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What request?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
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Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
You can't dispute it, and that's why it's a completely bullshit arguement to keep pacroid away from testing and floyd mayweather.
"We have agreed in the Pacquiao camp to unlimited random testing done by a responsible, neutral organization," Arum told Yahoo. "We don't believe USADA is a neutral organization.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyWhat request?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
Tells you all you need to know ;)
I have to be honest. I am now one of those who believe that it is Arum keeping this fight from happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
You can't dispute it, and that's why it's a completely bullshit arguement to keep pacroid away from testing and floyd mayweather.
I know this sounds pretty anal but first off in their negotiations, the request is that of the Mayweather camp. NSAC is the governing authority for the anti-doping testing. I believe the news about Arums comments is his attempt to do future negotiations and public relations damage control due to Michael Konz comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus"We have agreed in the Pacquiao camp to unlimited random testing done by a responsible, neutral organization," Arum told Yahoo. "We don't believe USADA is a neutral organization.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyWhat request?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
Tells you all you need to know ;)
I have to be honest. I am now one of those who believe that it is Arum keeping this fight from happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
You can't dispute it, and that's why it's a completely bullshit arguement to keep pacroid away from testing and floyd mayweather.
I'm not sure what Arum's beef is with USADA but I've pointed out the obvious conflict of interest of using an organization that has everything to gain by using high profile athletes in order to get the attention it needs to show it is leading the fight on Anti-doping. Thus the organization gains more points toward getting their federal grant money renewed. There is also the possibility that that Arum objects to GBP's in its venture to gain control over 'boxing' has personal ties to Oscar. i.e. "travis tygart" is supposedly a golfing buddy of Oscar. If neither of these is Arum's problem is, I am with you.
If you bring in an outside agency to work with NSAC to do the additional requests by the Mayweather camp, there is no issue with political lobbing or personal ties that could promote corruption. Thus Arums term "neutral party".
Meh... Bob shoulda took up Golf then :p
The 'beef' with USADA is simple. They want to test pacquiao's blood.
There won't be ANY organisation deemed 'neutral' the fight ain't gonna happen.
This also raises the interesting question of what happened in the 2nd negotiations & testing no longer being an issue. I mean aside from Koncz saying that they still wanted a 14 day cut off the day after Arum gave this interview, the fact was Arum claimed they'd agreed to all Mayweather's terms, which you would assume meant USADA overseeing the testing. His argument seems to be that because Pacquiao is Filipino, he can't get a fair shake from USADA. As he also clearly hasn't from any of the American refs, judges & commissions he's fought under. :rolleyes:
There's too many vague statements, the thing about who they report to is odd. He says & I quote "USADA tests these two fighters and the Nevada State Athletic Commission is responsible for the fight. So, if one of the fighters is tested dirty, what can happen?"
Seriously?? What should happen if any athlete tests dirty in the build-up to the fight? I'd assume they get tested again & if it is again dirty, the fight is cancelled as surely taking PEDs invalidates the contract.
Also this vague statement about the Olympic Organisation, presumably means he wants WADA to be in charge of testing. Having read up on it, USADA uses the same rulebook, the World Anti-Doping Code that was devised by WADA. This is by & large implemented on a country by country basis, so over here we have the UKAD who test the GB team & footballers from the EPL.
But surely the most obvious thing that makes Arum's point moot is this from WADA's website.
"National Anti-Doping Organizations (NADOs) are responsible for testing national athletes in- and out-of-competition, as well as athletes from other countries competing within that nation’s borders; adjudicating anti-doping rules violations; and anti-doping education."
Guess who that is?
"The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is the national anti-doping organization for the Olympic movement in the United States. The U.S. Congress recognizes USADA as "the official anti-doping agency for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic sport in the United States."
I mean if it takes me 20 minutes to read up on this & for it to be clear, how hard is it for Arum?
This confirms for me what I've long suspected. It is not Manny Pacquiao holding up the fight (because I believe he's in no way afraid) & it is not Floyd Mayweather (ditto).
It's this stupid old cunt.
NEITHER FIGHTER SHOULD TEST DIRTY.
THEY BOTH KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE TESTED SO NEITHER SHOULD HAVE ANYTHING THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE A FAIL IN THEIR SYSTEMS.
It always seems to be pac's team that is worried about failing doesn't it.......
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Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Bob arum had both fighters..he knows floyd will beat pac deep down. All he has to do is agree to the tests..but he cant bribe the olympic commitee like his done to so many in the past..check his history.. Hes a crook.
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Originally Posted by impGo figure. Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Bob arum had both fighters..he knows floyd will beat pac deep down. All he has to do is agree to the tests..but he cant bribe the olympic commitee like his done to so many in the past..check his history.. Hes a crook.
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The thread title is wrong really, because team pacquiao haven't agreed to floyds 'demands' They still won't take the tests, their new excuse being the testing organization. Pathetic.
Oh great, another Pacquiao vs. Mayweather thread, get a life people.
Why don't you do us all a favour and just fuck off and die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by HornfingerWhy don't you do us all a favour and just fuck off and die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
That would make Floyd want to fight him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Whatever.......