Would fighters like Bruno,Shavers,Norton,Ruddock be Champ today?

I'm prob going to get laughed out of town but I think the Klits lose to all of them. These guys have no big wins Haye is Wlads best win and Haye is Average, Peter Is Vitali's and he is another average fighter Vitali lost the generational hand over fight against Lewis.

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Originally Posted by erics44

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I really don't see how any of the fighters listed would be title holders or champions now. Shavers could be cruiserweight champ, but his cardio and chin were so poor.

Ken Norton would get blasted by Vitali and he would do well vs Wlad because although Norton was strong and he used that strength vs Ali and Holmes, Wlad is just as strong if not stronger and has been known to bully his opponents into range.

The other guys were just not as consistent.

Ron Lyle may have had a shot vs a younger Wladimir who was more willing to trade, I see Ron Lyle being able to pull off a Brewster/Purrity type upset if there would be one person who could, but even then it would be quite a long shot.

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apart from Bruno obviously

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Bruno had power, but you need more than that to beat Wlad.

Piye, yes...that's fucking ridiculous

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Because he had some good performances, he almost stopped Larry Holmes. Could of won a decision vs Muhammad Ali, and stopped Ken Norton, Jimmy Young, both very good fighters.

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He landed his huge missle right hand against Larry, but pretty much lost every round other than that.

His fight agaisnt Muhammad Ali was probably the best he's EVER been, hardest he ever trained, best shape he was ever in, and I still say Muhammad beat him clearly, and we're talking about a well passed it Ali.

He had the power to beat anyone on any given night but I think he's overrated as hell. People remember him beating on an old Ali and dropping Holmes, but no one remembers the Quarry/Mercado/Cobb/Lyle fights where he showed absolutely no stamina, heart or chin. There was a good reason he never won a title.

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Well Earnie Shavers was past his best against Mercado, Cobb, so i don't hold them fights against him too much. He got caught cold against Jerry Quarry could happen to anyone, and the fight with Ron Lyle was a Lyle/Foreman type war. Could of gone either way again no shame in losing to Ron Lyle.

You still can't deny his performances against Young, Holmes 2, Ali, Norton, Ellis, yes he was limited but far worse Heavyweight's have won world titles. And Earnie Shavers would of been champion in any other era IMO.

Is this a joke about Bruno or something i mean guy could not even make a defence and he the best ever. I think it must be a brit thing that i am not getting form you eric anyhow think the brothers win it.

IM not sure about Bruno but Shavers, Norton and Ruddock could have been titleholders.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Bruno had power, but you need more than that to beat Wlad.

Piye, yes...that's fucking ridiculous

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Bruno was/is the best heavyweight in history

Wlad woldnt last a round or 2. FACT!

I've been watching some of the lost generation of Heavyweight's from the 80's, and guys like Page, Witherspoon, Thomas, in there primes. Had much better talent than the Klitschko's IMO, prime for prime if they were in shape i have no doubt they would of beaten the Klitschko's.

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I've been watching some of the lost generation of Heavyweight's from the 80's, and guys like Page, Witherspoon, Thomas, in there primes. Had much better talent than the Klitschko's IMO, prime for prime if they were in shape i have no doubt they would of beaten the Klitschko's.

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The Klitschko's would have had no trouble with any of the fighters you mentioned. Witherspoon? Really???

I say Greg, Pinklon, and Tim ALL smoke the Klitschkos.

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I've been watching some of the lost generation of Heavyweight's from the 80's, and guys like Page, Witherspoon, Thomas, in there primes. Had much better talent than the Klitschko's IMO, prime for prime if they were in shape i have no doubt they would of beaten the Klitschko's.

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The Klitschko's would have had no trouble with any of the fighters you mentioned. Witherspoon? Really???

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You need to watch some of those guys in there prime Lyle, especially Tim Witherspoon who at his best was a better version of Ken Norton. Greg Page fought alot like Muhammad Ali but not as good obviously, and Pinklon Thomas had one of the finest jabs in Heavyweight history. Plus they were a good size aswell 6'3.

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I say Greg, Pinklon, and Tim ALL smoke the Klitschkos.

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Only thing Greg and Pinklon would have smoked are the Clit's cocks.. They aint smoking nothing inside that ring..

Tim Witherspoon on his best day could have competed but i doubt he wins..

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I say Greg, Pinklon, and Tim ALL smoke the Klitschkos.

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And Bruno obviously

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I've been watching some of the lost generation of Heavyweight's from the 80's, and guys like Page, Witherspoon, Thomas, in there primes. Had much better talent than the Klitschko's IMO, prime for prime if they were in shape i have no doubt they would of beaten the Klitschko's.

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The Klitschko's would have had no trouble with any of the fighters you mentioned. Witherspoon? Really???

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You need to watch some of those guys in there prime Lyle, especially Tim Witherspoon who at his best was a better version of Ken Norton. Greg Page fought alot like Muhammad Ali but not as good obviously, and Pinklon Thomas had one of the finest jabs in Heavyweight history. Plus they were a good size aswell 6'3.

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6'3 or not it doesn't matter, the Klitschko's are GREAT heavyweights. Ken Norton was like Andrew Golota, he could BOX with anyone but get a big banger in there and he was toast! Witherspoon fought Holmes well enough but other than that he was NOT impressive. As for Greg Page, you know who else tried to fight like Ali...Larry Donald...a guy that Vitali had 0 trouble with.

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Originally Posted by erics44

Bruno is the best HW ever to have lived if it was only him and Tye Fields around

the other three are no better than the rest of the crop we have today and it would be exactly the same outcome as the klits last 20 or what ever fights

shavers wouldbnt last a couple or three rounds with either

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I added the part you left off by mistake

you mean the Klits' CLITS, not cocks.