Re: Breaking down Margarito's " Plaster Myth "
These men have been wearing gloves their whole life. I have a hard time believing, even if they didn't know someone loaded them, that they would not know the difference. It's their profession, they should be in tune with every aspect.
I would be disgusted at anyone one who would do such a thing. As we have seen time and again, boxing can be fatal. to add things to inflict more damage is the equivalent to attempted murder. I know that may be intense but I respect boxers and what they do. I don't watch boxing to see a car wreck. I watch it to see men with an incredible talent compete in the ultimate sport. You play baseball, you play football, you don't play boxing.
Re: Breaking down Margarito's " Plaster Myth "
The only cheaters here are that lying POC Richardson The CSAC & Shane mosely
Folk say Margarito was never the same after this but what about Mosely? Against Tony he was unbeatable a monster with energy like the energizer bunny. Then look at him against Floyd He gassed after 3 rounds. He had to be clean for Floyd He was juiced to the gills against Margarito
Truth was Margarito kicked Cottos ass when he wasn't supposed to Neither Floyd nor Oscar wanted in the ring with him they knew theyd get their asses kicked too Hence this conspiracy got rid of him for them
Re: Breaking down Margarito's " Plaster Myth "
The guy got caught trying to cheat. Case closed
Re: Breaking down Margarito's " Plaster Myth "
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The only difference between Capetillo/Margarito and Lewis/Resto is the punishment. Resto never fought again and spent close to 3 years in jail ending up penniless with Lewis doing a year and a half or so on a 6 year sentence and was effectively banned for life from sitting in a corner.
Capetillo got a swat and Margarito added 6 months on to his normal 6 month break and slid in early for a fight in Texas and made over a million dollars.
The main difference is Resto actually fought with the tampered gloves; Margarito did not fight Shane with the doctored handwraps. That's what the athletic commission's there for: to ensure the rules of Boxing are followed. A coach is allowed to observe the opponent's wraps, Coach Nazim called attention to a hard gauze pad, the wraps were removed and done over, and the fight went on with commission approval. You can't punish someone if the crime didn't happen. And there's no evidence nor proof of anything from Margarito's previous fights, only suspicions and doubt from fight-fans. Not enough to ban anyone.
Not really because he would have. He still got a gift for criminal intent. He'd to ten years for that same premeditation on the street. Claiming he didn't know he had a gun in his pocket would not amount to jack. Like I said it does not take a rocket scientist to infer that he cheated before if he was about to cheat with Shane. Not sure why that's so hard to grasp. Btw I dont care what Nationality he is ftr. If he was Dogrib from Northern Canada I'd be saying the same thing.
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Not really because he would have. He still got a gift for criminal intent. He'd to ten years for that same premeditation on the street. Claiming he didn't know he had a gun in his pocket would not amount to jack. Like I said it does not take a rocket scientist to infer that he cheated before if he was about to cheat with Shane. Not sure why that's so hard to grasp. Btw I dont care what Nationality he is ftr. If he was Dogrib from Northern Canada I'd be saying the same thing.
Athletic Commision did what it's there for: enforce rules of Boxing, prevent cheating.
He didn't fight with the pads. Case closed.
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I was always uncertain and hesitant to put the boots in on Margarito; mainly because talcum powder over old wraps would come out looking exactly like white goop same as casting plaster after 12 rounds of mushing in punches and the sweat etc,there isnt much difference between the two. Specially when you think they couldnt prove the particle make up on analysis.
The only thing that makes me doubt it is: innocent people look guilty when they dont demand a lie detector themselves to prove their own innocence.
I would be screaming for one in the same position; if I were innocent I could do the test with no fear and it would shake my detractors to the roots.They'd of thought of it with as much to lose as he has lost when in his prime and in demand like that, believe me they would of thought of it if they were 100% innocent. So I have my doubts now as they folded way too easy.
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Not really because he would have. He still got a gift for criminal intent. He'd to ten years for that same premeditation on the street. Claiming he didn't know he had a gun in his pocket would not amount to jack. Like I said it does not take a rocket scientist to infer that he cheated before if he was about to cheat with Shane. Not sure why that's so hard to grasp. Btw I dont care what Nationality he is ftr. If he was Dogrib from Northern Canada I'd be saying the same thing.
Athletic Commision did what it's there for: enforce rules of Boxing, prevent cheating.
He didn't fight with the pads. Case closed.
To you its closed. Not to me or any historian worth its spit its not. I stand by what I said and the logic speaks for itself. If you intend to do a violent life threatening act and are caught prior to acting it out you are still doing time. Case closed
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If you intend to do a violent life threatening act and are caught prior to acting it out you are still doing time.
Every single boxing match that takes place is a violent life-threatening act.
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Would he not guess something is amiss when the wraps are off? I mean after a fight and all that hardens in place would it not feel different???
Not nessaceraly. His hands are going to be stiff after how many rounds of banging his knuckles against someones skull. He also doesnt unwrap them. Fighters are inherently stupid. Theres plenty of they should know for the benefit of themselves but they dont, like their finances and taxes for instance.
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It's obviously very simple to load gloves, as the trainers said in my previous post, they can even do it without a fighter knowing. And if it's naive to believe it was a one off, it must also be hard to spot, as Margarito was in his 45th fight (Richardson had to feel the pad).
Therefore I guess it's naive to not think there are loads of fighter/trainers loading gloves?
It's not like boxing is big on punishing cheats. Even Margarito was back the next year and rewarded with millions of dollars. Look at how many top fighters hired Panama Lewis after what he did?
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You can't punish someone if the crime didn't happen.
WHAT?!
So people don't get charged for attempted murder, attempted rape, attempted robbery, ect, conspiracy to commit ect ect??
The crime DID happen when Marg was given illegal wraps. Just because your plan was foiled doesn't mean you get off. Scooby Doo and gang foiled plans every week, but the perps still went to jail.
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Fenster
Therefore I guess it's naive to not think there are loads of fighter/trainers loading gloves?
It's not like boxing is big on punishing cheats. Even Margarito was back the next year and rewarded with millions of dollars. Look at how many top fighters hired Panama Lewis after what he did?
100%.
Re: Breaking down Margarito's " Plaster Myth "
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bradlee180
Athletic Commision did what it's there for: enforce rules of Boxing, prevent cheating.
He didn't fight with the pads. Case closed.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6...d41b970c-320wi
There's all the evidence you need right there. When Richardson described the tainted gauze what did he say about it?
when he peeled it back, a square block of old wet gauze fell out that was covered with plaster. And it had an old dried-up blood stain on it."
....and what do we see in the picture??? Anyone????
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All I know is that I wrap my own hands and that wrap is all there is is. I tighten my wrists, make sure my knuckles are padded and more so on my left hand and that is that. For any fighter to not know what is going on during that period is insane. Surely at the very start they were doing it on their own. Later you would see any odd behaviour. You are not in a coma.
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All I know is that I wrap my own hands and that wrap is all there is is. I tighten my wrists, make sure my knuckles are padded and more so on my left hand and that is that. For any fighter to not know what is going on during that period is insane. Surely at the very start they were doing it on their own. Later you would see any odd behaviour. You are not in a coma.
Lol true enough. Margarito can probably wrap his own hands better then anyone.
