Bad Stoppages.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Lays what out? Someone using conjecture and a clear agenda to make a groundless assertion? Where are all the complaints from Calzaghe's opponents? Ask Woodhall what he thinks? The OP even admits not to having seen Joe pre Lacy, which is about 85/90% of his career.

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I admitted to having not seen MUCH of Joe pre Lacy, not having not seen anything at all of his career pre-Lacy. I don't see how I had a "clear agenda", seeing as how I blatantly said that I thought he was a great boxer and that I never thought for a second that any of those guys would have beaten him.

I simply saw a compilation on Youtube of a collection of what I thought were bad stoppages and posted it to spark discussion on the topic (hence the "?" in the thread title). Don't see how I'm the bad guy there.

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I don't think you are the bad guy but that if you go into a hypothetical situation wanting to prove something then you will find evidence to support it. The Video you posted is complied from that perspective and so of course supports your theory if you look at it that way. I get to some degree why a lot of people don't really get Calzaghe but to just drag up the tired Slappy thing is a bit telling.

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"a bit telling" .... there he goes again.

Joey C was known to throw some slaps from time to time, I mean come on.

Per search engine AOL I typed : bad stoppages to see what others have. To my surprise the 1st was this thread @ Saddo.
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What are some bad stoppages or even questionable that could've continued, but you felt the ref was justified. Here is a stoppage I questioned Walker.


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What are some bad stoppages or even questionable that could've continued, but you felt the ref was justified. Here is a stoppage I questioned Walker.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Joey C was known to throw some slaps from time to time, I mean come on.

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Yeah for sure. He is a favourite of mine but he definitely slapped.
Early in his career though the slaps were rare (but still a tendency) and he was heavy handed. He only tended to slap at the end of a multiple punch assault.
Around the time he fought Byron Mitchell he still had good power but the slaps were more prominent. Then from around the Salem fight (one or two before Lacy if I recall right) his hands were dust and he did slap a lot.
The thing is he COULD still throw good straight shots but as well as the potential to damage his hands he felt that accumulation was the best tactic.
He did though keep power in his body shots throughout.. It was a body shot in the 8th that tipped things his way conclusively against Kessler.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2E6sGjNGo4


Geez folks.
If pointing out a Calzaghe fight to say it was a bad stoppage constitutes hatin', there sure as hell are a lot of thin skins around here.

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If someone stands up for the Calzaghe/Manfredo stoppage, then we can exclude their opinion. That was an awful stoppage.

Yeah the Brits get real precious when it comes to Calzaghe. And to be fair nobody is evening criticizing Calzaghe, it's not his fault if the ref jumps in early. And again I'll say all those guys who might have gotten a bad stoppage... Calzaghe whips and probably finishes them anyway. All the refs really did in those cases was save them from a few more rounds of punishment. Manfredo had no chance vs Joe.

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I was there at the Manfredo fight and it was a horrible stoppage for sure.

The thing is though people see that and assume that was what it was like in his earlier career but it wasn't the case at all.

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Cassius Clay vs. Sonny Liston II

It was obvious that Sonny 'tripped' over his big feet, and crashed his head into the canvas.

Jersey Joe Walcott {Clueless Joe} should have halted the bout, and have a Doctor check
Sonny's head for trauma.

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Liston ate a good right hand. Not strong enough to KO Liston. Sonny just flat quit. Walcott did the right thing. He can't start the count until Clay went to a corner. He stool over Liston the whole time. It was Nat Fleischer who was at ring side telling Walcott the fight was over because Liston was on the canvas than 10 sec.

Muhammad Ali vs. Ron Lyle

Horrible stoppage for a Heavyweight World Championship.

Ron was ahead on '2' of the Scorecards, and was obviously giving Muhammad a very
tough time.

Ron got staggered in Round 11, but was not about to get KO'd, as he was only 'stunned'.

Muhammad had punched himself out while wailing away on Ron who was pinned
in the back-right Corner.

"Bad Stoppage"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2E6sGjNGo4


Geez folks.
If pointing out a Calzaghe fight to say it was a bad stoppage constitutes hatin', there sure as hell are a lot of thin skins around here.

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If someone stands up for the Calzaghe/Manfredo stoppage, then we can exclude their opinion. That was an awful stoppage.

Yeah the Brits get real precious when it comes to Calzaghe. And to be fair nobody is evening criticizing Calzaghe, it's not his fault if the ref jumps in early. And again I'll say all those guys who might have gotten a bad stoppage... Calzaghe whips and probably finishes them anyway. All the refs really did in those cases was save them from a few more rounds of punishment. Manfredo had no chance vs Joe.

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I was there at the Manfredo fight and it was a horrible stoppage for sure.

The thing is though people see that and assume that was what it was like in his earlier career but it wasn't the case at all.

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Man I bet. You probably was just sitting down, ready to watch some good stuff, then outta nowhere fight is over. :-\

Canelo over Gomez! WTF

Every stoppage on that Calzaghe video was awful, shameful really. Anyone that argues otherwise is biased.

That doesn't change his greatness. It just shows why people should fight at home because those were terrible.

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Every stoppage on that Calzaghe video was awful, shameful really. Anyone that argues otherwise is biased.

That doesn't change his greatness. It just shows why people should fight at home because those were terrible.

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JC is on my list for the thread of fighters that grew on us overtime because of those stoppages. Too much home cookin' for JC when I first saw him, but he left no doubt with Lacy & Kessler.

Roberto Duran vs. Ernesto Marcel

Ridiculous stoppage.