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The punch that floored Fury was thrown by a c - class fighter , thats why he got up, the guy had 5 ko's in 16 wins at lower level, so he wasnt a big puncher and he almost KOED Fury.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
He aint getting up if one of the brothers Grim hits him.
As for Price we will see if he has a chin and judge him then.
Fury isnt going to the top.
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Well, I can see Chisora beating Vitali.
I think Vitali is going to struggle with Chisoras movement and pace. Helenius is a decent sharp puncher and Chisora took his shots, I think he will see Vitalis punches coming. What will that say for Fury then?
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Originally Posted by ross
If's buts and maybe's.
If it happens we can conclude that Fury isnt going to the top as he cant punch and he is floored by C-class non punchers .
So was Khan.
Fury has a good work rate which is something that alot of heavies cant say nowadays.
As for Vitali and Chisora, I dont think we will see Vitali get old overnight, just a younger man fighting like a youngerman for onece and not waiting for Vitali to work and out working him. Chris Byrd did it to a much youger Vitali.
Byrd is better than Del Boy and at the time of Vitali's injury , Byrd was losing 88-83 , so he didnt outwork him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Also in the HW division it is generally known that 9 times out of 10 a boxer needs power to be at the very top, Fury doesnt have it and he hasnt stepped up in class yet.
If you are a master boxer like Clay then you dont need to be a massive hitter , I dont see Fury's wide open defence, but good work rate enough personally.
And to compare Khan a top Olimpic fighter , to Fury is stupid , yes Khan has a dodgy chin , but he is very fast and a top boxer , Fury isnt any of these.
Im comparing Khan to what you said "he cant punch and he is floored by C-class non punchers .";D
Yes I know , but im pointing out Khan has lots of world class abilities, which have made him world class.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Fury is floored at low level and has no top class abilities.
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Well, depending on how Chisora does with Vitali, that will give us an indication.
If we use Chisora as a yard stick, you cant say Helenius is any better than Fury;)
Love posters like ross...The Klitschko's are so easy to beat when discussing fight plans in an internet forum :rolleyes:
Chisora is going to get hammered into a bloody pulp! Robert Helenius is no Vitali Klitschko, Helinius is stiff, slow, and robotic....people may ASSUME that Vitali is stiff, slow, and robotic, but his record proves otherwise. Robert Helinius has yet to be tested by a "fresh" fighter....Sam Peter, Lamon Brewster, and yes even Chisora were coming off losses. Helinius says he was injured, that's fine, that's understandable, but to me he was never a threat to either Klitschko brother, yeah Helinius punches hard, but it's slow, it's not dynamic power, it's just a thudding Sam Peter-esque kind of power, but thrown as a straight 1-2 rather than looping hooks.
Chisora can move and bob and weave all he wants, he's simply not going to last 12 rounds with Vitali, he can't live with the athletic ability, accuracy, and power of Vitali....I want a good fight, but Del Boy won't be the one to bring it.
I think your gonna get a surprise;)
Right...because Vitali is not only going to have to go the distance, but he'll lose, to Derek Chisora??? a 15(9 KO)-2 fighter with 0 big wins on his record....yes ross, IF Hell freezes over and that does happens, yes I WILL be surprised....but it's not going to happen no matter how Chisora fights he will get his ass kicked...I'm sorry to break reality to you like this but it's the truthQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
I just see a big, old fighter who hasnt been made to miss or move around alot since he came back. In his last fight he fell over himself, he didnt trip or even get caught and iv seen him wearing a knee strap before now too. He wil have to work as hard as he ever has to land on Chisora. I dont think Chisora is anything great but he has shown he can take a shot if he has to and he has decent head movement and knows how to maul.
Who has Chisora taken a shot off of? An injured Helenius?? Fury?? Vitali will have very little if any trouble with Del Boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
If a Seth Mitchell vs Dereck Chisora fight was made right now, I'd bet the farm on Seth Mitchell stopping Chisora. The guy is inconsistent with his training, he has very little power, his hands aren't all that quick, and he can be lazy in the ring. I don't know about you, but I expect Chisora to show up fat and under impress vs Vitali just like Kirk Johnson did. Now I doubt it'll be a 2 round KO as that youthful Vitali was just a fucking monster, but it'll be a stoppage win, Vitali will fight in a cold calculating manner and when Chisora gets hurt it's all over.
Del Boy will weigh in at 250 or so vs Vitali...lighter than vs Fury, but too heavy to repeat anything he did vs Helinius.
Whilst I agree with Ross, I think the Chisroa that Tyson beat was not the Chisora that should have got the decision against Helenius.
You think either version of Chisora gives Vitali a tough fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master