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Merchant doesn't have it in for Floyd as such, but just speaks the truth. If he asks Floyd why he was boring it was because he was boring. If he asks why he is ducking Pac it is because he is ducking Pac. Merchant is the truth. Yes, he can be cantankerous, but he is articulate and a blessing to this sport. Boxing will be so much poorer without Larry Merchant and I will miss him far more than I ever miss an inarticulate, question avoiding, fight spoiler like Floyd Mayweather.
Floyd was bang out of order this weekend and Merchant had barely challenged him on anything. And that's not even talking about the foul sucker punch. Floyd needs to get a grip. I felt really sorry for Merchant and almost whooped for joy when he handled it so well and gave Floyd the scolding he deserved. Who else at 80 could have comeback and said that to Floyd? What a legend!
I love Merchant and he is one of my elder icons like Chomsky. I want them to be immortal like the Queen, though I actually want her to die.
its also merchants job to get a good interview
He tries and on the whole is successful. He cuts to the chase and wants fighters to answer rather than evade and Floyd traditionally evades.
yeah he does but he would play on the truth to get a better interview
whether he thought mayweather was right or wrong he would focus on the controversy of it to try and get the emotions running to get a more entertaining interview (and it worked)
so i dunno whether you could say he speaks the truth
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Floyd wasn't aggressive, just angry! If he was aggressive he would have knocked the old fart the fuck out! Did he? No, he just told Larry what he thought of him.
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Merchant doesn't have it in for Floyd as such, but just speaks the truth. If he asks Floyd why he was boring it was because he was boring. If he asks why he is ducking Pac it is because he is ducking Pac. Merchant is the truth. Yes, he can be cantankerous, but he is articulate and a blessing to this sport. Boxing will be so much poorer without Larry Merchant and I will miss him far more than I ever miss an inarticulate, question avoiding, fight spoiler like Floyd Mayweather.
Floyd was bang out of order this weekend and Merchant had barely challenged him on anything. And that's not even talking about the foul sucker punch. Floyd needs to get a grip. I felt really sorry for Merchant and almost whooped for joy when he handled it so well and gave Floyd the scolding he deserved. Who else at 80 could have comeback and said that to Floyd? What a legend!
I love Merchant and he is one of my elder icons like Chomsky. I want them to be immortal like the Queen, though I actually want her to die.
I would like to once again point out the difference between Truth and Opinion.
I am assuming that Larry's views match yours thus your confusing of the two. :p
They are and so me and Larry are part of the zeitgeist in modern boxing. The boos were from the arena and the boards and the flipflopping between huggers and none huggers. To a degree we respresent the Larry is cool brigade.
It's only Flomos that really see no issue with what Floyd did.
Well what do you call those who only seem to focus on what Floyd did. It's not like this event happened in a vacuum. There is cause and effect. To me it doesn't make sense to look at one thing without looking at the other.
My personal opinion is that the whole thing shouldn't have happened, and I honestly have a hard time being mad at Mayweather all things considered. On one hand, it wasn't the best choice to make, but on the other hand,
I suppose he was pretty pissed off. And as human beings, I think we can all relate to having done things in the heat of the moment that we would not have done with a cooler head.
That was nothing to do with anger. Floyd is always a dick. There are literally hundreds of examples.
The two are not mutually exclusive you know. You can be both angry and a dick at the same time ;D
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They are and so me and Larry are part of the zeitgeist in modern boxing. The boos were from the arena and the boards and the flipflopping between huggers and none huggers. To a degree we respresent the Larry is cool brigade. It's only Flomos that really see no issue with what Floyd did.
I genuinely have no idea what your post means. Could you repeat it again in English please?
Basically that me and Larry are right and I think this captures the majority of views. Larry was right in calling out FLoyd, otherwise a controversial moment would have been given no coverage.
Thanks Miles - I agree that Floyd was out of order in his response and even if angry should have refrained from profanity. Merchant should have kept his mouth shut though as he made himself look a right idiot by threatening to kick floyd's ass 50 years ago. He only did that because he knew that his age protected him from any physical consequences of his actions.
The post here that I really disagree with is Bilbo's idiotic claim that Floyd should be banned from boxing and prosecuted in court for threatening behaviour. Ironically, by acting so disproportionately because of his anger he is acting exactly like Floyd did, which makes me laugh as I can guess how much he'll love being told that his behaviour is identical to that of a man he holds in such high esteem.
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They are and so me and Larry are part of the zeitgeist in modern boxing. The boos were from the arena and the boards and the flipflopping between huggers and none huggers. To a degree we respresent the Larry is cool brigade. It's only Flomos that really see no issue with what Floyd did.
I genuinely have no idea what your post means. Could you repeat it again in English please?
Basically that me and Larry are right and I think this captures the majority of views. Larry was right in calling out FLoyd, otherwise a controversial moment would have been given no coverage.
Thanks Miles - I agree that Floyd was out of order in his response and even if angry should have refrained from profanity. Merchant should have kept his mouth shut though as he made himself look a right idiot by threatening to kick floyd's ass 50 years ago. He only did that because he knew that his age protected him from any physical consequences of his actions.
The post here that I really disagree with is Bilbo's idiotic claim that Floyd should be banned from boxing and prosecuted in court for threatening behaviour. Ironically, by acting so disproportionately because of his anger he is acting exactly like Floyd did, which makes me laugh as I can guess how much he'll love being told that his behaviour is identical to that of a man he holds in such high esteem.
Chris Arreola got banned from boxing for six months for this. You tell who me acted worse?
Floyd is a role model for millions of youngsters, especially black youth's. He should be made an example of to show that kind of behaviour is not acceptable for anybody.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTPUd...84D0D4F70E1E34
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I think the whole thing was staged, with that guy nodding at Floyd and suddenly Floyd going into that tirade.
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Merchant doesn't have it in for Floyd as such, but just speaks the truth. If he asks Floyd why he was boring it was because he was boring. If he asks why he is ducking Pac it is because he is ducking Pac. Merchant is the truth. Yes, he can be cantankerous, but he is articulate and a blessing to this sport. Boxing will be so much poorer without Larry Merchant and I will miss him far more than I ever miss an inarticulate, question avoiding, fight spoiler like Floyd Mayweather.
Floyd was bang out of order this weekend and Merchant had barely challenged him on anything. And that's not even talking about the foul sucker punch. Floyd needs to get a grip. I felt really sorry for Merchant and almost whooped for joy when he handled it so well and gave Floyd the scolding he deserved. Who else at 80 could have comeback and said that to Floyd? What a legend!
I love Merchant and he is one of my elder icons like Chomsky. I want them to be immortal like the Queen, though I actually want her to die.
I would like to once again point out the difference between Truth and Opinion.
I am assuming that Larry's views match yours thus your confusing of the two. :p
They are and so me and Larry are part of the zeitgeist in modern boxing. The boos were from the arena and the boards and the flipflopping between huggers and none huggers. To a degree we respresent the Larry is cool brigade.
It's only Flomos that really see no issue with what Floyd did.
Well what do you call those who only seem to focus on what Floyd did. It's not like this event happened in a vacuum. There is cause and effect. To me it doesn't make sense to look at one thing without looking at the other.
My personal opinion is that the whole thing shouldn't have happened, and I honestly have a hard time being mad at Mayweather all things considered. On one hand, it wasn't the best choice to make, but on the other hand,
I suppose he was pretty pissed off. And as human beings, I think we can all relate to having done things in the heat of the moment that we would not have done with a cooler head.
That was nothing to do with anger. Floyd is always a dick. There are literally hundreds of examples.
Have you ever met him?
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Larry Merchant was doing his job. Mayweather didn't like the questions being asked so he got in his face shouting curses. Its the kind of thing mindless thugs do which sum's up Floyd. He's a prick.
His in your face posture and cursing was threatening. What sort of message does this give out?
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They are and so me and Larry are part of the zeitgeist in modern boxing. The boos were from the arena and the boards and the flipflopping between huggers and none huggers. To a degree we respresent the Larry is cool brigade. It's only Flomos that really see no issue with what Floyd did.
I genuinely have no idea what your post means. Could you repeat it again in English please?
Basically that me and Larry are right and I think this captures the majority of views. Larry was right in calling out FLoyd, otherwise a controversial moment would have been given no coverage.
Thanks Miles - I agree that Floyd was out of order in his response and even if angry should have refrained from profanity. Merchant should have kept his mouth shut though as he made himself look a right idiot by threatening to kick floyd's ass 50 years ago. He only did that because he knew that his age protected him from any physical consequences of his actions.
The post here that I really disagree with is Bilbo's idiotic claim that Floyd should be banned from boxing and prosecuted in court for threatening behaviour. Ironically, by acting so disproportionately because of his anger he is acting exactly like Floyd did, which makes me laugh as I can guess how much he'll love being told that his behaviour is identical to that of a man he holds in such high esteem.
Chris Arreola got banned from boxing for six months for this. You tell who me acted worse?
Floyd is a role model for millions of youngsters, especially black youth's. He should be made an example of to show that kind of behaviour is not acceptable for anybody.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTPUdzCMyVc&feature=results_main&playnext= 1&list=PLF084D0D4F70E1E34
But that wasn't what you said at the beginning was it? You said (and I quote): "Floyd should be in court for what he did imo." despite no legal offence having been committed. Just because Mayweather is a role model that doesn't mean that you can make up laws that are applicable to him and nobody else. You over-reacted mate, don't worry about it, it could happen to anybody.
It happened to Mayweather on Saturday night. he over-reacted, just like you did here. The only difference was that he over-reacted in the heat of the moment just after having won a fight and being criticised by someone who has long been on his case whereas you over-reacted on a bulletin board two days after the event with no pressure on you.
Just like Mayweather though, you refuse to admit that you were wrong. Are you sure you're not related?
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You know what Bilbo - I'm getting on your case a bit and I'm sorry. I can see where you are coming from and I do agree that Mayweather's behaviour was pretty unedifying.
However, it does seem that he is held to a higher standard by a lot of people on here where everything he does is wrong and it irritates me to see someone effectively post that it is right for Arreola to be banned for 6 months but that Mayweather should go to prison. The only reason they (you) say that is because its Mayweather and you hate him.
I'll leave it there.
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fact is larry has never given floyd his due and has been outwardly hostile to him in post fight interviews and in his commentary during fights.
larry seems to pride himself on being a no bullshit kind of commentator, who delights in voicing his opinions rather than remaining an unbiased journalist. he gives people alot of shit when he feels he's justified doing so, regardless of whether he's crossing the line of a professional journalist.
so whats wrong with floyd saying that he's gonna leave the interview and let merchant talk to ortiz? floyd only blows up after merchant makes some stupid face at him, deliberately designed to provoke floyd. floyd takes the bait, and why not... merchant is an over the hill drunk who makes little sense anymore and is only interested in pushing his personal agenda. larry's the one who threatened floyd not the other way around. floyd was just reacting to the years of insults that merchant has thrown his way in post fight interviews.
the whole hbo crew that night were incompetent in their commentary. lampley and merchant should go for sure as they have nothing relevant to say. stewart was okay, just okay.
out with the old hbo. you look like fools with those old drunk wind bags hosting your fights. good on floyd for standing up to merchant.
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I havn't read through the thread, I'll do that in a bit.
I was upset that Mayweather tried to shout down an 80 year old man. I was afraid Merchant would go home and suffer a heart attack.
What Mayweather did to Ortiz didn't bother me at all. Ortiz played dirty with a man who brought 50 Cent along to carry his belts and wonders why he got struck down in a less than honorable fashion? He got what he deserved.
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You know what Bilbo - I'm getting on your case a bit and I'm sorry. I can see where you are coming from and I do agree that Mayweather's behaviour was pretty unedifying.
However, it does seem that he is held to a higher standard by a lot of people on here where everything he does is wrong and it irritates me to see someone effectively post that it is right for Arreola to be banned for 6 months but that Mayweather should go to prison. The only reason they (you) say that is because its Mayweather and you hate him.
I'll leave it there.
Actually I'm a Floyd fan, I just think he is a dick at times.
He should be in court. I still stand by that. It's not an over reaction. What if Merchant had a heart attack?
A quick google trawl, it happens all the time.
Pensioner dies from heart attack after 'hedge argument' - Home News, UK - The Independent
Road rage leads to fatal heart attack / After argument and loss of his car keys, Woodside man walks home -- and dies - SFGate
Taxi driver dies of heart attack after bust-up with teenagers | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk
BBC News - Northampton car park row death man died of heart attack
Detectives have charged two people after a man died following an argument as he walked his dog. | This is Leicestershire
There are just a few seperate stories, all of them involved much younger than Larry Merchant.
I truly found it, and still do, absolutely sickening.
Floyd is also currently on eight seperate charges of domestic violence. If that was a normal guy in public on that many charges acting that way they absolutely would be in court.
One of the veteran posters here got sent down for a few months after arguing in the street with his girlfriend.
As I said above Arreola got a six month boxing ban for swearing in a friendly interview.
He should, and believe will, get a large fine, and a ban for this. It's not idiotic or over the top, it's absolutely right. He's a role model to millions, he should be made an example of.
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They are and so me and Larry are part of the zeitgeist in modern boxing. The boos were from the arena and the boards and the flipflopping between huggers and none huggers. To a degree we respresent the Larry is cool brigade. It's only Flomos that really see no issue with what Floyd did.
I genuinely have no idea what your post means. Could you repeat it again in English please?
Basically that me and Larry are right and I think this captures the majority of views. Larry was right in calling out FLoyd, otherwise a controversial moment would have been given no coverage.
Thanks Miles - I agree that Floyd was out of order in his response and even if angry should have refrained from profanity. Merchant should have kept his mouth shut though as he made himself look a right idiot by threatening to kick floyd's ass 50 years ago. He only did that because he knew that his age protected him from any physical consequences of his actions.
The post here that I really disagree with is Bilbo's idiotic claim that Floyd should be banned from boxing and prosecuted in court for threatening behaviour. Ironically, by acting so disproportionately because of his anger he is acting exactly like Floyd did, which makes me laugh as I can guess how much he'll love being told that his behaviour is identical to that of a man he holds in such high esteem.
Chris Arreola got banned from boxing for six months for this. You tell who me acted worse?
Floyd is a role model for millions of youngsters, especially black youth's. He should be made an example of to show that kind of behaviour is not acceptable for anybody.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTPUdzCMyVc&feature=results_main&playnext= 1&list=PLF084D0D4F70E1E34
Unfortunately Arreola couldnt sell out a school gymnasium and Mayweather is the alltime PPV king! I dont agree with Floyd at all on this but if there is no recourse for his actions it will just be another case of double standard.
What I find to be the funniest is how people call Floyd a 2 bit suckerpuncher because he retaliated and fairly hit Ortiz when fight resumed but you give Ortiz victim status. Floyd tells Larry the truth, You dont give me a fair shake you never do! which he is correct than takes a cheap shot by cussing at him, Larry retorts by saying if I was 50 years younger I would kick your a$$!
Lets compare one more time, Ortiz takes a cheap headbutt at Floyd, Floyd lowblows Larry Verbally. Larry reacts by threatening Floyd if he was 50 years younger.
So Floyd is a jerk for retaliating to Ortiz and Larry is cool for threatening Floyd and escalating the argument?
Again I dont condone berating Larry but I wont laud Larry for threatening Floyd. After all isin't Larry supposed to be a classy old mature chap who has a crown of wisdom???
