re: Predictions for if Haye had fought a Prime Tyson
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Tyson would kick his rear end into touch inside of a round, he would dispose of Wlad in two. Vitali would last longer, but you can't fight Tyson with your hands down so much.
....How would Mike reach Vitali's chin when Lennox Lewis had a difficult enough time doing that?
Brock, you've contradicted yourself "nobody beats Prime Tyson" and "1973 Foreman beats Tyson".....#1 "Prime Tyson" wasn't unbeatable or untouchable (Smith and Bruno rocked him) #2 Joe Louis is the Greatest Heavyweight of ALL Time and he would have crushed Tyson! Ali would have toyed with Iron Mike and any version of Big George would have whipped him. As for Lewis and Holyfield....they beat Mike in real life, I don't see why they wouldn't have been able to beat him in his prime.
Michael Spinks was a damn light heavyweight man!!!
I totally agree with you here Lyle.
Tyson had an invincible aura around him because he battered bums. His very best win came vs an ancient Larry Holmes who couldn't get his shots off and the only other 2 HW legends he fought kicked his ass. I'm sick of hearing he was past his best by the time he fought Holyfield. Well MAYBE but upto that point after his release from prison he was doing exactly what he was in his PRIME and that was battering bums. Hell he even beat Bruno in better fashion than he did in this so called unbeatable PRIME of his. Another thing that Tyson fans forget is going into the fight Evander was completely washed up, so imagine what a prime Evander would have done to him.
This man gets it. I mean when you ko guys like Michael Jack Johnson, Sammy Scaff, blownup light heavies like Spinks and old man Holmes, you create an aura of invincibility. But against atg Heavies like Lewis and Evander, he got his ass handed to him. What's funny is that they say Tyson was past his best, but so were Evander and Lewis when Tyson fought them.
Spot on mate.
naa completely wrong mate, you can pick holes in everyones records, if you take that approach every fighter in boxing history was over rated or shit or just beat up on bums
Tyson was awesome, a phenomonom and i hope one day we get another tyson
Tyson was way past his best when he fought lewis, he was still a force when he fought hollyfield but not a patch on the fighter he had been 10 years (or whatever) before
He was a phenom but nowhere close to the best of the best of the other eras (Ali, Foreman etc). He did well because the era he fought in wasn't that filled at the time with great and dangerous boxers, mostly sand bags and great one on the utter decline. He was intimidating, very powerful, sure, but it has been quite documented that oen who can last 5-6 rounds with Mike had all the chances to win. Douglas did bust the aura, Tyson has never been the same after, as much in his head than in the other's eyes who now saw that they could beat him.
re: Predictions for if Haye had fought a Prime Tyson
Whilst I agree Tyson’s aura of invincibility was gone after the Douglas defeat, Tyson still managed to beat many good opponents afterwards particularly the dangerous Rudduck twice. Very few fighters wanted to face Razor including Holyfield and Big George (who never would have fought him).
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OMG if Ruiz can tap Haye on the chin and send him flying, Tyson would of knocked him clean out of the arena!
re: Predictions for if Haye had fought a Prime Tyson
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He was a phenom but nowhere close to the best of the best of the other eras (Ali, Foreman etc).
How many successfull defences did Foreman make?
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He was a phenom but nowhere close to the best of the best of the other eras (Ali, Foreman etc).
How many successfull defences did Foreman make?
Ross you know as well as I that does not mean that George Foreman was not a great heavyweight fighter even if he did not become a great champion. Losing to Ali, the greatest ever is not a bad way to lose a title. Conversely some champions have had more defences than Tyson but do not make them greater than Mike including Wlad.
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He was a phenom but nowhere close to the best of the best of the other eras (Ali, Foreman etc).
How many successfull defences did Foreman make?
Ross you know as well as I that does not mean that George Foreman was not a great heavyweight fighter even if he did not become a great champion. Losing to Ali, the greatest ever is not a bad way to lose a title. Conversely some champions have had more defences than Tyson but do not make them greater than Mike including Wlad.
What decent wins did Foreman have after Ali?
In Tysons case, its always "he had such a short successfull period and when he came up against someone who wasnt intimidated the bully got bullied"
Well, Mike had a far more successfull career than either of Foremans. ;)
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He beat Frazier again, he beat Ron Lyle, he beat Gerry Cooney, Michael Moorer....he rocked the shit out of Evander Holyfield which is more than Tyson can say and George was over 40 years old!!!
Neither Cooney or Moorer would have got out of the first round with Mike;)
As for Ron Lyle, he was a journeyman who bounced Foreman off the canvas. He may well have rocked Holyfield, who didnt before he started taking steroids?
Again, his best win after Ali to prove his greatness? Oh yes, you said Moorer.
Much like Spinks, a blown up light heavy but where as Spinks held the linear title by beating Holmes, Foreman wan the WBO............
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Foreman > Tyson......FACT
Foreman demolished an all time great in his prime in Joe Frazier...did Tyson ever beat an all time great in his prime? No he beat a faded Larry Holmes and then went on to refuse to fight Foreman in the 1990's.
Tyson did not avoid George, he took of Rudduck who was far more dangerous that George!!!
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Foreman > Tyson......FACT
Foreman demolished an all time great in his prime in Joe Frazier...did Tyson ever beat an all time great in his prime? No he beat a faded Larry Holmes and then went on to refuse to fight Foreman in the 1990's.
Mike was unfortunate enough that when he ruled he was so far ahead of everyone else skill wise that he had no great match ups. Unlike the 70's where it was a merry go round that could have added more gloss to otherwise mediocre opponents. The seventies lived off Alis mouth.
Mike would have been avoided like the plague had he emerged during the seventies. For a start Ali went life and death with someone who wasnt as quick, didnt hit as hard, took way more shots, didnt have as good a chin and so on. Norton would have shit his pants at the mention of a contract. Leon Spinks wouldnt be as keen to take the fight as early in his career and Foreman would have been left swinging for thin air while eating shots as he did against Lyle.
