khan are watching to see him lose his fan base will vanish at that point.:cool:
Why is everyone on Bradleys case when by holding the titles Khan is chasing, Khan would be earning more? My titles, my town, pay up or get frozen out.
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What kills me is the invoking of the obscurity card when it comes to Bradley vs a Pac. Yeh Bradley may have all the charisma and flare of warm bologna on Wonder bread but Manny could dry shave in the mirror and make quality coin. The general public is missing quite a story I'd say and a fine fighter to boot so I dont mind dropping the name as often as possible.
On the flip side you have Manny taking Mosley on, and lets get real, name alone. He's established a following....as well as being partners in Oscars syndicate.....so it pushes the publicity. This isn't on 'merit' in regards to cleaning up a division and doing nothing but winning, ala Bradley...its two guys high fiving in the backroom. Yes, I give Mosley a shot on size and power alone but Manny is running out of dance partners. Bradley vs Alexander WAS a great match up and though promotion and fight site was terrible WE knew it was a good match up and what boxing needs! You dont have a crystal ball to tell you Alexander would turn into a kitten and go limp, but I give Bradley all the more credit for putting him there and taking his confidence. I dont buy Bradley being this ugly duckling and therefore its 'understandable' for the big fights to pass him over for fear of a bad gate or poor turnout when it comes to Manny. He...boxing... doesn't get that pass from this one. Him making noise and rattling Khans chain is him insisting on respect earned. I believe this fight will happen, its getting people talking. Khan needs it too, Maidana just got out fought and in many eyes went even with an ancient Morales and respectfully here, he cant keep pulling guys off milk cartons across the pond and having shite endings like that. Not sure where this was going, hope it got there :cwm13:
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and what is khan getting?
Probably 5 or 6 mil. I cant say I blame Tim really. Seems like a low ball offer.
Khan only got $750,000 for the Maidana fight, I can't see him getting much more than Bradley for this fight, certainly not as much as $5 million+ more.
I hope this is gamesmanship, it just doesn't seem like Bradley to turn down a fight with anyone especially for over $1 million. I think Skel might be right, it could be a clause to do with extending his deal with Shaw that's the sticking point.
Khan lost the plot in the Maidana fight and no doubt a shit load of money through terrible promotion and choice of broadcaster. Cant imo be used as any kind of a measuring stick to this one. Perhaps Khans side will never divulge what they stood or stand to make. Offer Tim 60/40. Fights a done deal.
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I just read Dan Rafeal's blog and now it makes sense why this fight is not going to happen. HBO guaranteed both Bradley-Alexander at least 1.2 million for their next fights. Win, lose, draw 1.2 million. So i'm sure Bradley's thinking is i can go fight a weaker opponent for 1.2, then fight Khan for who knows how much money after that. Check out the article, it makes more sense as to why it's not going to happen now...at least to me it does.
Timothy Bradley-Amir Khan fight falling apart - ESPN
Re: Bradley turns down Khan fight thinks he is worth more that $1.4 for the fight.
Well, that is a damn shame if true because beating up Khan would put Bradley firmly on the map and bigger fights would follow. He already has the resume building but he doesn't have that name factor, another big win would get him there.
Re: Bradley turns down Khan fight thinks he is worth more that $1.4 for the fight.
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Howlin Mad Missy
unless we know what khan is getting then this whole thread is bs :cool:
This thread is bs anyways, I don't know about you guys but I could give a rats ass what the boxers make. I just want to see the best fight the best. Seems like some people care more about contract negotiations than the actual fights. My opinion is let the promotors handle this crap, and let us know when the contracts are signed. It's kind of like the NFL situation currently. Hey if you enjoy this type of stuff have at it, but it really bores the crap out of me.
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No Contest
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Howlin Mad Missy
unless we know what khan is getting then this whole thread is bs :cool:
This thread is bs anyways, I don't know about you guys but I could give a rats ass what the boxers make. I just want to see the best fight the best. Seems like some people care more about contract negotiations than the actual fights. My opinion is let the promotors handle this crap, and let us know when the contracts are signed. It's kind of like the NFL situation currently. Hey if you enjoy this type of stuff have at it, but it really bores the crap out of me.
In the fight game negotiations are 90%, training 7%, the fight makes up the rest (these are really real fact numbers from a reliable anonymous source) The reason we talk about this stuff so much is because it's what we have the most to talk about.
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No Contest
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Howlin Mad Missy
unless we know what khan is getting then this whole thread is bs :cool:
This thread is bs anyways, I don't know about you guys but I could give a rats ass what the boxers make. I just want to see the best fight the best. Seems like some people care more about contract negotiations than the actual fights. My opinion is let the promotors handle this crap, and let us know when the contracts are signed. It's kind of like the NFL situation currently. Hey if you enjoy this type of stuff have at it, but it really bores the crap out of me.
I agree, I couldn't give a flying fuck how much money these guys are making. I care about how well they do their job, not how much money they make doing it. That is why Floyd and his mouth is really irritating, just shut up and fight someone you tax avoiding, money loving booby! :rolleyes:
Money is a very boring subject to talk about.
Re: Bradley turns down Khan fight thinks he is worth more that $1.4 for the fight.
I dont feel either Khan or Bradley are big box office , but they should fight to see who is the best.
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I dont feel either Khan or Bradley are big box office , but they should fight to see who is the best.
Agreed, Bradley should take the money and not worry about what Khan is making. Bradley can beat Khan and make even more money against Floyd or Pac Man.
