Re: Whats next for Hopkins besides retirement?
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Donny
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Dia bando
His appeal to me, is not unlike, a snot sandwich. I don't like them.
Speaking from experience here, are we?
There's nothing wrong with disliking
a boxer. But because we don't like a fighter, it doesn't make them any better or worse a fighter.
I don't believe Hopkins and I could ever have a conversation, but I really respect him as a fighter.
So what you are saying, is Hopkins is a COCK I no that Hagler would have beat the crap out of him,
now there's a great fight. Hopkins is not fit to carry, HAGLER'S jockstrap.;)
Re: Whats next for Hopkins besides retirement?
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Dia bando
So what you are saying, is Hopkins is a COCK I no that Hagler would have beat the crap out of him,
now there's a great fight. Hopkins is not fit to carry, HAGLER'S jockstrap.;)
When you look back at the history of the Middleweight division, even as far as 1970, the most respected middleweights have not been the most amiable of gentlemen.
Hopkins, Hagler, Monzon; all were "bad guys" who were attractions because of there imposing personas, even the aura od menace surrounding them. (particularly Monzon.)
Before that you had street gladiators such as Graziano, LaMotta.
Even before that you had Mickey Walker and Harry Greb.
All of these fighters were notoriously tough, rugged veterans who were awarded the respect of the boxing public because of their performances; certainly not their winning personalities.
Regrding your last point; the hypothetical match between Hagler and Hopkins; I'm afraid I don't understand.
You say "now there's a fight."
Yet you mention that Hopkins " is not fit to carry, HAGLER'S jockstrap" and "Hagler would have beat the crap out of him."
With these sentiments, why would Hagler vs. Hopkins be a good fight?
If you truely believe that, then the only way this would be a good fight is if you watch boxing to see sadistic, one sided beatings.
:-\
Re: Whats next for Hopkins besides retirement?
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Donny
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Dia bando
So what you are saying, is Hopkins is a COCK I no that Hagler would have beat the crap out of him,
now there's a great fight. Hopkins is not fit to carry, HAGLER'S jockstrap.;)
When you look back at the history of the Middleweight division, even as far as 1970, the most respected middleweights have not been the most amiable of gentlemen.
Hopkins, Hagler, Monzon; all were "bad guys" who were attractions because of there imposing personas, even the aura od menace surrounding them. (particularly Monzon.)
Before that you had street gladiators such as Graziano, LaMotta.
Even before that you had Mickey Walker and Harry Greb.
All of these fighters were notoriously tough, rugged veterans who were awarded the respect of the boxing public because of their performances;
certainly not their winning personalities.
Regrding your last point; the hypothetical match between Hagler and Hopkins; I'm afraid I don't understand.
You say "now there's a fight."
Yet you mention that Hopkins " is not fit to carry, HAGLER'S jockstrap" and "Hagler would have beat the crap out of him."
With these sentiments, why would Hagler vs. Hopkins be a good fight?
If you truely believe that, then the only way this would be a good fight is if you watch boxing to see sadistic, one sided beatings.
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For Hopkins I would love to see him, take a one sided SADISTIC beating yes I would really really really
enjoy it wonderful.;D
Re: Whats next for Hopkins besides retirement?
Hagler was a god damn excellent boxer but I don't think anyone could give Hopkins a beat down. If the fastest man in the Middleweight division couldn't do it I highly doubt Hagler could. As to who would win? Damn I don't know.
Hopkins has problem with boxers with high punch output or those who don't always come towards him, Hagler like most solid boxers rather box with you instead of going side to side or pressuring a counter boxer. I don't know why he has a persona of a brawler where in fact he was a great mid-range boxer.
Re: Whats next for Hopkins besides retirement?
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DavilaJones
Hagler was a god damn excellent boxer but I don't think anyone could give Hopkins a beat down. If the fastest man in the Middleweight division couldn't do it I highly doubt Hagler could. As to who would win? Damn I don't know.
Hopkins has problem with boxers with high punch output or those who don't always come towards him, Hagler like most solid boxers rather box with you instead of going side to side or pressuring a counter boxer. I don't know why he has a persona of a brawler where in fact he was a great mid-range boxer.
I must be missing something,! Hopkins is abysmal a very unattractive style technically horrible to watch,
Hagler on the other hand, technically head and shoulders above Hopkins in ever department , and I
no who would win HAGLER,
Re: Whats next for Hopkins besides retirement?
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DavilaJones
Hagler was a god damn excellent boxer but I don't think anyone could give Hopkins a beat down. If the fastest man in the Middleweight division couldn't do it I highly doubt Hagler could. As to who would win? Damn I don't know.
Hopkins has problem with boxers with high punch output or those who don't always come towards him, Hagler like most solid boxers rather box with you instead of going side to side or pressuring a counter boxer. I don't know why he has a persona of a brawler where in fact he was a great mid-range boxer.
Well if Marvin fought like he did against Hearns old Bhop would be in trouble then.:rolleyes:
Re: Whats next for Hopkins besides retirement?
this is too obvious......we all know we want to see a third fight with jones of course
Re: Whats next for Hopkins besides retirement?
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Dia bando
For Hopkins I would love to see him, take a one sided SADISTIC beating yes I would really really really
enjoy it wonderful.;D
Dia, I am a boxer and this sport means a lot to me.
I see the smiley, but that just makes me sick.
Re: Whats next for Hopkins besides retirement?
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Donny
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Dia bando
For Hopkins I would love to see him, take a one sided SADISTIC beating yes I would really really really
enjoy it wonderful.;D
Dia, I am a boxer and this sport means a lot to me.
I see the smiley, but that just makes me sick.
No one could put a sadistic beating on Hopkins even at his age he is too good. Only a heavyweight could do some damage but Hopkins is too wise to go there. Didn't he want to fight Haye at one stage?
Re: Whats next for Hopkins besides retirement?
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Master
No one could put a sadistic beating on Hopkins even at his age he is too good. Only a heavyweight could do some damage but Hopkins is too wise to go there. Didn't he want to fight Haye at one stage?
I think you're probably right. He is a throwback in that respect alone.
Yeah, he had looked into fighting both Haye and Adamek!
Re: Whats next for Hopkins besides retirement?
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Donny
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Master
No one could put a sadistic beating on Hopkins even at his age he is too good. Only a heavyweight could do some damage but Hopkins is too wise to go there. Didn't he want to fight Haye at one stage?
I think you're probably right. He is a throwback in that respect alone.
Yeah, he had looked into fighting both Haye and Adamek!
i think the cruiser weight and smaller heavies are too much for Hopkins now.
Re: Whats next for Hopkins besides retirement?
Agreed.
I feel if he leaves now he walks away with a great legacy which any fighter should be proud of.
Funny, if a points decision went just a little diffferently and he beat Calzaghe he could have gone out at the top of the p4p rankings.
Re: Whats next for Hopkins besides retirement?
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Donny
Agreed.
I feel if he leaves now he walks away with a great legacy which any fighter should be proud of.
Funny, if a points decision went just a little diffferently and he beat Calzaghe he could have gone out at the top of the p4p rankings.
Joe won that fight, Hopkins stunk the place out but that was his only way to beat Joe and it nearly worked.
I would love for Hopkins to beat one good fighter and call it a day but he will go on and on until he feels he feels he has nothing else to give. He must train hard and have the motivation of a young fighter to continue at this level with the money he has made.
Re: Whats next for Hopkins besides retirement?
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Joe won that fight, Hopkins stunk the place out but that was his only way to beat Joe and it nearly worked.
I would love for Hopkins to beat one good fighter and call it a day but he will go on and on until he feels he feels he has nothing else to give. He must train hard and have the motivation of a young fighter to continue at this level with the money he has made.
I remember watching it live and having it a draw.
I'm not sure that I've watched it any more than one time since?
He's a very driven individual I think. I'd be interested in how he could sculpt fighters as a coach.
Re: Whats next for Hopkins besides retirement?
It is a boring fight to be honest, but recorded it recently as I want it on DVD and only got it on VHS, moving with the times. :)
I have thought a final big PPV fight Hopkins should have before he hangs up his gloves win, lose r draw that is with James Toney at cruiser weight. They have history, the pre-fight talk will be good and the fight will be competitive. Both could get some closure.
