Re: 1973 George Foreman smokes EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!
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It is a big shame that Larry Holmes never got hold of George as he would have beaten him any and every time.
I heard George Foreman was avoiding him, when they were both in there 40's making there comeback. But i don't know if thats true or not, but what i do know. Is that Larry Holmes's comeback was very underrated.
He beat up Ray Mercer, lost a close decision to Evander Holyfield. And deserved to be world champion at 45 but lost a razor thin close decision to Oliver McCall, which i think he won 7 rounds to 5.
I remember Holmes dropping his name alot, but think he was doing to Foreman what Foreman was doing with Tyson in comeback. Big bank and yeh...he believed he would whip George.
Holmes just flat out schooled Mercer...sort of picked up where Damiani left off before his nose was turned into a fire hose by Mercer. That was fun to watch. Holmes did well in run but had more then a few part time stunt doubles along the way. Still can't figure what that Paul poieir (?) thing was. If you didnt catch his fight with Quinn Navarre check it out see what you think. Been a while but I thought Navarre just boxed Holmes silly...bit of a rob job.
Re: 1973 George Foreman smokes EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!
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rjj tszyu
As for Evander being Sparked cold............. I don't know, nobody Sparked Evander
Bowe did in fight 3.
Re: 1973 George Foreman smokes EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!
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And dats no joke, blokes. ;D
wtf?? this Freak Monster was blowing away people. 1973 George Foreman would literally annihilate the K brothers in 3 rounds. David Haye wouldn't last HALF of what Ken Norton and Joe Frazier lasted. Evander Holyfield woulda been knocked COLD STONE COLD since he prolly woulda fought "up" in his chihuahua complex like he did against Bowe and got knocked the fuck out. Foreman at age 42 almost knocked Holyfield the motherfuck out WITH A MOTHERFUCKIN JAB!
Big George TAKES EVERY MOTHER OUT. He would destroy Ali if there'd been a rematch. All GF had to do in the rematch was throw that telephone pole jab one-for-one with Ali's jab and conserve his energy a bit.
I for one believes that with better cardio Foreman could take Ali in a rematch. Maybe I'm 2 in a billion;D
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ICB
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It is a big shame that Larry Holmes never got hold of George as he would have beaten him any and every time.
I heard George Foreman was avoiding him, when they were both in there 40's making there comeback. But i don't know if thats true or not, but what i do know. Is that Larry Holmes's comeback was very underrated.
He beat up Ray Mercer, lost a close decision to Evander Holyfield. And deserved to be world champion at 45 but lost a razor thin close decision to Oliver McCall, which i think he won 7 rounds to 5.
I remember Holmes dropping his name alot, but think he was doing to Foreman what Foreman was doing with Tyson in comeback. Big bank and yeh...he believed he would whip George.
Holmes just flat out schooled Mercer...sort of picked up where Damiani left off before his nose was turned into a fire hose by Mercer. That was fun to watch. Holmes did well in run but had more then a few part time stunt doubles along the way. Still can't figure what that Paul poieir (?) thing was. If you didnt catch his fight with Quinn Navarre check it out see what you think. Been a while but I thought Navarre just boxed Holmes silly...bit of a rob job.
I've heard the Quinn Navarre fight was close, i haven't seen it though anywhere on the net. I've seen the Maurice Harris fight, and i have to admit despite Larry Holmes being one of my favourite boxers.
He did get a gift in that fight, but then again the man was in his late 40's, so i can forgive him for that. And remember he also had a few fights that should of gone his way. Spinks 2, Nielsen, McCall, so all in all it probably even's itself out.
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Foreman thought he was drugged before the Ali fight, and judging by the way he fought, i believe him. I've never seen George so inaccurate and wild with his punches.
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No way Foreman smokes Tyson in 2. Tyson was a far superior fighter than Frazier in his prime IMO. He had underrated defence, was much faster and hit much harder too. Foreman would have had a tough time landing clean and would find Tyson hard to hurt too. Prime Tyson had great stamina and stayed active for the full 12 rounds. With prime Foreman there are question marks about his stamina and his defence wasn't the best.
He would have eaten Tysons power punches and I can see Tyson either stopping him or else settling for an easy points win. Tyson in his own way would have been the stronger and bigger man despite being shorter. He was a generation later and fighters were a good 10-20 pounds heavier then.
I see him being too much for Big George. Too quick, too technically adept and ultimately able to punch just as hard if not harder.
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Short, stocky, short armed heavyweights with a bobbing and weaving style are tailor made for Foreman. Just see his destruction of Joe Frazier. I can definitely imagine Tyson eating a few uppercuts from Foreman just like Frazier. And guess what? Tyson was vulnerable to the uppercut, see Tyson-Douglas where the right uppercut stunned Tyson and set up the knockout, and see the Tyson-Tucker fight in round 1 where Tyson was stunned with an uppercut, see Lewis-Tyson where he was hurt by the uppercut in round 1. So I say Foreman punches harder than any of those guys and if he times Tyson just like he timed Frazier with the uppercuts it's over. Tyson got wobbled and was seriously hurt by Bonecrusher Smith in the last 10 seconds of the fight, imagine if it was prime Foreman?
And Foreman in his prime weighed 215-230 depending on the foe, so Foreman would not be smaller than Tyson. Tyson would not be able to intimidate and bully Foreman, not to mentioned Tyson does have stamina problems, he even stated this in his 2009 documentary citing that he has a lung problem and it was a good thing many of his fights ended early.
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Big George would knock Tyson out about 2 minutes earlier than he knocked the living lights out of Smokin Joe. Tyson had a great great chin, but not as great as Joe Frazier.
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brocktonblockbust
Big George would knock Tyson out about 2 minutes earlier than he knocked the living lights out of Smokin Joe. Tyson had a great great chin, but not as great as Joe Frazier.
Tyson was far more elusive and punched from angles that the bigger men could not see. Tyson was a quality boxer, who punched with speed and venom. Totally different animal to Frasier.
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And dats no joke, blokes. ;D
wtf?? this Freak Monster was blowing away people. 1973 George Foreman would literally annihilate the K brothers in 3 rounds. David Haye wouldn't last HALF of what Ken Norton and Joe Frazier lasted. Evander Holyfield woulda been knocked COLD STONE COLD since he prolly woulda fought "up" in his chihuahua complex like he did against Bowe and got knocked the fuck out. Foreman at age 42 almost knocked Holyfield the motherfuck out WITH A MOTHERFUCKIN JAB!
Big George TAKES EVERY MOTHER OUT. He would destroy Ali if there'd been a rematch. All GF had to do in the rematch was throw that telephone pole jab one-for-one with Ali's jab and conserve his energy a bit.
So, did Foreman's invincibility cloak only work during the calendar year of 1973?
That must be the case, because a still prime Foreman was humiliated by an ageing Muhammad Ali, who had no legs left in 1974.
I doubt every much he'd have won a rematch either.
Providing the fight happened by the end of 1975, Ali would have just outpointed the much slower & one dimensional Foreman.
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I can't see Tyson beating Foreman i think he is to mentally weak to make it through it. I think Holyfeild would of been able to outpoint Foreman as well and as for as the Bowie fight Holydfeild had some serious health issues before that fight happen. Also i don't remember Holyfield being sparked just more like he could not breath and was pretty out of it for that fight.
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Short, stocky, short armed heavyweights with a bobbing and weaving style are tailor made for Foreman. Just see his destruction of Joe Frazier. I can definitely imagine Tyson eating a few uppercuts from Foreman just like Frazier. And guess what? Tyson was vulnerable to the uppercut, see Tyson-Douglas where the right uppercut stunned Tyson and set up the knockout, and see the Tyson-Tucker fight in round 1 where Tyson was stunned with an uppercut, see Lewis-Tyson where he was hurt by the uppercut in round 1. So I say Foreman punches harder than any of those guys and if he times Tyson just like he timed Frazier with the uppercuts it's over. Tyson got wobbled and was seriously hurt by Bonecrusher Smith in the last 10 seconds of the fight, imagine if it was prime Foreman?
And Foreman in his prime weighed 215-230 depending on the foe, so Foreman would not be smaller than Tyson. Tyson would not be able to intimidate and bully Foreman, not to mentioned Tyson does have stamina problems, he even stated this in his 2009 documentary citing that he has a lung problem and it was a good thing many of his fights ended early.
We are constantly told that this style and size is made for Foreman and are always given Frazier as the model. However, Tyson and Frazier are totally different fighters. Tyson in his own way was like a HW Pacquiao, he was hard to hit, had devastating power and would come at you with either hand. Sure Tyson could sometimes be hit with the uppercut, woopy doo. Foreman could be hit with practically anything, his defence was as leaky as a 400 ear old ceiling. Tyson would be on him in a flash and would have landed 3 punches before Foreman realised that Tyson was now in close and mauling him. It would be extremely frustrating for Foreman. Tyson wouldn't just stand on the outside like Frazier allowing Foreman to swing at the moving target. He would use his movement, land, get inside, rinse and repeat. Foreman would be too slow and ponderous to do anything about it. Tyson's handspeed was that good.
I refuse to listen to examples of Tyson post prison as that was a different beast and the style had unfolded. In fact, it unfolded post Bruno really, but he was still a fine athletic being and the power stayed along with great instincts, but technically he wasn't the same after Rooney left. The prime Tyson took anyones punch, was faster than almost every other heavyweight, hit just as hard and was extremely difficult to pin down. He would have given Foreman fits.
Tyson downplays a lot of his achievements these days. He hates boxing and all of that. He messed up a lot of his life, but even if he says his stamina was suspect, the evidence suggests otherwise. Even in going the distance, he always won every round and outworked his opponent. Tyson/Bonecrusher Smith was his very own Pac/Mosley. Not inspiring, but took every round for the decision. Foreman rarely went the distance himself and Ali showed that Foreman's ring IQ and stamina was average.
Tyson takes him.
Re: 1973 George Foreman smokes EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!
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Master
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brocktonblockbust
Big George would knock Tyson out about 2 minutes earlier than he knocked the living lights out of Smokin Joe. Tyson had a great great chin, but not as great as Joe Frazier.
Tyson was far more elusive and punched from angles that the bigger men could not see. Tyson was a quality boxer, who punched with speed and venom. Totally different animal to Frasier.
Totally, I hate the Frazier/Tyson comparisons really. It's a lazy connection.
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miles
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Master
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brocktonblockbust
Big George would knock Tyson out about 2 minutes earlier than he knocked the living lights out of Smokin Joe. Tyson had a great great chin, but not as great as Joe Frazier.
Tyson was far more elusive and punched from angles that the bigger men could not see. Tyson was a quality boxer, who punched with speed and venom. Totally different animal to Frasier.
Totally, I hate the Frazier/Tyson comparisons really. It's a lazy connection.
I always used to think that Miles, but thinking about it. Apart from the height and aggressive style. There overall style isn't really alike, i mean Joe Frazier didn't really have good footwork and his defense wasn't like Mike Tyson's.
I remember when Mike Tyson made one guy miss, like 10 punches in a row then countered with a left hook to floor him that was great.
I mean a blown up Light Heavyweight Dwight Muhammad Qawi, held his own vs George Foreman who was short and had aggressive style. I mean you could also point out that fight aswell.
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brocktonblockbust
And dats no joke, blokes. ;D
wtf?? this Freak Monster was blowing away people. 1973 George Foreman would literally annihilate the K brothers in 3 rounds. David Haye wouldn't last HALF of what Ken Norton and Joe Frazier lasted. Evander Holyfield woulda been knocked COLD STONE COLD since he prolly woulda fought "up" in his chihuahua complex like he did against Bowe and got knocked the fuck out. Foreman at age 42 almost knocked Holyfield the motherfuck out WITH A MOTHERFUCKIN JAB!
Big George TAKES EVERY MOTHER OUT. He would destroy Ali if there'd been a rematch. All GF had to do in the rematch was throw that telephone pole jab one-for-one with Ali's jab and conserve his energy a bit.
Who are you trying to kid? George Foreman was powerful, but not moreso than the Klitschko brothers who also have way more skill than he did. There is no way he gets through or around Wladimir's jab.
