Re: Hopkins moving down in weight
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Silkeyjoe
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IamInuit
There is really nothing in it at this stage for the legacy of his opponent no matter who it is and as @
Fenster correctly points out, its not that big a fight cash wise either. And if he were to beat you......
The Welsh would have a field day;D
Good luck promoting that one. Everyone in boxing saw what happened. The man has zero left outside his own mind. He never won a round. Any credibility that was left was taken last Saturday. I mean seriously all of a sudden at 50 175 is to big:confused: Thats a rationalization of a deluded mind and almost all greats fall prey to it. "I know I got one more left"
And lol @ Floyd
Other boxing circles are suggesting the Kazak. I just cant see it. He saw what happened and has to much self respect to pick up the bat and hit that horse one more time.
This is harsh. He was clearly the smaller man v Kov and has no power at the weight. I have no doubt 168 would be a much better weight for him. Saying he had nothing left is just wrong. He comfortably beat Murat, Shumenov and Cloud in his 3 fights previous who are all probably top 20 light heavies. He also beat Pascal who is a top 10 LHW. He just got beat by a better fighter hands down. I dont think age had much to do with the loss and still think a Hopkins of 5 or 10 years ago would have lost to Kov.
Looking at boxrecs top 10 SMW there are plenty who Hopkins would still be trouble for. THe Dirrel brothers, Sturm Stieglitz and Abraham and hed be a nightmare for Chavez Jr.
Harsh? Nah thats reality. With all respect to Kov he is not that good. That is to say to shut out an anywhere near in good boxing health Hopkins. Ironically after all of these years of expecting him to grow old overnight, he actually did at 50. He's done. The demarcation line between 168 and 175 is a few more steaks. Its not as if he's going to melt down at age 50 and then go and find smaller and weaker men. Frochs as big as Kovalev. He's not going to fight just anyone either as stated in the article. He's having an internal scrap with his ego just like Roy and we've all seen what has happened there. He's accumulated 26+ years of hubris. Pepp and Moore also shared that same illness and many others that were nowhere near 3 decades in the sport.
Re: Hopkins moving down in weight
Re: Hopkins moving down in weight
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Hulk
The problem with going down in weight is that the opponents will be FASTER and 50 year old Bernard will have to cut weight. That's a terrible combination.
He weighed in 173 for the Kov fight. I seriously doubt he cut any weight for the fight. 168 would not be a weight cut that would weaken him. I cant imagine Hopkins walks around more then 180 normally
Re: Hopkins moving down in weight
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
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Originally Posted by
Silkeyjoe
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
There is really nothing in it at this stage for the legacy of his opponent no matter who it is and as @
Fenster correctly points out, its not that big a fight cash wise either. And if he were to beat you......
The Welsh would have a field day;D
Good luck promoting that one. Everyone in boxing saw what happened. The man has zero left outside his own mind. He never won a round. Any credibility that was left was taken last Saturday. I mean seriously all of a sudden at 50 175 is to big:confused: Thats a rationalization of a deluded mind and almost all greats fall prey to it. "I know I got one more left"
And lol @ Floyd
Other boxing circles are suggesting the Kazak. I just cant see it. He saw what happened and has to much self respect to pick up the bat and hit that horse one more time.
This is harsh. He was clearly the smaller man v Kov and has no power at the weight. I have no doubt 168 would be a much better weight for him. Saying he had nothing left is just wrong. He comfortably beat Murat, Shumenov and Cloud in his 3 fights previous who are all probably top 20 light heavies. He also beat Pascal who is a top 10 LHW. He just got beat by a better fighter hands down. I dont think age had much to do with the loss and still think a Hopkins of 5 or 10 years ago would have lost to Kov.
Looking at boxrecs top 10 SMW there are plenty who Hopkins would still be trouble for. THe Dirrel brothers, Sturm Stieglitz and Abraham and hed be a nightmare for Chavez Jr.
Harsh? Nah thats reality. With all respect to Kov he is not that good. That is to say to shut out an anywhere near in good boxing health Hopkins. Ironically after all of these years of expecting him to grow old overnight, he actually did at 50. He's done. The demarcation line between 168 and 175 is a few more steaks. Its not as if he's going to melt down at age 50 and then go and find smaller and weaker men. Frochs as big as Kovalev. He's not going to fight just anyone either as stated in the article. He's having an internal scrap with his ego just like Roy and we've all seen what has happened there. He's accumulated 26+ years of hubris. Pepp and Moore also shared that same illness and many others that were nowhere near 3 decades in the sport.
Whats your logic behind Froch at 168 being as big as Kov at 175 ???
Re: Hopkins moving down in weight
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Originally Posted by
Silkeyjoe
He weighed in 173 for the Kov fight. I seriously doubt he cut any weight for the fight. 168 would not be a weight cut that would weaken him. I cant imagine Hopkins walks around more then 180 normally
He came into the fight at 183 or so. It's not an impossible cut, but for a 50 year old who has been at 175 for the last 10 years or so, even those 7lbs extra could be a bad situation for him.
Re: Hopkins moving down in weight
The only reason he would go down in weight is to win a trinket for his legacy. He was a very small middleweight when he fought Oscar. He could do it for the right fight.
Re: Hopkins moving down in weight
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Master
The only reason he would go down in weight is to win a trinket for his legacy. He was a very small middleweight when he fought Oscar. He could do it for the right fight.
Hopkins started as a light-heavyweight and then lived at the gym literally and cut to 160. He maintained 160 by being a gym rat and became a natural middle as a result because he was in fighting shape all of the time. Other mids at the time packed a lot of water and although some may have been heavier at fight time they were not really bigger. In his middleweight prime Hop had about a 2% body fat ratio. That was a lifetime ago in this sport.
But he's been up way to long and gone to the well to many times my friend. Besides look how he was Saturday. He was absolutely shut out and looked lethargic and gun shy. Shit he looked gun shy against Murat. If he took that kind of weight off at this point he he'd look like Oscar against Manny only worse.
Just stand him up in the ring and nail his feet to the floor. Look at what it did to Dawson.
Re: Hopkins moving down in weight
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
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Originally Posted by
Master
The only reason he would go down in weight is to win a trinket for his legacy. He was a very small middleweight when he fought Oscar. He could do it for the right fight.
Hopkins started as a light-heavyweight and then lived at the gym literally and cut to 160. He maintained 160 by being a gym rat and became a natural middle as a result because he was in fighting shape all of the time. Other mids at the time packed a lot of water and although some may have been heavier at fight time they were not really bigger. In his middleweight prime Hop had about a 2% body fat ratio. That was a lifetime ago in this sport.
But he's been up way to long and gone to the well to many times my friend. Besides look how he was Saturday. He was absolutely shut out and looked lethargic and gun shy. Shit he looked gun shy against Murat. If he took that kind of weight off at this point he he'd look like Oscar against Manny only worse.
Just stand him up in the ring and nail his feet to the floor. Look at what it did to Dawson.
You are right. It would be a massive mistake for him to try and come down.
