Bryd and Chambers i honestly think are better wins then Haye and i think Walds best wins as well.
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Bryd and Chambers i honestly think are better wins then Haye and i think Walds best wins as well.
better wins in what way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
haye would beat both fighters more times than not
the fight against haye is much more high profile
i think a win against haye for wlad would be much bigger
Not really, actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44you want to put that fight asside because i won the argument about it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongNo I didn't admit you were anywhere close to being right. I said let's put that fight aside and look at any other fights of his as you're so willing to just chalk up Chagaev as some sort of bum.....too bad Chagaev beat Valuev better than the WBA title holder did, that's a shame it makes that title "win" seem hollow especially since Chagaev never LOST the title, he got stripped of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
so you admit you was wrong and i was wright then
thats good man, we are getting somewhere with you finally
o and p.s. risked his titles my big hairy bum :)
As for risking the titles, they were up for grabs...all Chagaev had to do was win. At least Ruslan was man enough to take the fight. The titles will be "up for grabs" on July 2nd....I don't see it as much of a gamble this time either...well not for Wlad.
I'm thinking the WBA title holder will need to bring some suspenders with him, because he's not leaving with a belt.
....And his opponent is? All the WBA title holder has done is talk, the guy hasn't proven himself against 1 single top ranked boxer or power puncher and (despite your opinion) Wlad is (in this current division) the best boxer and power puncher the WBA title holder could hope to face ergo I don't think its a difficult fight for Wlad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky11
If a quiet fighter's only big wins at heavyweight had been vs Monte Barrett, Nicolay Valuev, John Ruiz, and Audley Harrison would he be considered dangerous? Would the fight be a big deal like it is? I doubt it.
No I'm saying there has been no one in the division that you could consider a 'risk' at any strech of the imagination.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWell either you're saying Wlad is just that good or that he's ducking someone.....well we all know he's not ducking anyone .Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Wlad has offered to fight anyone and the only top rated people he hasn't fought have just declined to fight him (namely Valuev, Povetkin, and the WBA title holder though I hope that ends July 2nd). Who else does Wlad need to fight to prove he's great?
There is no one to duck.
Wlad's problem is that if he easily dusts haye off there is NO ONE in the division to give him that defining fight. Vitali has a similar problem although he got to fight Lewis in an epic and the fight probably did define him. Wlad hasn't and probably never will have that. It's just unlucky for him.
Helenius is better than I thought he'd be (so far). He's coming along slowly and fighting decent opposition. Its yet to be seen how good he'll eventually be. We've still yet to see Povetkin reach his potential as well.
I think right now Wlad's career defining fight is the first Sam Peter fight. The reasons being that Wlad's career was on the line, he dealt with adversity, and at the time Sam Peter was seen as "the next champion". Certainly the view of Peter has changed now, but back then that was the most dangerous fight for Wlad and he came through the fire a better fighter, his demons exercised.
I hope this fight is good, but I don't expect it to be.
not not actually, i really did win the argumentQuote:
Originally Posted by NamelessNot really, actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44you want to put that fight asside because i won the argument about it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongNo I didn't admit you were anywhere close to being right. I said let's put that fight aside and look at any other fights of his as you're so willing to just chalk up Chagaev as some sort of bum.....too bad Chagaev beat Valuev better than the WBA title holder did, that's a shame it makes that title "win" seem hollow especially since Chagaev never LOST the title, he got stripped of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
so you admit you was wrong and i was wright then
thats good man, we are getting somewhere with you finally
o and p.s. risked his titles my big hairy bum :)
As for risking the titles, they were up for grabs...all Chagaev had to do was win. At least Ruslan was man enough to take the fight. The titles will be "up for grabs" on July 2nd....I don't see it as much of a gamble this time either...well not for Wlad.
I'm thinking the WBA title holder will need to bring some suspenders with him, because he's not leaving with a belt.
its not hard to get the better of you when it comes top wlad tho
Haye has only been in the HW division for 5 minutes & he's already fighting someone decent. As for the ( IBF/WBO title holder) he's been fighting chubby stiffs for years what's his excuse? When all is said & done & the ( IBF/ WBO title holder ) loses to haye I want ( el cockbong) to think of me! P.s see what I did !
#1 He had a chance to fight Wlad 2 years agoQuote:
Originally Posted by Rocky11
#2 His competition up to this point has been poor even given the state of the division there were better fights out there for him.
Sure, if he wins I'll shed a single tear just for you....would you want me to save it in a jar and mail it to you as well?
did he fight audley harrison too?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong#1 He had a chance to fight Wlad 2 years agoQuote:
Originally Posted by Rocky11
#2 His competition up to this point has been poor even given the state of the division there were better fights out there for him.
Sure, if he wins I'll shed a single tear just for you....would you want me to save it in a jar and mail it to you as well?
I'm sorry, did I mention him?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44did he fight audley harrison too?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong#1 He had a chance to fight Wlad 2 years agoQuote:
Originally Posted by Rocky11
#2 His competition up to this point has been poor even given the state of the division there were better fights out there for him.
Sure, if he wins I'll shed a single tear just for you....would you want me to save it in a jar and mail it to you as well?
I think you are forgetting who originally went out of their way to get this fight .& didn't you say that klits defining fight was sam Peter ? Wow what a fucking super career !p.s can you send your tear in a jar to the following address (1 ko loss klit bum fucker avenue)
Makes me laugh how neither of the klitchkos got in wiv valuev, ok hes a big dumb giant wiv no skill but awkward as hell, fair play 2 haye not many people would of chose 2 box valuev,
Who went out of their way? Did the WBA title holder??? If he did I didn't see it, I mean are cruiserweights GIFTED title shots every day? No, Wlad had all the trash talk he could take and got the fight signed. Wlad did it because Wlad was and still is the Champion....I rest my case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky11
Hey buddy, Valuev was offered shots at Vitali and Wlad and Valuev backed out because he's 7 foot tall 300+ pounds of punk that's owned by Sauerland.
So you didnt see the footage of haye approaching klit demanding a title shot ? Hayes the one that's give in to all the stupid demands set by klit & why? To make this fight ( that he supposedly didn't want ) happen .