Re: What does boxing do after Mayweather retires?
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There are a lot of guys bigger than boxing, because boxing as a sport isn't very big on it's own. Muhammad Ali is bigger than the sport of boxing, as is Ray Leonard, Mike Tyson, George Foreman, De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather, and Manny Pacquiao. These guys carried the bloated corpse of boxing on their shoulders.
Boxing NEEDS these big draws to keep the money coming in. Boxing doesn't sell itself. And with the popularity surge of the UFC and MMA, it's starting to face new challenges.
The boxer is no longer considered the baddest man on the planet. That honor goes to the UFC champion. And with that downgrade in prestige, a lot of young kids who are potential future boxing greats are stepping into their local MMA gym instead of their local boxing gym, because they want to be Anderson Silva or Jon Jones instead of Andre Ward or GGG.
MMA is tiny compared to the world sport of boxing.
The only MMA org that survives is the UFC, and the UFC puts on only about 220 pro fights per year.
Boxing puts on 20 thousand pro fights per year.
Boxing puts on about 220 pro bouts EVERY WEEKEND all year long.
Obviously people are making money in Boxing.
Every time Wladimir Klitschko defends his Heavyweight Title in Germany, he sells out a 60 thousand capacity German stadium, for $#!t's sake! He set tv records for most watched broadcast in the history of that country.
Yanks always think the USA is the whole world, but the USA is just 1 country, and there's about 195 other countries around the world. Too many young fellas happily swallow dana white's shovelfuls of bull$#!t when he's promoting his product, without looking at the cold hard facts. If anything, the uFC can't survive in it's present form. It's not sustainable under it's current system. Those MMA fighters' are completely ripped off financially, and their only recourse under the current system is to get organized and form an MMA Fighters Union. Right now, they get totally raped in the @$$ under the UFC's present business model which is a carbon copy of Vince McMahon's WWE pro wrestling. The UFC fights are real of course, but the business model is WWE all the way, baby, complete with non-compete clauses. The much, much larger payouts to top boxers is because there's competition between promoters to sign a fighter whereas in MMA, the UFC is really the only game in town, a monopoly, and the only org that survives...
Re: What does boxing do after Mayweather retires?
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
I'm disappointed that so many people here are that niave to think Floyd leaving the sport is a good thing, or will have no impact on boxing. It's EXTREMELY short-sighted.
During Floyd's time with HBO, his PPV's generated nearly 10 million buys and well over half a billion dollars in revenue. Floyd makes a lot of money for himself, but he also generates a lot of money that goes DIRECTLY back into boxing. Because HBO (and now Showtime) and GBP can make a gaurenteed fortune off of a Mayweather PPV, that gives them the capital to put off other boxing shows. It gives them the ability to invest in trying to create new stars. It stands to reason that the more money that a company generates, the more room it has to produce and expand. Floyd is the biggest cash generator in the history of boxing. The revenue generated by Floyd made it possible for other fighters to be paid and featured on GBP cards.
Right now it's hard enough to even find a boxer outside of Floyd and Pacquiao that's PPV worthy, let alone a guy who can generate over 2 MILLION PPV BUYS like he did with Canelo. And Pac's fight with Rios only did 500k, so he's lost a lot of steam himself with the JMM KO.
So where is the revenue going to come from after Floyd is gone? JMM/bradley did around 300k I think. Even when Floyd fought an opponent nobody gave a fuck about in Guerrero, he reached 1 million.
With no real large draws left, don't be surprised to see TV networks and boxing promotions tightening their belts in regards to the number of shows put on and the purses of the boxers.
... and the money Mayweather generated went towards helping HBO and Showtime finance other fighters more comfortably.
A lot of fighters were put in the spotlight due to being on a Mayweather card. Broner is a prime example of how Mayweather can put someone on, someone with good talent, but not spectacular above everyone else.
Re: What does boxing do after Mayweather retires?
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Tam Seddon
It baffles me that kids want to go to a gym and learn how to hug each other on the floor. Next level boring if you ask me. Nothing is ever going to be as exciting as 12x3 min championship rounds of boxing. Glory k1 is something new and very exciting though, k1 is miles better than MMA. This is a short video of Tyrone Spong in an amazing 30 secs of action.
Michael Duut vs Tyrone Spong round 1 Glory 9 - YouTube
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Tyrone Spong actively trains and competes in MMA.
Back in the day, kickboxers would switch to boxing because they could make a lot more money and get more recognition.
Now they're going to MMA.
They said that MMA Light-heavyweight Chael Sonnen made $6 mil for his last fight against Jon Jones. $6 mil for an MMA fight is really good money.
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We know boxing will survive, but what do we do in the meantime to keep intrigued with the mystique of the sport?
Mayweather had average folks interested in the sport again. The way Tyson had people interested in the sport again after the Ali retirement and the lackluster- but very good on paper- Holmes reign in the late 70's to early 80's.
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Who cares whether or not "average folk" are interested in boxing? Mayweather has only been the biggest fish since the De La Hoya fight six years ago. That's it. Six poxy years. There's always a top dog, which at the moment happens to be him.
If Tyson or Ali were from this era they would smash the living fuck out of Floyd's PPV records.
He's already retired once and that meant what exactly to boxing? Fuck all.
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
100 years ago "boxing is dead" was being reported. You can trace the same articles throughout history.
When you, and everyone else on this forum, are long dead boxing will still be going. They'll just be a load of other nerds that have taken our place.
I'm not saying boxing is going to die. I know it will always be around in some capacity. My worry is how relevant it's going to be in the future.
Boxing has never had any direct competition before. It's had other sports and other forms of media to compete with for the public's attention, but it's never had another combat sport to compete with it. Kickboxing was supposed to kill it in the 80's, but it never took off like people thought it would.
MMA has dethroned boxing as the premiere combat sport. That's just the facts. And I can only see the distance between MMA and boxing widening as big stars like Floyd, Pac, Cotto, ect retire.
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Beanflicker
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Fenster
100 years ago "boxing is dead" was being reported. You can trace the same articles throughout history.
When you, and everyone else on this forum, are long dead boxing will still be going. They'll just be a load of other nerds that have taken our place.
I'm not saying boxing is going to die. I know it will always be around in some capacity. My worry is how relevant it's going to be in the future.
Boxing has never had any direct competition before. It's had other sports and other forms of media to compete with for the public's attention, but it's never had another combat sport to compete with it. Kickboxing was supposed to kill it in the 80's, but it never took off like people thought it would.
MMA has dethroned boxing as the premiere combat sport. That's just the facts. And I can only see the distance between MMA and boxing widening as big stars like Floyd, Pac, Cotto, ect retire.
MMA would never be bigger than boxing. Just like Rugby won't ever be bigger than Soccer/Football.
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Fenster
Who cares whether or not "average folk" are interested in boxing? Mayweather has only been the biggest fish since the De La Hoya fight six years ago. That's it. Six poxy years. There's always a top dog, which at the moment happens to be him.
If Tyson or Ali were from this era they would smash the living fuck out of Floyd's PPV records.
He's already retired once and that meant what exactly to boxing? Fuck all.
Who cares whether average folk are interested in boxing? Any true boxing fan should want their sport to be as big and have as much cultural relevance as possible, because more cash flow = more shows, bigger fights, better purses, ect. And having John Q. Public give a fuck about boxing = more exposure, more channels willing to pick up and broadcast boxing.
Boxing is not meant to be a cult/fringe sport. It's supposed to be something that captures the imagination of even the boxing layman, where men talk and argue about it at work. It's supposed to be the hottest ticket in town. The glitz and glamour, the celebrities at ringside; a boxing match should be the place to be. A Floyd or Pacquiao fight, that's what boxing is supposed to be. It's not supposed to be "our little secret".
And Floyd retired for what? A year maybe? Before he announced his comeback? And luckily Pacquiao had a break-out year in 2008 and was there to carry the torch.
The effects of guys like Floyd and Pac retiring aren't going to be felt overnight. But the long-term ramifications are going to be severe if boxing can't start developing stars to take their place.
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ykdadamaja
MMA would never be bigger than boxing. Just like Rugby won't ever be bigger than Soccer/Football.
Believe me, as a long time fan of both sports, I was saying the same thing 8 years ago, but boy was I wrong.
MMA absolutely dwarfs boxing in terms of culture significance, and it's only getting stronger.
And I should clarify, it's the UFC that's massive, not neccessarily MMA as a whole.
The UFC has been amazing at expanding their brand and creating stars. True, larger than life, household name STARS. They have people going to MMA gyms instead of boxing gyms.
Now Floyd still out-earns the UFC (usually by a large margin), and pre-JMM KO so did Pac, but the UFC PPV's consistently outdraw everything else boxing related.
Re: What does boxing do after Mayweather retires?
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Beanflicker
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ykdadamaja
MMA would never be bigger than boxing. Just like Rugby won't ever be bigger than Soccer/Football.
Believe me, as a long time fan of both sports, I was saying the same thing 8 years ago, but boy was I wrong.
MMA absolutely dwarfs boxing in terms of culture significance, and it's only getting stronger.
And I should clarify, it's the UFC that's massive, not neccessarily MMA as a whole.
The UFC has been amazing at expanding their brand and creating stars. True, larger than life, household name STARS. They have people going to MMA gyms instead of boxing gyms.
Now Floyd still out-earns the UFC (usually by a large margin), and pre-JMM KO so did Pac, but the UFC PPV's consistently outdraw everything else boxing related.
I don't see it or feel it... it's gotten more than a cult following, but boxing can attract fans world wide.
Boxing will never lose out to mma. The rise of mma does not mean the loss of significance of boxing.
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Beanflicker
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Fenster
Who cares whether or not "average folk" are interested in boxing? Mayweather has only been the biggest fish since the De La Hoya fight six years ago. That's it. Six poxy years. There's always a top dog, which at the moment happens to be him.
If Tyson or Ali were from this era they would smash the living fuck out of Floyd's PPV records.
He's already retired once and that meant what exactly to boxing? Fuck all.
Who cares whether average folk are interested in boxing? Any true boxing fan should want their sport to be as big and have as much cultural relevance as possible, because more cash flow = more shows, bigger fights, better purses, ect. And having John Q. Public give a fuck about boxing = more exposure, more channels willing to pick up and broadcast boxing.
Boxing is not meant to be a cult/fringe sport. It's supposed to be something that captures the imagination of even the boxing layman, where men talk and argue about it at work. It's supposed to be the hottest ticket in town. The glitz and glamour, the celebrities at ringside; a boxing match should be the place to be. A Floyd or Pacquiao fight, that's what boxing is supposed to be. It's not supposed to be "our little secret".
And Floyd retired for what? A year maybe? Before he announced his comeback? And luckily Pacquiao had a break-out year in 2008 and was there to carry the torch.
The effects of guys like Floyd and Pac retiring aren't going to be felt overnight. But the long-term ramifications are going to be severe if boxing can't start developing stars to take their place.
You're waffling like a lunatic conspiracy nut.
There are literally thousands of boxing shows all over the world every year. Where exactly is boxing struggling for "more shows, bigger fights, better purses, more exposure, more channels etc."
This is clearly an American based argument.
However, Showtime have had their highest ever ratings for boxing this year (doesn't include Floyd's PPV's). And do I really need to cite the thousands that attend and millions that watch fights every week from across the world?
Can you give me some evidence that the UFC has dethroned boxing as the premiere combat sport? I'm interested in reading that. Thanks.
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smashup
There was a time in this country when the three major sports were baseball, boxing and horse racing. These days, boxing ranks well down the list, though for a niche sport, it retains a heavy following.
Ratings from cable in 2012 bear that out. Both HBO and Showtime, the two heavyweights in boxing on cable television, had spectacular years. HBO, which is in roughly 30 million homes, compared to roughly 22 million for Showtime, posted the most-watched cable fight of the year and nine of the top 10, according to Nielsen Media Research.
HBO's World Championship Boxing Series averaged over 1.2 million viewers live, an increase of nine percent from 2011. It was the third consecutive year in which all HBO WCB shows did at least 1 million live viewers.
Boxing in America (this argument really has nothing to do with worldwide boxing) is going down a slippery slope, because of UFC, even though viewership is growing year after year?
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MMA has dethroned boxing as the premiere combat sport. That's just the facts.
Not even close!
In reality, this is the elephant and the ant, and the ant is in fact MMA.
Worldwide, MMA is basically invisible.
You should add "in the USA" when you post, because you're only speaking of your own country, you're a "USA-centric" person, but there's 195 other countries out there.
There's no arguing 220 pro fights per year compared to 20 thousand pro fights per year PLUS an international amateur system where 79 countries sent Olympic teams to the 2012 Olympics, and even womens' boxing is in the Olympics now.
And the money?! There's no comparing the money either for elite fighters in the respective combat-sports either.
Don't let dana white p!$$ down your back and tell you it's raining, son...
