Wow i must catch up on this, so Paul Williams got gift decision ? getting a bit tired of these type of decision's i mean Devon Alexander should have 3 losses.
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Wow i must catch up on this, so Paul Williams got gift decision ? getting a bit tired of these type of decision's i mean Devon Alexander should have 3 losses.
Often I guess that's the case. What was unusual here is that sheer visibility of the Lara punches. Williams head was being hurtled all over the place. I don't think things could have been more clear on his side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
First true robbery I've seen in a couple of years.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I'm waiting for the 3:30 replay as I only caught the last half last night. Physically and as far as body language Williams looked like that piñata getting hit repeatedly with the whiffle ball bat by that kid in the Geiko commercial.
I'm also wishing more and more we could return to the days on maybe 1 or 2 guys only on the fight call. Way to many talking heads wagging their tongues just to be heard. I'd be GREAT if only the crowd could be heard.
There's a few things at play here. First of all, most of you (like me) didn't even start watching Williams-Lara until about round 4. Not sure how much I can cry about a decision where I missed a quarter of the fight.
And there was that little voice inside me during the mid-rounds where it seemed Lara was coasting. His left hands were so clear, the announcing team fearing for PW's life, meanwhile--I thought Williams snuck in a few of those rounds amidst all the hoopla going against him. But I remember thinking "Lara's giving them a chance to screw him by laying back."
With that said, I struggle to find more than a small handful of rounds where Williams' proletariat offerings usurped the clean punching of Lara. Giving Williams 116 points is criminal.
Is it robbery? I dunno. But when the big-name guy wins like this, it raises my BS alert meter. It's like the big-name guy wins if you can even make the most remote case that he won. There's too much burden of the proof on the unsung fighter. You shouldn't have to whitewash a guy to get a W. And having the cards so heavily stacked in the favor of house fighters is plain wrong, just from a sporting point of view.
The fact that supposedly objective arbiters EXCLUSIVELY give the benefit of the doubt to the house fighter, the bigger name guy, the more ballyhooed prospect has to be bullshit. It just doesn't accidentally shake out that way 100% of the time. If I saw the unsung foreigner get a break once in a while, I wouldn't complain. Or if they gave the 2-12-2 pug the decision he deserves against the 7-0 prospect one out of 1000 times, I'd be cool with it.
But when judges are in apparent lock-step with the wishes of promoters and managers, it begins to stink. ANd that's what was at play last night.
Ah, it feels like just like week I was watching an HBO boxing card in which a lesser known prospect was robbed on the score cards for a more prominent name, which happened to be coming off a loss. Oh, wait... :o
So Lara has to score a shutout going off tonight? Or stop him, which certainly looked a possibility. I know people jump on the HBO guys, but I really don't think they were wrong about the scoring or damage. Probably about the dangers to P-Will's life (pot kettle black Roy??), which I felt he'd somehow make it through, but it was so one-sided it was mad. I had it 10-2 & neither rounds I gave to Williams were ones I thought were definitely his. Definitely my robbery of the year (did you ever post the results last year CFH you useless liberal bastard?).Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I completely agree with this. I'm also wondering what fight Maidana was robbed in :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
I thought Matthysse won against Judah & lost to Alexander & Kotelnik just nicked it in St. Louis. However, I could see all of those going to the eventual winner & in one case I clearly did.
Tonight was a flat out disgrace & I can't believe there is no more anger over this. It's been a while since I heard the scorecards & genuinely believed for a short while that the announcer has accidentally read out the wrong guy.
Sorry but how the fuck did you have Matthysse WINNING against Judah and LOSING to Alexander ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI completely agree with this. I'm also wondering what fight Maidana was robbed in :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
I thought Matthysse won against Judah & lost to Alexander & Kotelnik just nicked it in St. Louis. However, I could see all of those going to the eventual winner & in one case I clearly did.
Tonight was a flat out disgrace & I can't believe there is no more anger over this. It's been a while since I heard the scorecards & genuinely believed for a short while that the announcer has accidentally read out the wrong guy.
He put on a much more impressive performance against Alexander than he did against Judah.
And in my opinion if a fight is close in rounds, but still a CLEAR victory for one fighter and he doesn't get the decision, then its still a robbery.
If a guy clearly wins 7 rounds and there is no doubt about it, no bickering over those 7, and the judges end up giving it to the other guy, especially with a knockdown involved, then that is still a robbery.
Check out that thread & you can read my scorecard :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkSorry but how the fuck did you have Matthysse WINNING against Judah and LOSING to Alexander ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI completely agree with this. I'm also wondering what fight Maidana was robbed in :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
I thought Matthysse won against Judah & lost to Alexander & Kotelnik just nicked it in St. Louis. However, I could see all of those going to the eventual winner & in one case I clearly did.
Tonight was a flat out disgrace & I can't believe there is no more anger over this. It's been a while since I heard the scorecards & genuinely believed for a short while that the announcer has accidentally read out the wrong guy.
He put on a much more impressive performance against Alexander than he did against Judah.
And in my opinion if a fight is close in rounds, but still a CLEAR victory for one fighter and he doesn't get the decision, then its still a robbery.
If a guy clearly wins 7 rounds and there is no doubt about it, no bickering over those 7, and the judges end up giving it to the other guy, especially with a knockdown involved, then that is still a robbery.
Maybe you felt he was more impressive against Alexander, but I felt they were similar performances (Matthysse not doing enough to quite take rounds for me early & mid) & in the Judah fight, he had two extra rounds to play with, which allowed him to pull out the win for me.
All those fights mentioned had enough close rounds that it could be disputed. I know that you're one of those who sees robberies every week, so you obviously won't agree with it ;D
*Having slept, I came back to this & I will say I agree that if one fighter CLEARLY wins 7 rounds it's a robbery. However, in all those cases mentioned, I think that their were disputable rounds. A fight that I remember thinking one guy clearly won 7 rounds was the first Funeka-Guzman fight.
Maybe not a robbery but i really fail to see how Devon Alexander could of won, he was knocked down. Was hurt the most through the entire fight, he wasn't the aggressor, and he was outworked by the stronger fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinCheck out that thread & you can read my scorecard :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkSorry but how the fuck did you have Matthysse WINNING against Judah and LOSING to Alexander ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI completely agree with this. I'm also wondering what fight Maidana was robbed in :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
I thought Matthysse won against Judah & lost to Alexander & Kotelnik just nicked it in St. Louis. However, I could see all of those going to the eventual winner & in one case I clearly did.
Tonight was a flat out disgrace & I can't believe there is no more anger over this. It's been a while since I heard the scorecards & genuinely believed for a short while that the announcer has accidentally read out the wrong guy.
He put on a much more impressive performance against Alexander than he did against Judah.
And in my opinion if a fight is close in rounds, but still a CLEAR victory for one fighter and he doesn't get the decision, then its still a robbery.
If a guy clearly wins 7 rounds and there is no doubt about it, no bickering over those 7, and the judges end up giving it to the other guy, especially with a knockdown involved, then that is still a robbery.
Maybe you felt he was more impressive against Alexander, but I felt they were similar performances (Matthysse not doing enough to quite take rounds for me early & mid) & in the Judah fight, he had two extra rounds to play with, which allowed him to pull out the win for me.
All those fights mentioned had enough close rounds that it could be disputed. I know that you're one of those who sees robberies every week, so you obviously won't agree with it ;D
Devon Alexander pretty much lost almost every single round after the 4th round, including a knockdown against him.
Like I said, I'm not really planning to discuss that fight, I'm too busy being pissed off about this one. I was in the US watching it with no access to boxing sites & I saw it on 3 separate occasions & had it the same each time. I know my scorecard was 95-94 Alexander, but offhand can't remember the exact rounds. I'd also have had no issue with Matthysse winning, I wanted him to.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBMaybe not a robbery but i really fail to see how Devon Alexander could of won, he was knocked down. Was hurt the most through the entire fight, he wasn't the aggressor, and he was outworked by the stronger fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinCheck out that thread & you can read my scorecard :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkSorry but how the fuck did you have Matthysse WINNING against Judah and LOSING to Alexander ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI completely agree with this. I'm also wondering what fight Maidana was robbed in :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
I thought Matthysse won against Judah & lost to Alexander & Kotelnik just nicked it in St. Louis. However, I could see all of those going to the eventual winner & in one case I clearly did.
Tonight was a flat out disgrace & I can't believe there is no more anger over this. It's been a while since I heard the scorecards & genuinely believed for a short while that the announcer has accidentally read out the wrong guy.
He put on a much more impressive performance against Alexander than he did against Judah.
And in my opinion if a fight is close in rounds, but still a CLEAR victory for one fighter and he doesn't get the decision, then its still a robbery.
If a guy clearly wins 7 rounds and there is no doubt about it, no bickering over those 7, and the judges end up giving it to the other guy, especially with a knockdown involved, then that is still a robbery.
Maybe you felt he was more impressive against Alexander, but I felt they were similar performances (Matthysse not doing enough to quite take rounds for me early & mid) & in the Judah fight, he had two extra rounds to play with, which allowed him to pull out the win for me.
All those fights mentioned had enough close rounds that it could be disputed. I know that you're one of those who sees robberies every week, so you obviously won't agree with it ;D
Devon Alexander pretty much lost almost every single round after the 4th round, including a knockdown against him.
I've been way behind on boxing, i can't wait to see the Paul Williams one. Because sometime's people can get a bit too excited over a decision and call it a robbery, but pretty much everyone on here is saying the samething. Wow it seems like that KO has ruined him.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinLike I said, I'm not really planning to discuss that fight, I'm too busy being pissed off about this one. I was in the US watching it with no access to boxing sites & I saw it on 3 separate occasions & had it the same each time. I know my scorecard was 95-94 Alexander, but offhand can't remember the exact rounds. I'd also have had no issue with Matthysse winning, I wanted him to.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBMaybe not a robbery but i really fail to see how Devon Alexander could of won, he was knocked down. Was hurt the most through the entire fight, he wasn't the aggressor, and he was outworked by the stronger fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinCheck out that thread & you can read my scorecard :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkSorry but how the fuck did you have Matthysse WINNING against Judah and LOSING to Alexander ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI completely agree with this. I'm also wondering what fight Maidana was robbed in :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
I thought Matthysse won against Judah & lost to Alexander & Kotelnik just nicked it in St. Louis. However, I could see all of those going to the eventual winner & in one case I clearly did.
Tonight was a flat out disgrace & I can't believe there is no more anger over this. It's been a while since I heard the scorecards & genuinely believed for a short while that the announcer has accidentally read out the wrong guy.
He put on a much more impressive performance against Alexander than he did against Judah.
And in my opinion if a fight is close in rounds, but still a CLEAR victory for one fighter and he doesn't get the decision, then its still a robbery.
If a guy clearly wins 7 rounds and there is no doubt about it, no bickering over those 7, and the judges end up giving it to the other guy, especially with a knockdown involved, then that is still a robbery.
Maybe you felt he was more impressive against Alexander, but I felt they were similar performances (Matthysse not doing enough to quite take rounds for me early & mid) & in the Judah fight, he had two extra rounds to play with, which allowed him to pull out the win for me.
All those fights mentioned had enough close rounds that it could be disputed. I know that you're one of those who sees robberies every week, so you obviously won't agree with it ;D
Devon Alexander pretty much lost almost every single round after the 4th round, including a knockdown against him.
Actually watching the fight back tonight with the sound off and in slow motion I can see why the judges gave it to Williams.
I had him winning 7 rounds, they were close and Lara's rounds were more impressive but when you total them up they got the right man imo.
There were one or two rounds where I initially though Lara had won them, but in these I decided to watch them frame by frame both running forwards and backwards and when you run it in slow motion, backwards, frame by frame William's seems to be taking less shots than I though originally. I found in those rounds most of the punches that I had thought were landing flush when replayed backwards actually go away from his face.
So in all a very good call by the judges, in what was admiteddly a tought fight to score.
By any chance did you pay attention to which guy's hands looked faster in super slow mo?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo