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I dunno when people say "Look, muscle isn't the same as losing fat" - Although this is true, look at the toll it took on Fatton?
Sure, he did it more often than Toney where as he was content just being a fat heavyweight all the time but still..we don't know how quickly he lost the weight or what methods he has been using. If he's drained himself, he's fucked.
If he is able to outmaneuver Lebedev its going to be a long shameful night for the Russian.
I ownder if it was the humbling in the octagon that convinced James to take sport seriously again. He always had fast hands but if he has quick feet aswel he will be a hard guy to beat. We know he has a huge edge in class already so the only question is as someone else already mentioned has he lost the wieght sensibly or are we going to see and old weight drained man on Saturday.
here's a link to some toney pics from moscow.
Photos: James Toney, Slimmed Down, Mingles in Moscow - Boxing News
The Hatton comparison doesnt work. Hatton was ripped at the weight, Toney sure as fuck wont be. Sure he wont be a fat slob now but ripped he certainly aint. This is a guy who used to fight at 160 remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
It can be a reality as long as Buddy keeps beating James to the dinner table as it appears.
I could understand all this apprehensive talk IF Toney were fighting someone like Steve Cunningham, David Haye, Thomas Adamek, or Tarver at cruiser.
But, he's NOT.
He's fighting Dennis Lebedev, who is about on par with Danny Green, maybe not even that good.
Toney should be fine I think. He better let his hands go tho or he could get outworked, def not in any danger of being hurt or stopped.
Don't forget that Lebedev went tooth and nails with Marco Huck (the number one ranked cruiserweight) losing a split decision that I frankly thought could have gone either way. Lebedev is better than Danny Green. Come on. He's much better than Danny Green. Out of the current cruiserweights, he should be ranked behind Cunningham (although I've seen a decline in Cunningham recently) and Huck clearly, and maybe behind Tarver, maybe not, and above Wlod and Green. Now all that said, I pretty much consider Lebedev an one-handed fighter - just a southpaw with a huge left hand. Toney may be able to neutralize that and win, but a fight is 12 rounds and Lebedev has gone 12 rounds twice recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I just hope he puts on a good performance, I'd like to see him make some noise to end out his career, a bit of redemption for the steroids & weight issues
Until the last couple years I'd never heard of Marco Huck, and I've never seen him fight on American TV or period. He may very well be the #1 cruiser, but thats with Adamek and Haye outta the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratDon't forget that Lebedev went tooth and nails with Marco Huck (the number one ranked cruiserweight) losing a split decision that I frankly thought could have gone either way. Lebedev is better than Danny Green. Come on. He's much better than Danny Green. Out of the current cruiserweights, he should be ranked behind Cunningham (although I've seen a decline in Cunningham recently) and Huck clearly, and maybe behind Tarver, maybe not, and above Wlod and Green. Now all that said, I pretty much consider Lebedev an one-handed fighter - just a southpaw with a huge left hand. Toney may be able to neutralize that and win, but a fight is 12 rounds and Lebedev has gone 12 rounds twice recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
His name makes me think of Mighty Mo and Mark Hunt from MMA. ;D
Lebedev is decent & I don't think Toney will have a completely easy time of it. But if Toney has a smidge of anything left he should be able to handle himQuote:
Originally Posted by HulkUntil the last couple years I'd never heard of Marco Huck, and I've never seen him fight on American TV or period. He may very well be the #1 cruiser, but thats with Adamek and Haye outta the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratDon't forget that Lebedev went tooth and nails with Marco Huck (the number one ranked cruiserweight) losing a split decision that I frankly thought could have gone either way. Lebedev is better than Danny Green. Come on. He's much better than Danny Green. Out of the current cruiserweights, he should be ranked behind Cunningham (although I've seen a decline in Cunningham recently) and Huck clearly, and maybe behind Tarver, maybe not, and above Wlod and Green. Now all that said, I pretty much consider Lebedev an one-handed fighter - just a southpaw with a huge left hand. Toney may be able to neutralize that and win, but a fight is 12 rounds and Lebedev has gone 12 rounds twice recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
His name makes me think of Mighty Mo and Mark Hunt from MMA. ;D