Gene Tunney seemed to go the distance a lot.
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Gene Tunney seemed to go the distance a lot.
Gene Tunney won the heavyweight crown with a single right hand in the first round of the Dempsey fight. He walked across the ring and landed a counter right to Dempsey's cheek *(according to plan btw) that Demspey, according to Dempsey, never reevovered from. Gene also KO'd over half the men he fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Yes he did have a good record, he was very well conditioned, fought the same from the first to the last round.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiGene Tunney won the heavyweight crown with a single right hand in the first round of the Dempsey fight. He walked across the ring and landed a counter right to Dempsey's cheek *(according to plan btw) that Demspey, according to Dempsey, never reevovered from. Gene also KO'd over half the men he fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I kind of disagree here; Over 240 fights, the Pep had a Ko ratio of only 26.97%, so let's say 27% (according to Boxrec). I don't think that we can state that 27% is great by any mean. I disagree also with the idea that we have to compare the title fights from the non title fights. We have to consider the whole of his career. Vitali Klitschko has a ko ratio of over 97%, title or not title, that says how much the guy can bang. But when overall, the best you can do is 27%, I hardly see how it could indicate any "pop" at all in the punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiI think the telling stat about Pep and his punching power is the KO percentage in title fights. Against the top guys he was 5/14 or 36% and he lost three of those fights to Saddler. Of his wins he went almost a 50% KO ratio in his title wins. That to me clearly indicates an attitude about punching rather than a capability. In other words he saved his hands for when he needed them. You gotta remember that he fought 230 fights in 19 years. In other words he averaged a fight every month for almost two decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless65 Ko's sounds great but when one have over 200 fights and that his KO ratio turns around 25%, can we really say that he had any KO power? I kind of think that 25% of KO ratio is quite poor. Sure, some like Paulie Malinaggi have even worst KO ratio but then again, if we talk about the "pillow fisted group", I think that Pep belongs to it otherwise, his KO ratio would be way higher than a mere "25"%.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiBzzzzzzzt. But thanks for playing! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
Willie Pep KO'd 65 men. NOBODY can do that if they don't punch. In addition Pep is very unusual in one respect. His KO percentage in title fights is HIGHER than in non-title fights. Willie saved his hands in his stay busy fights, but when he had to in the big ones? Beware!
Great picture!
Also, consider this: among his KOs percentage, many of those did happen against questionable opponents that have been knocked out many times already and who did have quite glass jaw. a few examples:
Ray Coleman: 10-21 knocked out 12 times
Sergio Musquiz: 1-7 knocked out 5 times
Tommy Haden: 12-12 knocked out 4 times
Willy Little: 9-7 knocked out 5 times
Manny Castro: 5-9 knocked out 3 times
Don't get me wrong, the Pep is my all time favorite boxer, he had speed, movement and a defense that only ghosts to possess (and no, i don't mean Pavilk;)), but in term of power, he was quite questionable. Sure, some other boxers have even less power (which says a lot) but PEp with his low KO ratio still belongs to the category of the guys who did lack in power but who could compensate with all his other skills.
NOt the most feathered fisted boxer ever but definitely the most successful and most legendary pillow knuckles of all time. I also remember an interview with Bert Sugar in which he said that Pep was one of the greatest of all time but could not be considered the greatest because, among other things, of his lack of power. Will try ot find it back.
Floyd Mayweather and Joe Galzaghe were good fighters who were feather fisted fighters at the end of their careers because of hand injuries. Neither fighter were able to stop a good fighter at the last weight they fought at.
Paulie Mallinaghi may not be an all time great, but feather-fisted he is. Just like most British Boxers....
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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Yeah that Jimmy Wilde couldn't crack an egg yolk. You have no clue about British boxing or British punchers today or yesterday and by the comments you have made in the last short time has me thinking you live under a bridge. http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...anidripred.gif That is the slow and continuous knowledge of you're intent. Woody Woodpecker as an antagonist is not impressed.
How did this thread get pulled out of the moth-balls? I thought for a minute my bud, Marblehead might be back around. ;)
@ ykdadamaja, Paulie Malignaggi is an Italian American.
BTW, If you believe most British Boxers are feather-fisted you don't know much about boxing or havn't watched much of it.
Marblehead was a great poster. I miss his insights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Just sayin man... ;D
Just saying what? Have you actually watched any British fighters?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
If Pernell Whitaker can be considered "feather fisted" (semantics I know, but I think a clear distinction should be made between Pernell and a true sissy-punching fighter like Willie Pep), then Sweetpea is THE greatest feather fisted fighter of all time.
I think Nicolino Locche deserves mention too.
Indeed, I knew Marble before we both came to this forum, I wish he still posted here.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzMarblehead was a great poster. I miss his insights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Why did he stop he was good. Are you still in contact with him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axIndeed, I knew Marble before we both came to this forum, I wish he still posted here.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzMarblehead was a great poster. I miss his insights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
I watch more SkySPorts than you do, and British fighters- en masse- are feather fisted. Even their ko's are pitter-patter ko's!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axJust saying what? Have you actually watched any British fighters?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
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