I think Marciano would eventually find Ali over 15 rounds

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12-28-2012, 10:48 AM
brocktonblockbust

Re: I think Marciano would eventually find Ali over 15 rounds

skip to 6:50 of this video and watch Shavers knock Ali out but Ali was unconscious on his feet acting like a monkey and Shavers didnt realize Ali was OUT. Saddo could have KO'ed Ali at that point. Go ahead skip to 6:50 and watch Shavers outbox AND outpunch Ali.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgjbXCVNpl4
12-28-2012, 10:58 AM
brocktonblockbust

Re: I think Marciano would eventually find Ali over 15 rounds

Henry Cooper a solid fighter certainly not alltime great giving Ali fits and scoring heavily all night with the left. Ali could be hit easily with the left AND the right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frn3rTj5DOY
12-28-2012, 11:04 AM
brocktonblockbust

Re: I think Marciano would eventually find Ali over 15 rounds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLWYnTFz9PE
12-28-2012, 11:12 AM
brocktonblockbust

Re: I think Marciano would eventually find Ali over 15 rounds

George Chuvalo---a journeyman--- beat Ali fair and square --Norton won all 3 fights.--- Wepner---a bum by some peoples standards---knocked Ali down and went 15 rounds.---- The 2 Liston fights were THROWN. Sonny needed money. Period. He was a gamblin man. Mafia came callin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmpZhARXbm0
12-28-2012, 03:10 PM
boyla

Re: I think Marciano would eventually find Ali over 15 rounds

It would not last 15 rounds.

I think Rocky had enough about him to get the KO.

Depends on which Ali showed up and what strategy he used.

How big the ring was, would also benefit Ali, but I think he would not win against Marciano.
12-28-2012, 04:15 PM
Beanflicker

Re: I think Marciano would eventually find Ali over 15 rounds

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

In 1966 Ali fought George Chuvalo and won a unanimous decision. Despite the scores he had a lot of trouble with Chuvalo, who has maintained since that he would have won had the judges scored body punches (he also said the saying you were in a close fight with Ali is like spitting on the Pope; sacrilegious.) At the time many thought that Chuvalo had drawn the blueprint for how to beat Ali.
If a prime Ali had a hard night with George Chuvalo, Marciano would have taken him to hell.

The only thing Chuvalo did with any consistency to Ali was hit him with kidney punches in the clinch (which I heard made Ali piss blood for a week).

I love George and he certainly was a bruiser and caused Ali a lot of pain and discomfort, I don't think he came close to beating Ali, and if people at the time thought he had drawn the blueprint to beat Ali, I think that sentiment was probably based moreso in the public's distaste for Ali at the time than it was in any real logic.

Chuvalo had probably the best chin in HW history too IMO
12-28-2012, 04:24 PM
Beanflicker

Re: I think Marciano would eventually find Ali over 15 rounds

Ali gave Marciano a good chance though
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDaw2QFC1Qg
12-28-2012, 07:16 PM
Master

Re: I think Marciano would eventually find Ali over 15 rounds

Brock you are sounding like that prat poster Philosopher with fighting little sections where Ali was hit or hurt. I could do the same with Rocky if I looked hard enough in one fight and had the spare time you have.
12-29-2012, 02:02 PM
brocktonblockbust

Re: I think Marciano would eventually find Ali over 15 rounds

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Originally Posted by Master

Brock you are sounding like that prat poster Philosopher with fighting little sections where Ali was hit or hurt. I could do the same with Rocky if I looked hard enough in one fight and had the spare time you have.

joke is on you Master me and Philosopher are the same person.... psych just kidding.

Master did you listen carefully to Ali?

As for Rocky being hit or hurt yes he absolutely WAS hit and hurt. But never had his skull rocked off by 50 left hooks in one single fight like Frazier did to Ali on March 8, 1971. Oh no Master, youll never see that happen to Rocky.
12-29-2012, 08:19 PM
imp

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

George Chuvalo---a journeyman--- beat Ali fair and square --Norton won all 3 fights.--- Wepner---a bum by some peoples standards---knocked Ali down and went 15 rounds.---- The 2 Liston fights were THROWN. Sonny needed money. Period. He was a gamblin man. Mafia came callin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmpZhARXbm0

Im sure the mafia helped out with alot of marcianos fights as well..wink wink.
12-29-2012, 08:21 PM
greynotsoold

Re: I think Marciano would eventually find Ali over 15 rounds

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Quote:

Originally Posted by greynotsoold

In 1966 Ali fought George Chuvalo and won a unanimous decision. Despite the scores he had a lot of trouble with Chuvalo, who has maintained since that he would have won had the judges scored body punches (he also said the saying you were in a close fight with Ali is like spitting on the Pope; sacrilegious.) At the time many thought that Chuvalo had drawn the blueprint for how to beat Ali.
If a prime Ali had a hard night with George Chuvalo, Marciano would have taken him to hell.

The only thing Chuvalo did with any consistency to Ali was hit him with kidney punches in the clinch (which I heard made Ali piss blood for a week).

I love George and he certainly was a bruiser and caused Ali a lot of pain and discomfort, I don't think he came close to beating Ali, and if people at the time thought he had drawn the blueprint to beat Ali, I think that sentiment was probably based moreso in the public's distaste for Ali at the time than it was in any real logic.

Chuvalo had probably the best chin in HW history too IMO

The thought was that the way to beat Ali was with pressure, staying on top of him and punching to the body. Ali certainly took a lot of body punches in many fights: He could pull his head away very quickly but not his body. And in close he didn't keep his elbows in tight to protect his ribs (until Zaire), preferring to grab his opponent around the head and pull them down.
Ali was far far from a perfect fighter. Once Marciano got close ( and he would, because he'd make Ali move into him to land his jab) Ali would have problems with his activity and those punches would slow him down.
12-29-2012, 09:06 PM
imp

Ali prime weight:- 210-220?
Marciano prime weight:-183-189?

Ali reach:- 80inches
Marciano reach:- 68inches

Ali height:- 6,3?
Marciano height:- 5,10?

Speed:- ali
Footwork:- ali
Handspeed:- ali
Defense:- ali
Chin:- ali
Jab:- ali
Power:- marciano?
Stamina:- both?

If these two fought prime for prime ten times..on 7 occasions the fight would be stopped on a tko for ali for cutting rockys face to shreds and the other two a decision or ko for the Goat. Perhaps in the last fight marciano could get a KO? lets just give it to him.

Marciano will always be a legend in the game with his heart and courage and undefeated record.

But the frustation of alis movement, speed and accurate shots will be way to much for the brave and tough crusierweight.

Ps:- frazier would have beat marciano too.
12-29-2012, 09:26 PM
Beanflicker

Re: I think Marciano would eventually find Ali over 15 rounds

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

Ali was far far from a perfect fighter. Once Marciano got close ( and he would, because he'd make Ali move into him to land his jab) Ali would have problems with his activity and those punches would slow him down.

That could be true. I wouldn't count Marciano out of that one.

Actually I give Marciano a much better chance of beating Ali than I would of him beating the big bombers who came after him (Liston, Foreman, ect).
12-30-2012, 01:58 AM
THE THIRD MAN

Re: I think Marciano would eventually find Ali over 15 rounds

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Ali had problems with just about everybody, same like Holmes. Ali was rocked by just about every opponent--Doug Jones won the fight, Cooper and another guy floored him, Chuck Wepner floored ahim and went 15 rounds, Chuvalo beat him on pionts, Ken Norton won all 3 fights, Bob Foster cut him, Frazier was wining the 3rd fight if his eyes didnt close, Ali would get waxed in a rematch with Foreman who could probably beat Ali just using his jab and conserving his energy better than Zaire, an old Patterson was "the toughest fight I ever had" said Ali himself. Frazier really showed in the first fight that Ali was only great for his Iron Chin and not much else as Ali's fucking head in that fight should have come off his shoulders on dozens of occasions due to monster left hooks that should have decapitated him. Ali proved he could take any punch from anybody and still fight on. Just that he didnt do too much fightin after Frazier took his head off in the mid to late rounds.

Ali struggled with everybody. Name a fight Ali didnt have a scare or get hurt bad.

Marciano would destroy Ali.

Looking at this analysis Ali is the worst Heavyweight champion of all time and probably wouldn't have beaten Marvin Hart! We should all stop talking about Ali and condemn his legacy to the dustbin of time and erase his memory from boxing altogether? I was unaware that so many people over the last 50 years have got it all wrong about Ali, i better go read a book about boxing because i have no idea now.
12-30-2012, 02:18 AM
ElTerribleMorales

Re: I think Marciano would eventually find Ali over 15 rounds

yes he would, he would eventually find Ali's fists to his face......repeatedly

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