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SlimTrae
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
There's a fundamental difference. Jews are an ethnic group, Islam is an ideology.
You can question and challenge ideology, how can and why would you do the same to a race?
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It isnt any different. You asked how is it different, it isnt.
I think...then we are in agreement on this.
Only thing is these western fruit cake christian extremists go after what suits their own sick bent.
(IMO-In America- events that are by Muslims labeled as Extremists-are taken to mean basically ALL Muslims. Where as in America any event done by an American in the name of Christianity-are labeled as an (individual)-that to me is hypocritical.
They go after the goverment over rights, other races over domination,
In America when this happens-the line is drawn vividly-99% of the time by philosophy--
Conservative vs Liberal case in point:
A dude named Bundy asserts " I don't recognize the United States government as even existing"
So he refuses the authority to regulate his grazing with fees even though Federal courts have consistently ruled against Bundy since 1993..
Follow me here- Those who agree with him? Are Christians whose political leanings are Conservative-so end result is the Bundy's of America are friggin' heros to the Right Winged America- Not radical.
The Right wing of the Republican Americans support his right to say up yours to the government. Its NOT RADICAL TO THEM---ITS an American standing up, feel me?
Some go after children over their own sexual repression,
In America, it is predominantly the Catholic church caught in child sex scandal with adults claiming it for decades- but when it happens -these religious leaders are simply moved to another parish & now the Catholic Church wants to file bankruptcy because of the hundreds of millions of dollars they given up to these cases- My Point:
The Church doesn't take the rap as a Pedophile Church or Pedophile religion. The individual does.
I wonder if Mosques were guilty of this, would we limit it to the Mosque leader? Or say it represents ALL MUSLIMS therefore we have to root these pedophiles out...Not send them to another mosque to fuck up more heads...
and some go out singularly as serial killers and go out after prostitutes or gay sex workers as they think its justified from within their book and they are doing Gods work :rolleyes: . Then theres the ones who murder doctors and receptionists over pro life issues. They are all Christian extremeists but we KNOW IT. No need to label them we fucking know.
If there is no need to label a Christian an extremist- then there is no need to label a Muslim one.
Another example:rolleyes: If Hitler believed in Christ & he did...his followers were written about by their name :Nazi's..not radical Christians. Same to me with Al Queada or ISIS, label them that-not radical (MUSLIMS) because people who don't have your objectivity Andre...blanket the whole religion.
It doesnt mean all within the religion are guilty which is the implication and a stupid one,that is not the point.
-To an objective person such as yourself...what about the subjective minded?
Even though they didnt target Muslims it doesnt make them any different either, I dont get any of the comparison attempts.
I only meant to compare how Christians who commit crimes are seen as individuals, but Muslims it seems to be their way of life. Sorry I failed to explain it clearly.
Aside from maybe the crusades and also our government actions for business against Muslim run countries over oil and those controls connected to Christian based governments,that is a valid point;but has nothing to do with going after the problem (Extremists) where they are being brain washed into action within our own societies).
We disagree here. These governments set up military bases provoking the sick and evil ones looking for a fight. We can't stop evil people from brainwashing-but we can minimize their reasons by non-interventionists-which President Reagan's philosophy. Tony Blair, George Bush and Barrack Obama have done the opposite- they have fanned the flames.
In our country we have seen kids get taken into jihad class through 'a religion'. Not some fools who already fight for it and are wanna be Muslims, they are already are in each case and they go into it via the reverse to what you stated there.(Home grown terrorism Im talking about the threat on our own streets against our public).
In America, when a mosque was about to be built close to Ground Zero 9-11 a political fight broke out - we have Americans who feel Mosques shouldn't be built by certain monuments. Your nation seems more lax..So I understand your point here.
(Brings up another question do we let them back into our countries once they have finished fighting for Isis or whoever they have gone overseas to fight for)?
If you can catch a person leaving for a battle-ridden nation,,,hell they azz should have a one-way visa. OUT and not back in...that's just my opinion.
There is an underground movement sweeping beneath a religion searching for young men to brain wash into Jihad and dirty political work under the guise of Gods work.
It isnt a question of is that true or is it false ?< If you wish.
Not my point. I think here...you've taken my point out of context.
Out here in Sydney and Melbourne we have had two Clerics Mullahs or whatever they are called who have done exactly that and been caught at it,we are talking about the largest Mosque in Melbourne its in Brunswick, they had them going out the back door, not sure about the Sydney one.
(That's bad man, I feel for you bro..)
I dont know where they are working within your communities, but these extremists are not fishing for disciples in schools, street gangs or biker shops so you tell me where do we go to nip them in the bud?
Terrorism is an idea- how do you kill an idea? You can't. But we can limit the governments who pay a terrorist one year for their interests..then when these fools go major...now they cry terrorists.
Our law enforcement undercover or not and the Muslim community, need to find them where they are fishing and snap their rods and lock them away in re education.
I agree...so to, should we do that to the politicians who stoke the flames.
Its like single case and organized pedophilia within the English and Roman church sections who ran homes for children out here, we eventually knew it was there and well organized and so we went after it.
As above...we didn't we just rotated them..
No one tried pointing at other religions or reasons for and against or tried saying well its also in Goverment run childrens homes; does that make it right to mention only the Catholic Church in this case?
If the church is doing it constantly at what point do we see its mostly a catholic thing, not a Jehovahs Witness thing or a Baptist...we go after it like you said...where there incubators for pedos are.
Im just saying it was there within the religion and people from within it and law enforcement from outside of it went for it,through the people effected.
No one said:hang on,what about those dudes in orange dresses at the airports with the necklaces you dont say it about them do you? They are fat men in dresses they have to be held accountable too. (There is the same mentality as broad scoping the whole of religion and saying you cant say that about just one religion.)
Truth is in there sort of, but you still have to look at the raw facts and wake the fuck up and go after them now,exactly where they are working and go hard after them; or they will go under ground and continue to grow elsewhere, just like the organized peds have done, they just got moved out to third world locations where you can buy your way in and out.
Now in those cases the finger points overseas instead of here at home and only a handful of very old pedophiles from here stayed and many got jailed. Now we are clearer in Australia except for some older cases but now the finger points into Mex, Peru some African spots beyond our jurisdiction. Same will occur in this case, then you can point outside your country, but still not outside the religions that harbor it and dont attempt to rout it out themselves from on high within.
