TYSON,the most over rated fighter of all time,what did he ever do?

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Originally Posted by The Game

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Originally Posted by BIG H

I don 't subscribe to all the crap about Tyson being overrrated, I just think everybody has short memories and remembers him for fights when he was already a shot fighter i.e after 89. It's like remembering Ali against Holmes or Berwick. I know Tyson was still at prime age, but he was ravaged by his own demons and almost certainly drugs! What he has become should not detract from what he was and had he retired after knocking out Spinks everybody on this site would have him as a top 5 all-time heavyweight.

People will now say... who did he beat? Well who did Demsey, Louis, Marciano or Jack Johnson beat. The heavyweight division has always been dominated by one or rwo fighters who were far superior to the rest!! Apart from the Early -Mid nineties and the early seventies, I think Tyson's era is as good as as bad as any other - so I don't subscribe to the "poor opposition" argument either

Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of the guy, but even our resident expert Mr Britkid has previously said that during the late eighties he would've had Tyson up there as one of the all-time greats, but now he doesn't. You should rank people based on their prime or else Muhammad Ali, Ray Robinson, Roy Jones, Larry Holmes, Eric Morales (and just about every other fighter that didn't know when to pack it in) is overrated!!!

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cc well said mate

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Back at ya m8 ;)

to say tyson is overrated just shows you don't know the whole carreer of tyson...the judgement of him being overated must be coming from your personal oppinion on him...or on his late performance...this guy put boxing back on the map...the whole world knew who he was...he was the baddest man in the world...destroyed every oppenent he face...attracted more boxing fan then any heavyweights of today combine...the fight with buster...you can tell mike wasn't 100% prepared for that fight he just lost it mentally...if it weren't for don king mike would of still been in good hands and shape mentally physically etc etc...king fed him a lot of bs...in a case that mike lost focus on boxing and became more interested in expressing his mind...also the man when to prison...there was just so much destraction that took his mind out of boxing.....(converting to islam, rape case, etc....) if young tyson had never been involved with those...he would of stay focus and continue to k.o the eff outta eRrbody.....

why is Tyson's skills and his mental issues and personal decisions always seperated? Tyson was all of those things he was a talented fighter with lots of personal demons and who made poor decisions in his personal and professional life. His skills and the person he is are not to seperate things. All of these characteristtics make up Tyson not just the ones that are positive. The world is full of talented people who for one reason or another didn't control their personal issues and utterly failed. And just b/c he was hugely popular , exciting and "put boxing back on the map" doesn't equate to being a great fighter. I think its b/c he was those things that people it often overshadows the fact that all in all compared to other great champions he wasn't as good as he is often portrayed

Gotta laugh at the number of people going down on this guy. He started out good, but when the going got rough he crumbled. IMO mediocre at best.

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Originally Posted by •°¤*(¯`°~Starr~°´¯)* ¤Ã‚°â€¢

What has he done?

More then Calzaghe ;)

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Agreed. Tyson did go to prison & he did indeed bite of a chunk of another man's ear.

In all truthitude...I will always think that Tyson was decent but not a GOAT.

Tyson was more of a media made mythos than anything else...sure he looked great beating up bums & nobodies...but live wires really just humiliated Tyson & he fell apart.

That's not a great fighter. Fighters like that are a dime a dozen...but you couple that with the way that he & the media painted him...you got a heavy weight star.

Simple as that. Tyson's only worthy accomplishment IWO was winning the title @ such a young age.

That's it.

That is not all though Wack, that is the pessimistic view of it. You are telling me you have seen someone so big with so much speed,power and the bobbing/weaving was at times amazing! True,he fought bums but everyone does at the beginning of their career and you only beat who is put in front of you and that is what he did.
Yes,he crumbled but I would bet my house that had Cus D'amato,Jim Jacobs or even Kevin Rooney stayed with him until the end, we would be talking about an all time great. He just crushed his opponents,his power struck fear in to them! I guess he is slightly over rated in that we did not see the best of him for long enough but what we did see was frightening and had he carried on, I am certain he would have cleaned this generation out easily too!
He had it all,power,speed,defence and one of the best uppercuts I have ever seen.Period. O0

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Originally Posted by The Game

That is not all though Wack, that is the pessimistic view of it. You are telling me you have seen someone so big with so much speed,power and the bobbing/weaving was at times amazing! True,he fought bums but everyone does at the beginning of their career and you only beat who is put in front of you and that is what he did.
  Yes,he crumbled but I would bet my house that had Cus D'amato,Jim Jacobs or even Kevin Rooney stayed with him until the end, we would be talking about an all time great. He just crushed his opponents,his power struck fear in to them! I guess he is slightly over rated in that we did not see the best of him for long enough but what we did see was frightening and had he carried on, I am certain he would have cleaned this generation out easily too!
  He had it all,power,speed,defence and one of the best uppercuts I have ever seen.Period. O0

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right on dude!!! 8)

;D Dam straight bro :coolclick: for agreeing,glad you see the light. O0

once again a thread to bash Tyson...

yes this guy was a fraud for you that's why he has a astonishing pedigree.

That's why people talks about evander as the man who beat Tyson (if Tyson is so bad why is it THE reference for Evander?)

That's why everybody knows the name of Tyson

That's why the boxers and people who knows boxing knew that Tyson was really really gifted and an awesome machine who went wrong at some points.

That's Why Ali (which is mentionned as the greatest by Porky) always praised Tyson's skills

My favortie quote is "Green showed the limit if Tyson" dam if getting the beating of your life during 10 rounds is equal to performing well ^^

Ok I guess that I'm too tired, but another subject on that topic...about someone who won the title at 20 and unified the tittle....

Not the greatest, not the underrated clubfighter you wanna try to demonstrate neither.

cc Seb,good post!!!

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

man it seems like this is discussed weekly. I have very mixed feelings about Tyson's placement in history. Tyson's wins are against mostly average fighters. Not that this is his fault and not that many fighters(marciano, Louis,holmes etc) don't have the same dilemma in regards to their legacy. I think quite often it wasn't who he beat but the electrifying way he did it. I often ask myself if Tyson was a defensive master who out pointed and embarrassed fighters would we feel the same way? If he was the pernell whitaker of the HW era would he have such a fan base? Tyson embodied what we as fans want in our champion. I think people quite often get wrapped up in the sheer entertainment value of Tyson. His wins over Berbick, Smith, Tucker, Ruddock, tubbs, thomas, biggs etc are impressive in that he cleaned out a division and in the manner he did them but the actual opposition is really just slightly better than average. Tyson has two great wins: the destruction of Spinks and Holmes. Although Holmes went on to several more decent wins I don't think anyone will argue that he was the same man who himself had cleaned out a division. And I don't think we will ever know why spinks gave such a sorry performance. The biggest problem with grading Tyson's career is that his "prime" was so short. He didn't face any truly good HW's in their prime until late in his career. Obviously Tyson's management decisions and personal demons had a lot to do with his decline as a fighter, but this is a part of who Tyson was as a fighter. He simply didn't have the dedication and focus of other great HW's. I look at him alot like Bowe. They both had all the skills to be ATG's but couldn't capitalize. I don't judge Tyson's career after the Lewis fighter b/c it was obvious he didn't care. That being said whether or not he came in poorly prepared he was beaten soundly by douglas, holy, and Lewis. Great fighters rise to the occasion and Tyson didn't. When he met fighters who weren't intimidated, were bigger, had a decent jab and could back him up and tie him up he was definately frustrated. Tyson is one of the greatest power punchers ever, and arguably the most exciting fighter ever. He will stand as an icon in boxing of what might of been, but in my personal oppinion not an all time great fighter .

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Right on.

We can say that Tyson may have been one of the greatest physical specimens of all time. Boxing is so much more then this. A boxer must be sharp and tough mentally as well, and they must rise to the occasion when things are not going there way.

This is why Ali is great... he never quit, and often prevailed when the man infront of him was physically better and younger. When the odds had him behind, he didn't give a damn and he prevailed with whatever he could make work for him.

If you call Tyson overrated because of the era he was in that you cannot fault him for. Then fighters like Marciano and Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey are overrated because of the era's they were in and Vitali Klitschko is even more overrated because he was in an even weaker era and never defended his title against true opposition. Tyson was the most dominant heavyweight of his era and deserves as much credit. Part of the era was taken from him because of his mistakes outside the ring but take nothing away from him. Because the knowledge is that if he had stayed retired after the Spinks fight, nobody would be calling him overrated today and they try to mirror the Tyson who fought late 90's early 00's as the Tyson who fought in the 80's and early 90's and you can't because there's a different mentality and different circumstances.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

In all truthitude...I will always think that Tyson was decent but not a GOAT.

Tyson was more of a media made mythos than anything else...sure he looked great beating up bums & nobodies...but live wires really just humiliated Tyson & he fell apart.

That's not a great fighter. Fighters like that are a dime a dozen...but you couple that with the way that he & the media painted him...you got a heavy weight star.

Simple as that. Tyson's only worthy accomplishment IWO was winning the title @ such a young age.

That's it.

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o come on man! what planet are you from?


"Tyson was more of a media made mythos than anything else...sure he looked great beating up bums & nobodies...but live wires really just humiliated Tyson & he fell apart."

razor was a bum. bone crusher was a bum. tyrel was a bum. etc , etc............ he beat everyone around, and yet he was a bum? that is retarded. watch that berbick fight. "yea, mike was all hype"......... ::)

best ever? maybe not. best of his time no doubt. i say desree "the ho" ruined it all. buster got him, but desiree (or whatever that sluts name was/is) ruined mike. i hated mike untill she came along( o , and don "the crook" king.)

"TYSON,the most over rated fighter of all time"

is there a "dumbest post of the year award" on this site?

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

that's not my point, Joe might be overrated but he's not thought of on Tyson levels, who is? Nobody but the Ali's, SRL's, Hagler's, SSR, Hearns, and Tyson, who out of that group doesn't belong there? Tyson.

and what did Tyson really do to be thought of that highly, that's the point of being overrated, you're thought of as being on a level when your accomplishments haven't proved that you've deserved to be that high

nobody thinks of Calzaghe that highly, Tyson's a freaking icon, Calzaghe couldn't be farther from that status. Neither of them have done enough to deserve it but Tyson has reached that status, that's overrated.

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They don't put old Tyson in the same category with the greats nor do I. They place his potential, and younger years against Ali and Frazier and Foreman. What Tyson did was throw fast combinations very hard, and he had good technique. It's like with Roy Jones you don't compare the competition they faced you compare how fast and hard they hit, and in Roy's case how he took apart enemies to demonstrate how they would have beaten the greats of old.