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Bruno was a good fighter the only thing that did not allow him to be great is that when he got hurt he fucking had no idea what to do. I mean if he could just hang on or take a knee fucking anything but he would just stand there take it and get tkod or kod was a big down fall for him.
Borne ? With an e ? The first 12 years of a life are a persons formative years, the only way your argument can make any sense is if you put your fingers in your ears and wail like a banshee. Your ridiculous argument about Jamaican genetics would necessitate the complete revision of thousands of medals the world over. You are moving the goalposts. Your question asked who is the greatest British Heavyweight of all time and now you are disqualifying a British born Athlete who refers to himself as British because you have your knickers in a twist over the paucity of Canadian talent. Where did the genetics that make Wladimir Klitschko and David Price such huge "brutes" come from ? Jamaica ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Yeah he was borne and lived in England as a kid but his formative years were spent in Canada, where he also learned to box. And the genetics that made him a huge brute of a man came from Jamaica. So I don't really see what England had to do with making Lennox the boxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Well I think you're getting too caught up in the "genetics" thing, it was more of a throwaway point to show that he didn't even really have deep British roots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I'm not moving the goal post at all, I'm making it very clear where I stand and what I'm saying to you: was Lennox Lewis a British citizen? Sure. And as far as I know he still lives over there.
What I'm saying to you, in no uncertain or ambiguous terms, is that England had absolutely nothing to do with producing Lennox THE BOXER. He learned to box in Canada, represented Canada in the Olympics as opposed to England, and then trained in America with Manny Steward.
Was Lennox born in England? YES. Does Lennox consider himself British? YES. Does Lennox speak with a British accent? YES. I'm not disputing any of those things.
Lennox the boxer isn't a product of England. Straight up. It'd be like saying Arturo Gatti is an Italian boxer.
Did Gatti return to Italy and fight for the Italian Belt ? Do you really think you can get to 12 years old in the East End without having a fight? What do you think returning to England to become a pro actually signified then? Fighting in York Hall on Bethnal Green, The Royal Albert Hall,Crystal Palace,Hull,Gateshead,Sheffield,Cardiff and Wembley is what makes Lewis a product of Britain. He was taught as an amateur in Canada by a RomanianQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerWell I think you're getting too caught up in the "genetics" thing, it was more of a throwaway point to show that he didn't even really have deep British roots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I'm not moving the goal post at all, I'm making it very clear where I stand and what I'm saying to you: was Lennox Lewis a British citizen? Sure. And as far as I know he still lives over there.
What I'm saying to you, in no uncertain or ambiguous terms, is that England had absolutely nothing to do with producing Lennox THE BOXER. He learned to box in Canada, represented Canada in the Olympics as opposed to England, and then trained in America with Manny Steward.
Was Lennox born in England? YES. Does Lennox consider himself British? YES. Does Lennox speak with a British accent? YES. I'm not disputing any of those things.
Lennox the boxer isn't a product of England. Straight up. It'd be like saying Arturo Gatti is an Italian boxer.
before the American John Davenport trained him for 19 fights. Then later his British Promoter Maloney brought Steward in to train his British based British Boxer. To claim that Lennox the boxer is not a product of England is like claiming that Amir Khan is not British because his parents are Pakistani and he trained with Freddy Roach in America.
I could be wrong...but isn't the British Royal Family really German or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1Lennox is as British as the Queen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
"My mum took me to Canada when I was 12, but I am British in my heart. There is a real fearlessness to the British that I feel. I came out of a dance in Canada when I was a teenager and about 30 kids came after me and my friend, and I said, ‘Let's stand our ground.' So we turned to these kids and said, ‘Come on then, let's have you.' And they all ran away, until there were just two or three left. In East London, that would never have happened. They'd have stayed together and beaten me up." Lennox Lewis
That would suggest he got his fighting spirit from being born and raised in Britain. Maybe if he was born and raised in Canada he'd never have even become a boxer.
why is there so much talk about where lewis was from?
bruno was miles better so it doesnt matter
True, but maybe if he was raised in Britain he would have been a mediocre boxer like most of the other HW's England produces hehehe. Him and Audley might have been fighting this weekend!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I wouldn't know lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TigerFanI could be wrong...but isn't the British Royal Family really German or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1Lennox is as British as the Queen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
thing is most of the HWs from ever country in the world are mediocre/plop, that doesnt set britain appartQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerTrue, but maybe if he was raised in Britain he would have been a mediocre boxer like most of the other HW's England produces hehehe. Him and Audley might have been fighting this weekend!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
what does set britain appart from every other country is that theres only one bruno, and hes English
Now now Greenz you're being a silly goose and you're grasping at straws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
You can't compare having a few fights on the cobbles as a young bloke to actually learning the sweet science. You don't learn anything about boxing that way.
The Amir Khan comparison is rubbish too, because Khan grew up and learned to box in England. If Lennox Lewis grew up and learned to box in England and then moved to Canada and refined his skill, I wouldn't be arguing the point with you. But he never laced up a boxing glove until he came to Canada, so at best he's 1/4 British as a fighter.
Yeah that's true but England has been hurting for great fighters for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I do love Frank Bruno though.
ive got absolutely no idea what youre on aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerYeah that's true but England has been hurting for great fighters for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I do love Frank Bruno though.
its good to hear you agree that bruno is the best lb4lb fighter of all time tho, you obviously know your shit
did you read fensters post above? Lewis said that all canadians are gay, think about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerNow now Greenz you're being a silly goose and you're grasping at straws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
You can't compare having a few fights on the cobbles as a young bloke to actually learning the sweet science. You don't learn anything about boxing that way.
The Amir Khan comparison is rubbish too, because Khan grew up and learned to box in England. If Lennox Lewis grew up and learned to box in England and then moved to Canada and refined his skill, I wouldn't be arguing the point with you. But he never laced up a boxing glove until he came to Canada, so at best he's 1/4 British as a fighter.
Lewis picked the British side for financial reasons, I covered this quite extensively in Appendix C of the "Lewis the Wannabe Limey" report.