Re: Who wins? Khan now or the Hatton that beat Malignaggi?
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I chose a slightly shopworn Hatton because I think prime Hatton flat out slaughters Amir Khan. A brutal stoppage in 6. Hacking to the body and then a knockout to the head.
I second this as well, Hatton at his best was a hell of a pressure fighter, it took Mayweather a good 5 or 6 rounds to really soften him up and start to pull away. I just don't see anything Khan has that would have kept Ricky's head off his chest for however long it lasted. People are really underrating Ricky to make out like Khan has an outright speed advantage, his hands are faster but footspeed is close and Hatton had a lot more method to his approach. Khan still has yet to show any infighting skills really, I don't see how this would even be much of a fight tbh.
I think people are over-estimating Hatton to be honest. At his best he was still an inconsistent fighter. For every Tszyu performance, there was a Pedersen performance, or for every Castillo performance, there was a Collazo performance.
At his best, Hatton was very good against fighters who threw one punch at a time. But he has never excelled against fighters with fast hands who throw punches in bunches. Infact, the 3 who he has fought have either knocked him out or nearly knocked him out. Granted you have Pacquiao and Mayweather in there, but the manner of the Pacquiao loss suggests that he is far too open to excel against this kind of fighter.
Warren kept him away from this type of fighter for a reason.
Ricky Hatton was having alot of problems outside the ring coming into Manny Pacquiao fight, granted he wouldn't of beaten Manny Pacquiao at anytime. But he was clearly not mentally ready for a fight like that, plus Manny Pacquiao is a Southpaw which Ricky Hatton always had problem's with since an Amateur which you already know, but i don't see what Pacquiao or Mayweather have in common with Amir Khan at all. One is a southpaw offensive machine, the other is a defensive genius, both things which Amir Khan is not.
You say about Ricky Hatton's trouble's what about Amir Khan's ? almost KO'ed by feather fisted Willie Limond, floored against Michael Gomez and hurt to the body aswell. Went to hell and back with both Maidana, Peterson.
Amir Khan has had problem's with pressure fighters, and has shown more vulnerability than Ricky Hatton ever did.
I referenced Pacquiao and Mayweather because aside from Collazo, Hatton has never been in with anybody with any noticeable speed. When he has, it's ended very badly for him.
As for Khan, he is vulnerable to pressure, but apart from being rocked, he still clearly beat Maidana (imo). Hatton doesn't possess Maidana like power in any case. Peterson applied pressure well but that was a very small ring. It's much easier to be successful at that when your opponents back touches the ropes every 10 seconds. Even fighters with excellent ring generalship would look uncomfortable fighting in a ring of that size against relentless pressure.
I also think, because Khan has had his problems with punch resistance (albeit all down at 135) people over-reatc when he is hit or put under pressure. I actually think he looked quite good in stages fighting on the back foot on Saturday night. In a bigger ring, he would have probably dealt fairly comfortably with it.
I just think Hatton's vulnerability to speed and combination punching is far greater than Khan's vulnerability
to pressure. I think it's worth mentioning that Hatton's vulnerability to speed would be evident from the opening bell, wheras Khan's vulnerability to Hatton's pressure would be something which would be more apparent over the second half of the fight. The problem for Hatton is, when he's been hit continually (something i'd expect Khan to do quite easily)with fast and accurate punches, Hatton has faded quite badly down the stretch.
I think people are forgetting the fact that Freddie Roach is in Khan's corner. He knows Hatton's weaknesses better than any trainer in the world.
As for Gomez 'nearly knocking Khan out' - L.O.L.
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I chose a slightly shopworn Hatton because I think prime Hatton flat out slaughters Amir Khan. A brutal stoppage in 6. Hacking to the body and then a knockout to the head.
I second this as well, Hatton at his best was a hell of a pressure fighter, it took Mayweather a good 5 or 6 rounds to really soften him up and start to pull away. I just don't see anything Khan has that would have kept Ricky's head off his chest for however long it lasted. People are really underrating Ricky to make out like Khan has an outright speed advantage, his hands are faster but footspeed is close and Hatton had a lot more method to his approach. Khan still has yet to show any infighting skills really, I don't see how this would even be much of a fight tbh.
I think people are over-estimating Hatton to be honest. At his best he was still an inconsistent fighter. For every Tszyu performance, there was a Pedersen performance, or for every Castillo performance, there was a Collazo performance.
At his best, Hatton was very good against fighters who threw one punch at a time. But he has never excelled against fighters with fast hands who throw punches in bunches. Infact, the 3 who he has fought have either knocked him out or nearly knocked him out. Granted you have Pacquiao and Mayweather in there, but the manner of the Pacquiao loss suggests that he is far too open to excel against this kind of fighter.
Warren kept him away from this type of fighter for a reason.
Ricky Hatton was having alot of problems outside the ring coming into Manny Pacquiao fight, granted he wouldn't of beaten Manny Pacquiao at anytime. But he was clearly not mentally ready for a fight like that, plus Manny Pacquiao is a Southpaw which Ricky Hatton always had problem's with since an Amateur which you already know, but i don't see what Pacquiao or Mayweather have in common with Amir Khan at all. One is a southpaw offensive machine, the other is a defensive genius, both things which Amir Khan is not.
You say about Ricky Hatton's trouble's what about Amir Khan's ? almost KO'ed by feather fisted Willie Limond, floored against Michael Gomez and hurt to the body aswell. Went to hell and back with both Maidana, Peterson.
Amir Khan has had problem's with pressure fighters, and has shown more vulnerability than Ricky Hatton ever did.
I referenced Pacquiao and Mayweather because aside from Collazo, Hatton has never been in with anybody with any noticeable speed. When he has, it's ended very badly for him.
As for Khan, he is vulnerable to pressure, but apart from being rocked, he still clearly beat Maidana (imo). Hatton doesn't possess Maidana like power in any case. Peterson applied pressure well but that was a very small ring. It's much easier to be successful at that when your opponents back touches the ropes every 10 seconds. Even fighters with excellent ring generalship would look uncomfortable fighting in a ring of that size against relentless pressure.
I also think, because Khan has had his problems with punch resistance (albeit all down at 135) people over-reatc when he is hit or put under pressure. I actually think he looked quite good in stages fighting on the back foot on Saturday night. In a bigger ring, he would have probably dealt fairly comfortably with it.
I just think Hatton's vulnerability to speed and combination punching is far greater than Khan's vulnerability
to pressure. I think it's worth mentioning that Hatton's vulnerability to speed would be evident from the opening bell, wheras Khan's vulnerability to Hatton's pressure would be something which would be more apparent over the second half of the fight. The problem for Hatton is, when he's been hit continually (something i'd expect Khan to do quite easily)with fast and accurate punches, Hatton has faded quite badly down the stretch.
I think people are forgetting the fact that Freddie Roach is in Khan's corner. He knows Hatton's weaknesses better than any trainer in the world.
As for Gomez 'nearly knocking Khan out' - L.O.L.
Ono i have seen you in the past say this alot, about Ricky Hatton's weaknesses but i think your a bit unfair, i also think your tad biased towards Amir Khan. Apart from power what else does Marcos Maidana have ? and even that's overrated i mean he couldn't stop an ancient DeMarcus Corley.
Ricky Hatton is a much better pressure fighter in every other area, he would close the distance down. And punish Amir Khan to the body, since when has Marcos Maidana or Lamont Peterson had great chins either ? and how would they have done vs Pacquiao or Mayweather ?
Lamont Peterson isn't naturally a pressure fighter, nor does he carry a big punch. Yet he gave Amir Khan hell and Amir Khan at times was running, can you imagine Ricky Hatton having Amir Khan in that same position ? which he would and he would punish him badly.
Lastly read what i said i said Michael Gomez floored him and hurt him to the body, i never said nearly KO'ed. But the fact he was floored and hurt to the body speaks volumes, he was also having trouble with Lamont Peterson's body attack.
I've seen most of Ricky Hatton's fights and i don't remember him ever looking as hurt, or as uncomfortable as Amir Khan has. He was floored early in his career and was slightly shaken but he shook it off. I've seen him be buzzed by single punches but never seriously hurt, i think he was quite badly hurt by Luis Collazo. But i think that's mixture of the fight being at Welterweight and Luis Collazo being a Southpaw.
Re: Who wins? Khan now or the Hatton that beat Malignaggi?
Prime Hatton beats today's Khan. Too much pressure .
Re: Who wins? Khan now or the Hatton that beat Malignaggi?
Prime Hatton destroys khan. The one that fought Malignaggi i still slighty favour Hatton if he had the right trainer in his corner. Khan would cause him big problems early with his speed but he does jump in alot with his punches and khan isnt that hard a puncher. If Hatton gets past the first 2 rounds he wins imo, Hatton still had the fast feet that would allow to get on the inside and once he got there he would do alot of damage to the body of Khan and slow him down and stop him around the 6th. If Hatton could get on close to Khan,Khan just doesnt have the inside game to deal with him.
