Duran vs Mayorga at welter...

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Originally Posted by fan johnny

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Originally Posted by ross

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Originally Posted by fan johnny

Mayorga was all heart and a great fighter and like ward and Gatti they were all over-achievers that didn't quite have the talent to make it to the elite level in boxing. Duran had too much skill for mayorga.

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Ok...

Mayorga was the undisputed Welter weight champion! How is that not elite:rolleyes:

How would Duran have done against Forrest?

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Mayorga doesn't get into most anyone's top ten lists for his era and n other into the top 100 so I say that keeps him out of being labeled an elite. He was a great fighter not a great boxer. His biggest asset was his heart, followed by his power. His best win arguably was against forest some will say mosley. He was no match for Duran. Duran against forest I imagine he'd have a hard time but eventually ko forest unless forest decided he needed to stay outside and run to survive.

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Referring to Mosley not being instructed to a neutral corner before his last second KO? ;D That was shady for sure, I was surprised it didn't get talked about a little more at the time. I think the way the cards went Mosley would have won a UD anyways. I do think Mayorga was up in that fight, Mosley had been pretty crap but did manage to close the show.

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Originally Posted by fan johnny

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Originally Posted by ross

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Originally Posted by fan johnny

Mayorga was all heart and a great fighter and like ward and Gatti they were all over-achievers that didn't quite have the talent to make it to the elite level in boxing. Duran had too much skill for mayorga.

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Ok...

Mayorga was the undisputed Welter weight champion! How is that not elite:rolleyes:

How would Duran have done against Forrest?

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Mayorga doesn't get into most anyone's top ten lists for his era and n other into the top 100 so I say that keeps him out of being labeled an elite. He was a great fighter not a great boxer. His biggest asset was his heart, followed by his power. His best win arguably was against forest some will say mosley. He was no match for Duran. Duran against forest I imagine he'd have a hard time but eventually ko forest unless forest decided he needed to stay outside and run to survive.

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Mayorga didnt;)

I Mayorga a bigger puncher or better fighter than Pipino Cuevas ? I don't think so and Duran KOED Pipino at WW.
I stick to my opinion of Duran by KO.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

I Mayorga a bigger puncher or better fighter than Pipino Cuevas ? I don't think so and Duran KOED Pipino at WW.
I stick to my opinion of Duran by KO.

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Cuevas had a better career yes. But being a bigger puncher is up to debate. Crisper yes, but our Mayorga had/has those clubbing shots that come from octopus-angles who hurt his opponents real bad. Also Mayorga is slightly bigger, depending on the same day weigh-ins, Cuevas a smaller man. Cuevas would have been manhandled the same way he was against Duran, no problem.

It's all about the weight for me. P4P, I rate Duran light-years above Mayorga... no comparison. But facts are facts. Duran was otherworldly as a lightweight. It wasn't even fair to throw fellow lightweights into the ring with him... sort of like throwing raw steaks into the lion's cage.

But at 147, we're talking several divisions above Duran's peak weight, and in Mayorga's wheelhouse. I'm not saying Mayorga would've beat Duran, because I would've bet on Duran. But to think Duran would just blow Mayorga out of the ring is a bit unrealistic. Mayorga DID have a tremendous chin. He had that warrior mentality... wasn't afraid to get hit as long as he could get in his tremendous shots. He had chin and he had power.... AND he was the naturally bigger man.

But he was a bit wild, whereas Duran was savage, but controlled and much more accurate. And you're talking warrior against warrior. I'd watch these two fight as many times as they wanted to fight. In the end though, I'd favor Duran by decision or late stoppage.

B class fighter v an elite one.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

B class fighter v an elite one.

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That is it in a nutshell. Sure, all things being equal the bigger man should win but things are not equal here in the slightest.