I like Wlad. Nice dude, solid boxer. Buts it's recycled pooh like this that makes people want to see him get KTFO Deebo style.
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I like Wlad. Nice dude, solid boxer. Buts it's recycled pooh like this that makes people want to see him get KTFO Deebo style.
Lyle, I somewhat agree here with Spicoli. New blood would have been better than this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Wlad didn't make Thompson the mandatoryQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratLyle, I somewhat agree here with Spicoli. New blood would have been better than this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Yeah...blame the IBF for the Thompson fight. If Wladimir were to get beat it probably wouldn't take long for the alphabet gang to strip Tony...then it would be like it was a few years ago with Brewster, Byrd, Toney, Rahman and Ruiz all claiming to be "The Champ".
Off topic....Lyle have you seen the Klitschko documentary yet?
I got a few links if you or anybody else is interested. No download required.
I've yet to see it. I would love to watch it of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by TigerFan
Here you go man :thumb:
Subtitles are in English & Polish
Part 1 - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlhogg_1_sport
Part 2 - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlhbye_2_sport
So by that are we saying that Thompson has a snowballs chance in hell? I mean if the strip him thats just another example of alphabet soup politricks. I'll go out on a limb and say the wouldn't strip Wlad if he didn't take it on the grounds that he's been there-done that. It tastes bad coming off that Mormeck farce.Quote:
Originally Posted by TigerFan
Hasim Rahman is once again being called a mandatory heavyweight challenger
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Originally Posted by p4pking
Uhh.... THIS.
The only thing I can add is that Thompson obviously lost the "paper-scissors-rock" held between the pathetic (and terrified) group of (cough) "contenders" that stink up....er.... I mean.... make up the heavyweight division.
Editor's Note: Thompson should've asked for best 2 out of 3. Just saying.
Wlad has mentioned fighting other challengers but either he's already beaten them, his brother has already beaten them, they are too green, or they are outright cowards.
Look for a challenger for him....Cris Arreola is coming back looking decent and I think he matches up well vs Wlad but hell he doesn't stand much of a chance. Seth Mitchell is too green. Chambers, Thompson, have already been beaten. Fury & Price are too young. Holyfield is too old, Toney is old and shot. Povetkin is a chicken and won't fight him. Valuev retired. Haye already got his ass kicked & retired. Chisora is suspended.
At this moment as a champion you try to root out a challenge like a recently retired fighter...Lennox Lewis WILL NOT come back....Riddick Bowe would but nobody wants to see that. Golota might but he's not "scary enough".....there is really nobody left for Wlad to fight....Wlad could fight til he's 40 and not have trouble holding on to his titles. If Vitali wasn't around Wlad would have a hell of a shot at beating or matching Joe Louis' record of successful defenses.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
I'd like to throw Toney in there. It's probably illegal, but what the hell. Anything to see the beached whale dumped on his ample, substantial, cellulitic ass.
Its all crap. By now there are many people all over the devisions who should be fighting each other, but money and dodgy dealings get in the way. I dont care much for the Klits. They may be at the top but they play too safe. Safe in the fight and safe in the tight contracts and clauses within them. They always have everything on there side before the fight starts and hang around together trying to intimidate there opponents like a couple of bullies.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWlad didn't make Thompson the mandatoryQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratLyle, I somewhat agree here with Spicoli. New blood would have been better than this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
In my mind it would be either Helanius, Chisora or Arreola. Helanius has not had a chance yet and the other two would actually come to fight the Klits. Not just try last to the end just so they can say they went all the way with the Klits.
Helenius is on the shelf with injury, chisora suspended, and year arreola I would have liked to seeQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonIts all crap. By now there are many people all over the devisions who should be fighting each other, but money and dodgy dealings get in the way. I dont care much for the Klits. They may be at the top but they play too safe. Safe in the fight and safe in the tight contracts and clauses within them. They always have everything on there side before the fight starts and hang around together trying to intimidate there opponents like a couple of bullies.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWlad didn't make Thompson the mandatoryQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratLyle, I somewhat agree here with Spicoli. New blood would have been better than this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
In my mind it would be either Helanius, Chisora or Arreola. Helanius has not had a chance yet and the other two would actually come to fight the Klits. Not just try last to the end just so they can say they went all the way with the Klits.
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Originally Posted by LeightonIts all crap. By now there are many people all over the devisions who should be fighting each other, but money and dodgy dealings get in the way. I dont care much for the Klits. They may be at the top but they play too safe. Safe in the fight and safe in the tight contracts and clauses within them. They always have everything on there side before the fight starts and hang around together trying to intimidate there opponents like a couple of bullies.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWlad didn't make Thompson the mandatoryQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratLyle, I somewhat agree here with Spicoli. New blood would have been better than this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
In my mind it would be either Helanius, Chisora or Arreola. Helanius has not had a chance yet and the other two would actually come to fight the Klits. Not just try last to the end just so they can say they went all the way with the Klits.
I'm not a "rah-rah" Klits fan. But I gotta say... I've heard this song and dance before. It's always the same story. Boxer "So-and-so" is gonna come to fight... HE'LL actually give the Klits a tough fight, not just come to survive like the other losers. Then the actual fight gets here and we get a disgraceful, embarassing, boring-as-hell showing, where Boxer X is trying not to soil his underpants while attempting to survive... and Wlad is content jabbing him and keeping him at arm's length. And then the whole sordid cycle starts all over again with Boxer Y.
The HW division is down the toilet right now, and it can't all be put on the Klit brothers. Lyle's right when he says that Wlad doesn't make anybody the mandatory. This is the boxing organization's doing.
Unfortunately, we're stuck in an era where there's Wlad and Vitali... and a bunch of has-beens, never-weres, overweight, blubbery, loudmouth losers who talk a big game to try to GET the fight, and then fight like meek little old ladies once they get the fight. How many times are we supposed to swallow this bitter pill?
Lyle says there's hope.... and rattles off some names for the future. Sorry... I'm not convinced. By the time a credible challenger actually surfaces, the Klits will have retired, and we'll all be reduced to the woulda-beens and the coulda-beens, and the countless arguments of "Who do you think would win between Fighter Z and Wlad in his prime." But they'll all be pointless, 'cause the fight will never happen. As opposed to the Toney's, the Bowe's, and the McCall's.... the Klitschko brothers don't strike me as the type that will come back as fat, overweight, senior citizen heavyweight jokes looking for some sort of ridiculous comeback. They'll stay retired, and enjoy their easily earned money.
Chisora and Arreola both put up a very good fight with Vitali. Why wouldn't they do so with Wlad, who is more reluctant to throw?
Arreola would give Wlad more problems then some people would like to suggest.
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Originally Posted by Slim the BoxingManiac
I wouldn't say Wlad is reluctant to throw. I'd say that no one has forced the issue and MADE him throw, if only in self-defense. Arreola has the physical tools, but he's a little of a head case, and there's no telling how he would react to getting caught by a few Wlad shots.
Also, the term "giving Wlad a good fight" just doesn't cut it anymore. I don't want to see a gallant effort ending in an embarrassing KO, and us lauding the victim about how he made Wlad back up once or twice. I want to see someone make Wlad pull out all the stops. I want to see a good heavyweight fight, for the first time in more than a decade, probably. I want to see whether Wlad actually has another gear in his transmission.
And with the shambles that is the HW division right now, if someone like Arreola really wants to be HW champ and thinks he can do it, then by all means get this fight made ASAP. The Klits aren't getting any younger... and eventually the age excuse will come into the picture.