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Yes!! The subject is now clarified!Quote:
Originally Posted by armin
oh froch was getting that stoppage before the fight was pver but let him get it legit, the stoppage was shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
Froch innocent
Groves innocent
Early stoppage true
But groves endurance was empty or close as froch was coming big and strong.
Try and imagine the predictable situation in the following round
thats only your opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by DropanukeYes!! The subject is now clarified!Quote:
Originally Posted by arminoh froch was getting that stoppage before the fight was pver but let him get it legit, the stoppage was shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
Froch innocent
Groves innocent
Early stoppage true
But groves endurance was empty or close as froch was coming big and strong.
Try and imagine the predictable situation in the following round
only a minute before the stoppage groves had hit and badly stunned froch, both his hands dropped and his head went down
there was as much chance of another one of those ending the fight
you cant stop a fight based on what the fight was stopped on, if you could you could make a long list of fights that wouldnt have gone the distance
What a load of revisionist bollocks. Now apparently Groves had used up all his energy and was going to gas out? Some people are starting to sound like Froch and Cracken who have been trumpeting the same nonsense post fight as before. They both speak as though Carl was always going to win and there was something predestined about the result. All the evidence suggests otherwise. Tenuous and desperate attempts to salvage some credibility from a disastrous fight in which they both had no answers.
I'm just saying we have seen froch in this position many times and pulls it off except ward because he kept away!
Groves was stationary at that point and was trapped on the ropes before he was turning his back to froch and was stumbling without tripping on feet!!
The ref was holding him up!!
Froch was about to have him in the other corner!!!
Does everyone think groves wasn't gonna be trapped in the other corner??
George was slipping.
Forget the wide margins as that's not what matters.
What matters is what was likely unless froch was gonna go and sit on his arse and not finish off!!
Opinion yes but should be taken into consideration and that makes it no fault of Carl's.
The ref could see groves was in bother and leaning as punches landed.
Froch was gonna carry on hitting him and getting through as we have seen him do many times!! This would be no different and if so I wanna know why without bollox
Nobody had ever seen Groves in that situation before, to assume he couldn't have recovered from being hurt like that isn't fair. To say Froch always comes on late as a means to justify it isn't either, we had never seen anyone beat the hell out of him that badly until then. The ref didn't see shit for the record, he was at a terrible vantage to stop the fight, had no eye contact with Groves and literally grabbed him before he could have even taken a knee or anything:mad:. Gun to my head I do think that Froch would have stopped him as he'd come on in the round prior, but I thought the fight was over in the first round as well. Groves could have clearly continued at that moment and it's impossible to know what would've happened, hence the stoppage being a complete farce.
this isnt trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
Are we in agreement that froch was not gonna get stopped??
Groves has earnt more than just my respect and he will take over when froch had gone!!
But I just think that froch had taken everything groves had and was still coming forward with no doubt or fear but with hunger and desire to weather George and let's be fare here, carl was digging him with combos and I'm on the fence but a stoppage was gonna happen and if people think otherwise then bute should have been given the benefit and Taylor!!
Because George took some big shots in succession at the stoppage.
If you watch that whole situation look at groves taking the shots and watch his head and body language and be honest and tell me why he was running after and almost falling without tripping and at that moment is carl chasing George and if so tell me what carl would have done next if the ref wasn't there because groves in that point in time to me was only going to recieve a full hearted bombardment with no hold back.
Gotta be honest there and think what the ref was thinking and prob could see what was coming next.
Yes we don't know but we have a good idea regardless of how George looked like he can beat mayweather with one eye and a broken leg etc etc.
I think the ref has a heart and was thinking of George.
It's harsh but it has happnd.
there was just as much evidence that froch would be stopped as grovesQuote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
in the same round as it was stopped, 30 seconds or so before the stoppage groves landed a big right and frochs hands dropped and his head sagged
this was the first time that froch had really landed on groves and there was no evidence to suggest that groves was even in trouble, he took two punches and then he ducked under another into the refs arms
when he came out of the headlock he knew exactly what was happening
the view that he would have been stopped anyway has no substance when it comes to assessing this fight only, if that were 2 fighters you had never heard of i dont think that would come in to play
So groves should have taken the 8 count making the scores closer and froch no doubt was landing more from round 7 and likely would have finished stronger and by winning the last few rounds it would have been a draw or split decision!!
So either way it's bollox but he got stopped and when hurt didn't free back like froch did.
Froch just kept coming and that's the difference here.
You are talking like a complete fanboy who doesn't want to face up to the fact that Groves had the beating of Froch. Groves humiliated your man and you, like Carl, can't admit it. Now you are backtracking and suggesting that if Groves was not about to be stopped that Froch would have obviously won the last few rounds. You are deluded. It is just as likely that Groves could have caught him flush and sparked him out. Points wise for any neutral Froch had a mountain to climb. The judges apparently were not watching with an open mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
the main problem with the stoppage is that this is the sport they signed up for. they are going to get hit and get rocked sometimes. especially at this level, you have to let the fighter fight through the rough spots. groves was definitely hurt but he was still throwing punches. maybe he would have fallen but he could have gotten up and finished the round. who knows? if you are going to stop fights that quickly, boxing would soon become a dead sport. so many exciting fights throughout the years have been made by a fighter being badly hurt but coming back. in this fight, groves never got his chance.
Yes isms froch fan and have been since he turned pro in the class of 2002.
I am not trying to justify anything I'm pointing out a fact that no matter what happnd froch was winning the second half but the knockdown was the main factor!!
I'm also pointing out that frochs up close 6 punch combos every round were lsnding to groves one or two big rights that hit froch flush.
Groves seems to be landing less overall but getting more points for landing a big shot.
Yes groves was winning but still saw a stoppage before the end of the round!
Froch had already taken George's big stuff and George hadn't taken Carl's until that point and when they landed they were crushing him.
I mean let's be fare now groves looked fresh in the 9th as though he just stared round 1 lol
I'm not being funny just letting the people know that froch was doing the long term damage in that round and groves seemed hurt but in a way that he was gonna cover up and hope for the bell.
That's not biased mate that's just how I saw it!
And that situation looked like the end was near.
Yes froch showed age but if he was getting put to sleep it would have been early.
Groves was tiring. I can see it from both sides but how long should groves stand there and be chased and bombarded before it stops answer that??
I'm on the fence but no one else is
why should groves have taken an 8 count?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
no froch wasnt no doubt landing more from round 7
in reality george won 6 of the first 8 plus the knockdown and froch would have needed a KO or a couple of Knockdowns
i dont think there was any corruption involved in the refs decision to stop the fight, just a bad decision, the score cards are very dubious though
True. As I said in another post. Groves performance against Froch makes DeGales performance against Groves look VERY GOOD. I thought that DeGale edged the fight against Groves. Though it was very close.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
I don't know where Froch can go other than a rematch with Groves because the fallout over the next weeks and months about how he was lucky and how he got outclassed by Groves will burn him up to the point where he will demand a rematch otherwise like Lennox Lewis did with Klitschko if he does not get it on against a guy many thought he was lucky to beat...it will damage his rep.
Are you crazy ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
You think Froch was gonna steam roll Groves ? Why ? Because he did it to a past it Jermain Taylor ? That's what you base it off ? Cmon
People seem to think Froch is the Terminator
But the fact is when have you ever seen a referee in a Froch fight stand over Froch's opponent saying "7,8,9, 10...OUT'
MIKE TYSON USED TO KNOCK THEM OUT FOR THE COUNT OF THIRTY
Gerald McClellan. Nigel Benn, Julian Jackson, Edwin Valero (RIP)...the real Teminators they knock them out cold. Froch does not knock people out cold so don't fall for that Terminator image people have of Froch. Froch does that Calzaghe and Roy Jones trick of just throwing a load punches, even they are missing, just to get the ref to panic and stop it.
Fact is : Froch was on top for only 30 seconds of the fight and in that 30 seconds Groves was stopped ? Just outrageous. Groves was never gonna this fight without going thru a rough patch. This was his patch and and the ref stops it.
Bute was getting a beatdown for five rounds so you can't compare that to Froch Vs Groves. Taylor ran out of gas as this was in the last round. This is was the ninth round. So you telling me Froch is gonna be fitter and stronger than an 11 year younger, less battle scarred guy like Groves ?