Re: Fidel Castro had a stroke and is near vegetative state
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El Kabong
The people of Cuba are welcomed in the United States, the embargo is designed to weaken their leadership.
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mrbig1
First of all China is a Communist nation with nuclear missles out the ass. The U.S. has trade with them. #2 China killed a shitload of Americans during the Korean war. Now why to we have trade with China and not Cuba? Well that's easy. If you want to be friends with the U.S. you have to first enslave the work force. Next rape them of any and all human rights. Once that's done them you are a friend of the rich and powerful in America.
The US has trade with China because our "beef" with them was quashed by Nixon & Kissinger. It actually went to ease our relations with the Soviets too as they feared an Alliance forming between us.
The United States killed a lot more Chinese than they got of our men.....a LOT more. There were waves and waves of Chinese some soldiers not even carrying guns of any kind but running towards the Allies and picking weapons off of dead bodies. Meanwhile Allied machine guns were mowing down rows of these Chinese. The Chinese say circa 152,000 Chinese were killed, the United States' number of Chinese KIA is north of 400,000 men. The United States casualties were 36,000+ KIA, 92,000+ wounded.
Cuba is a trickier situation. We liberated them from Spain, we helped their economy, and were great Allies for a long time, but allowing the Soviets into our "backyard" to point nukes at us is a big No-No. Then of course there was Castro nationalizing American interests in Cuba. Then Cuba blamed us for the explosion of a boat in Havana Harbor. There were aircraft hijackings in the 60's & 70's. Plus there's the hope that after Castro Cuba will be free again at which times embargos & sanctions will be eased if not completely dropped and we'll go back to being buddies. China on the other hand will be Communist for a long while although I believe the end of their communist regime will be more natural as old age will wipe out large swathes of Chinese, that old age will also cost the Chinese damn near all the money we owe them so the winds of change will blow over there in the future, they just happened not to directly attack us it was by proxy due to Vietnam or Korea same with the Soviets.
So you didn't answer my question (post 24). So you have nothing against the Cuban people or their culture... and yet you applaud the U.S. embargo that has made Cuba a "shithole", as you called it. I asked whether it wouldn't have been just as effective to have removed Castro from power awhile back. And it's not like the U.S. hasn't done this before.
Re: Fidel Castro had a stroke and is near vegetative state
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ryanman
Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Have a read, it's good stuff.
'Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and
bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:
"The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere." '
What I've posted above also shows why Castro has maybe never exactly softened his stance against the U.S.
Re: Fidel Castro had a stroke and is near vegetative state
The US position on Cuba is awful. Why would you soften your stance on a country that tried to invade, then tried to kill you many times.
Fuck America!
Re: Fidel Castro had a stroke and is near vegetative state
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Gandalf
The US position on Cuba is awful. Why would you soften your stance on a country that tried to invade, then tried to kill you many times.
Fuck America!
miles, don't be such a Negative Nancy
Re: Fidel Castro had a stroke and is near vegetative state
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El Kabong
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Gandalf
The US position on Cuba is awful. Why would you soften your stance on a country that tried to invade, then tried to kill you many times.
Fuck America!
miles, don't be such a Negative Nancy
Don't be a knob, Castro suffers but he has achieved a lot. Brain tumour USA is fucked, but in Cuba she will be treated.
It isn't about you or them. There are good things to take from Cuba. Things that help society.
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Hmm... @El Kabong, apparently you only answer questions with a graph attached.
Here's a neat one for you. Maybe now you'll answer my twice-asked question.
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Re: Fidel Castro had a stroke and is near vegetative state
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TitoFan
Hmm... @
El Kabong , apparently you only answer questions with a graph attached.
Here's a neat one for you. Maybe now you'll answer my twice-asked question.
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You didn't make that yourself did you? ;D
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TitoFan
Hmm... @
El Kabong , apparently you only answer questions with a graph attached.
Here's a neat one for you. Maybe now you'll answer my twice-asked question.
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You didn't make that yourself did you? ;D
You have no idea how hard I worked to get that graph small enough (memory-wise) to allow attachment.
;D
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TitoFan
Hmm... @
El Kabong , apparently you only answer questions with a graph attached.
Here's a neat one for you. Maybe now you'll answer my twice-asked question.
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You didn't make that yourself did you? ;D
You have no idea how hard I worked to get that graph small enough (memory-wise) to allow attachment.
;D
;D I admire your commitment Titofan.
Re: Fidel Castro had a stroke and is near vegetative state
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TitoFan
Hmm... @
El Kabong, apparently you only answer questions with a graph attached.
Here's a neat one for you. Maybe now you'll answer my twice-asked question.
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Am I missing something? What happened in 1990?
Re: Fidel Castro had a stroke and is near vegetative state
We tried to get rid of him...missed our chance I guess
Re: Fidel Castro had a stroke and is near vegetative state
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TitoFan
Hmm... @
El Kabong , apparently you only answer questions with a graph attached.
Here's a neat one for you. Maybe now you'll answer my twice-asked question.
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Am I missing something? What happened in 1990?
Well I'm taking into consideration the fall of the Soviet Union as a factor. One could argue that the embargo was needed on Cuba while there still was a chance, however slim, that Castro would again cooperate with the USSR on something that could be a threat to the U.S. I'm thinking that threat went away with the demise of the USSR. My point is that the usefulness of the U.S. embargo on Cuba has long outlived its purpose... and has only brought unneeded suffering on the people of Cuba.
Re: Fidel Castro had a stroke and is near vegetative state
Ending the embargo is long overdue and I'm sure it has effected the Cuban people but I think the amount of suffering from it is being vastly overstated particularly when taking into consideration the regime they live under. If it was even a remotely free country and still impoverished then I could see some validity in the argument but as is I think the finger of blame is much more appropriately pointed at their leadership over the last several decades. My interaction with Cubans over the years has confirmed this.
Re: Fidel Castro had a stroke and is near vegetative state
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VictorCharlie
Ending the embargo is long overdue and I'm sure it has effected the Cuban people but I think the amount of suffering from it is being vastly overstated particularly when taking into consideration the regime they live under. If it was even a remotely free country and still impoverished then I could see some validity in the argument but as is I think the finger of blame is much more appropriately pointed at their leadership over the last several decades. My interaction with Cubans over the years has confirmed this.
Which is exactly why I'm saying. Would the Cuban people not have been much better off if... rather than continue a useless embargo, the U.S. government would've removed Castro from power a long time ago? There were no reprisals to fear from the Soviet Union. Not too many world leaders would've shed a tear for the ouster of Castro. The leadership in Cuba would've been different... people would be freer... and there would be no need for an embargo. Any argument against the ability of the U.S. to remove a leader from a country such as Cuba goes out the window when you mention the example of Manuel Noriega from Panama and his removal from power in 1989.
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I agree Tito they would have been better off. Maybe we smoke Castro and Cuba successfully moves to a representative government and maybe we fuck it all up and another despot comes to power. Circa the missile crisis I could have supported military action for a regime change but other than that time frame I'd prefer us just be our awesome selves and win them over by exporting MTV and Levi 501 jeans.
