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Its easy for me to pick. Before Roy fizzled out he was 50-0 (49-1 because of the BS disqualification loss) with 40 KO's. And only like 10 decision wins all of which weren't even close decisions.
Roy was easily more dominant. No one could even touch Roy before Roy was 34-35.
Roy was the best and complete fighter I have seen.
I agree that Roy was more dominant. However Floyd will never get respect he deserves as a fighter, until his career is over. It's not that he has a big mouth, it's he puts others down. "You have to give respect to get it."
But he did something no other fighter has even done. No fighter who won a world title at 160 ever went to Heavyweight and did the same. Credit where credit is due for me. Ruiz wasn't the best, but he was a legitimate champion and Roy schooled him.Quote:
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As for who was more dominant, I'd go with Roy. He just sailed past his opposition. Floyd's fights always seem more competative.
"Legitimate champion?" The only reason he had the WBA title is because they stripped Lewis. Take away the WBA title and Roy beat a heavyweight, which is something that numerous middleweights have done throughout history.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnBut he did something no other fighter has even done. No fighter who won a world title at 160 ever went to Heavyweight and did the same. Credit where credit is due for me. Ruiz wasn't the best, but he was a legitimate champion and Roy schooled him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
As for who was more dominant, I'd go with Roy. He just sailed past his opposition. Floyd's fights always seem more competative.
In the good old days, when there was only one champion, the middleweights trying to dethrone THE heavyweight champ were facing guys like Louis, Marciano etc. There wasn't four "world" champions to pick from. Roy basically beat a fighter he was giving 30lb too. It's common these days. James Toney went from middleweight to beat Ruiz and a bunch of other heavyweights including Holyfield.
(by the way Bob Fitzsimmons was the first to do it ;))
Hm. To answer both questions
Who was more dominant?
Definitely Roy. And it wasnt that he was a better "fighter" than his opposition, rather the fact that he was SO ATHLETIC with quick hands,feet, reflexes etc....that when he fought u he made u look silly. Not to mention he had massive power in his prime(middleweight) imo. He started to lose later in his career because he was so athletic as i young fighter that he didnt need to be technically sound. When the youth wore off, so did his dominance
Who got hit less?
I wanna say floyd because we know that he was so defensively good that opponents couldnt land clean..... But roy dominated so hard in his prime i dont remember him getting caught clean either......... So idk about that
But in the end. Floyd was more successful and fought better opposition. His technical ability allows him to win even at 36 yrs of age... Even though we can all see that his speed,reflexes and footwork have decreaased.
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Before Roy fizzled out (Pre Tarver) he was hit way less than Floyd. Of course even when Floyd has been hit they weren't solid shots except for a few good times he was actually rocked pretty good.
But Roy was hardly ever even hit with glancing blows and he was never rocked in hos prime.
If you mean that Roy was the most physically talented fighter of all time, I might could go with you there... his physical skills were amazing. However, it is his disdain for conventional boxing that hurt him later in his career, so I can't necessarily call him the most talented fighter of all time. Talented guys, in my opinion, can fight past their prime and still win when they don't get caught. Roy was NOT Roy in the 3rd Tarver fight... mostly because the very aura of invincibility and his own belief in his own invincibility was gone. Since then, he is not the same fighter. I would actually argue that Mayweather has more smarts and talent inside of the ring, but Roy was much more physically gifted than Floyd is.Quote:
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I agree regarding the top paragraph - not necessarily the bottom paragraph. In the latter part of his career, Roy gets hit more. However, I think that Roy got hit much less pre-Tarver... but people were scared to throw at him because they would get a receipt with lots of change when they did. Don't I recall correctly that he was the first fighter by CompuBox not to get hit with a punch in a round against Paz?Quote:
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Floyd and he didnt even need roids to do it
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Roy tested positive for a fat loss pill.
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Originally Posted by g3org3
Roy tested positive for a fat loss pill.
Lets stick to pre tarver 2 roy.
The thing is floyds style will always last longer.
Roy never had defense. His speed and confidence was his defense which made an invisible chin.
After the muscle loss and tarver loss, the confidence went and so did roys physical ability and defense.
Floyd on the other hand, might loose a few rounds in a fight might take a massive shot but he will always have his defense to fall back on as its part of him overall.
Floyd has a reserve.
Thats what makes longevity..
Thats what makes floyd BETTER
But does it make him more dominant?
It must do.
For me it is Lil Floyd.
Jones was of 'my era'. When he turned pro it was seriously thought we might have someone who was going to rival Robinson as the finest ever. But he started slowly...
Things started to pick up when he beat a fellow prospect Hopkins. At the time, considered a solid win, but some thought Jones should of looked more impressive. Then he disappeared again, and despite flattening his mandatory Thomas Tate impressively (which at the time got more kudos than decisioning Hopkins), it was not until the Toney fight that Jones finally started living up to the hype, in a truly awesome performance.
But then he stalled again, beating an ancient Pazienza and McCallum were hardly setting the world alight, and it was not as if there was no one for Jones to fight with, that could've got him serious money. But for whatever reason Benn, Eubank and later Collins fights were not to be.
The first Griffin fight seemed to spur him on again, but after Hill he sleepwalked through fights, avoiding the one person we wanted him to fight. And I do not know why, Germany or not, Roy would have humiliated Michalczewski IMO.
The Ruiz fight was the final glimpse of what could've been, but by then people realized a very special fighter had, had a very solid career, that touched greatness, but he never grabbed that greatness and yanked himself up to Robinson's et al table...
I despise Lil Floyd vile act; probably because I am getting old and cranky. But it cannot be denied within a couple of years of turning pro he had reached true world class, and although ridiculously controlling and at times arrogant, he has fought virtually all that matters in his era, with one obvious exception. And through often brilliance and sometimes a bit of luck, he has always got the job done.
In due course I think most will put Mayweather Jr ahead Jones Jr in Boxing's Valhalla.