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I thought of that one as I'm a big Bailey fan and watched that one live. BUT, Bailey did not "school" the prospect, he lost every round save maybe 1 or 2 and then landed a couple hail mary shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Jones was already a contender. He wasn't a prospect any moreQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
In ring experience he was a pup and hardly building up wear and tear, ring miles is what I think largley counts. You got alot of guys not even hitting notoriety or trinkets until late 20's. Guerrero was a deeper 'contender' than Guthrie, though younger he had logged tougher comp in only a couple fights less at time of loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseGuthrie was 31 years old. How is that a "Young" prospect?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI dunno meing, Guthrie had a trinket but in reality he was as pure untested 'prospect' as they come. Took courts and judges for a shot at a stripped gimme trinket and then pole axed by written off inactive, totally unranked veteran in Johnson, who was jumping up not one but two weight classes. Poor dude peaked and crashed for good all in 4+ rounds?! I got Rubio clowning Bojado above Leija pulling it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I'm aware of this, but since the thread starter mentioned Pavlik-Hopkins when Pavlik was the best Middleweight in the world, I figured mentioning when an undefeated guy with no title or world class level experience getting beaten by an old pro was relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseJones was already a contender. He wasn't a prospect any moreQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
I just don't consider any fighter who's champion to be a prospectQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliIn ring experience he was a pup and hardly building up wear and tear, ring miles is what I think largley counts. You got alot of guys not even hitting notoriety or trinkets until late 20's. Guerrero was a deeper 'contender' than Guthrie, though younger he had logged tougher comp in only a couple fights less at time of loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseGuthrie was 31 years old. How is that a "Young" prospect?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI dunno meing, Guthrie had a trinket but in reality he was as pure untested 'prospect' as they come. Took courts and judges for a shot at a stripped gimme trinket and then pole axed by written off inactive, totally unranked veteran in Johnson, who was jumping up not one but two weight classes. Poor dude peaked and crashed for good all in 4+ rounds?! I got Rubio clowning Bojado above Leija pulling it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Yeh, I get ya there dude. Just thinks its all become so watered down now and just a selling point with trinkets handed out hand over fist for the next guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI just don't consider any fighter who's champion to be a prospectQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliIn ring experience he was a pup and hardly building up wear and tear, ring miles is what I think largley counts. You got alot of guys not even hitting notoriety or trinkets until late 20's. Guerrero was a deeper 'contender' than Guthrie, though younger he had logged tougher comp in only a couple fights less at time of loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseGuthrie was 31 years old. How is that a "Young" prospect?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI dunno meing, Guthrie had a trinket but in reality he was as pure untested 'prospect' as they come. Took courts and judges for a shot at a stripped gimme trinket and then pole axed by written off inactive, totally unranked veteran in Johnson, who was jumping up not one but two weight classes. Poor dude peaked and crashed for good all in 4+ rounds?! I got Rubio clowning Bojado above Leija pulling it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
There are some fights i am going to look up because I do not remember all of them