Re: Andy Lee - Billy Joe Saunders, who wins?
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Originally Posted by
Silkeyjoe
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Originally Posted by
ross
Unfortunately judges can be influenced by the crowd. Iv sat next to a judge who awarded the home favourite a fight he didn't deserve because 800 drunk locals were cheering for him. He actually said to me "we cant have him losing if we want to walk out"!
Now imagine a crowd of 20,000 probably half are travellers there to see Saunders beat Eubank.
One traveller right behind me in someone else's seat said if Saunders loses evacuate the building because its getting turned over.
That was one brave judge, going against the crowd and on a Warren show against a Warren fighter. Maybe he was the right one.
Thats completely different. Home fighters just dont lose fights on these small cards. Its all part of the game. They know the ticket seller needs to win so he can sell tickets for the next fight. Always the way with up and comers and always will be.
Kristian Laight - Boxer
This guy is good enough to have beaten at least 50% of his fights but he knows if he does he wont get a call to fight the next week and wont make his livelihood.
The excuse of Saunders being a home fighter and there was loads of travellers at the fight for Eubank losing is just pathetic. He lost because he got his tactics wrong and started far too slow. Plain and simple.
It should have been a draw at worse for Eubank.
For all the criticism of Eubank doing nothing in the first 5 rounds why not criticise Saunders for doing nothing in the last 7?
Re: Andy Lee - Billy Joe Saunders, who wins?
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Originally Posted by
Silkeyjoe
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Originally Posted by
ross
Unfortunately judges can be influenced by the crowd. Iv sat next to a judge who awarded the home favourite a fight he didn't deserve because 800 drunk locals were cheering for him. He actually said to me "we cant have him losing if we want to walk out"!
Now imagine a crowd of 20,000 probably half are travellers there to see Saunders beat Eubank.
One traveller right behind me in someone else's seat said if Saunders loses evacuate the building because its getting turned over.
That was one brave judge, going against the crowd and on a Warren show against a Warren fighter. Maybe he was the right one.
Thats completely different. Home fighters just dont lose fights on these small cards. Its all part of the game. They know the ticket seller needs to win so he can sell tickets for the next fight. Always the way with up and comers and always will be.
Kristian Laight - Boxer
This guy is good enough to have beaten at least 50% of his fights but he knows if he does he wont get a call to fight the next week and wont make his livelihood.
The excuse of Saunders being a home fighter and there was loads of travellers at the fight for Eubank losing is just pathetic. He lost because he got his tactics wrong and started far too slow. Plain and simple.
It should have been a draw at worse for Eubank.
For all the criticism of Eubank doing nothing in the first 5 rounds why not criticise Saunders for doing nothing in the last 7?
So Saunders v Lee who wins ?
Re: Andy Lee - Billy Joe Saunders, who wins?
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Originally Posted by
Silkeyjoe
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Originally Posted by
ross
Unfortunately judges can be influenced by the crowd. Iv sat next to a judge who awarded the home favourite a fight he didn't deserve because 800 drunk locals were cheering for him. He actually said to me "we cant have him losing if we want to walk out"!
Now imagine a crowd of 20,000 probably half are travellers there to see Saunders beat Eubank.
One traveller right behind me in someone else's seat said if Saunders loses evacuate the building because its getting turned over.
That was one brave judge, going against the crowd and on a Warren show against a Warren fighter. Maybe he was the right one.
Thats completely different. Home fighters just dont lose fights on these small cards. Its all part of the game. They know the ticket seller needs to win so he can sell tickets for the next fight. Always the way with up and comers and always will be.
Kristian Laight - Boxer
This guy is good enough to have beaten at least 50% of his fights but he knows if he does he wont get a call to fight the next week and wont make his livelihood.
The excuse of Saunders being a home fighter and there was loads of travellers at the fight for Eubank losing is just pathetic. He lost because he got his tactics wrong and started far too slow. Plain and simple.
It should have been a draw at worse for Eubank.
For all the criticism of Eubank doing nothing in the first 5 rounds why not criticise Saunders for doing nothing in the last 7?
Come on Ross, just when you were beginning to get over it! Saunders won the first 6 rounds, and people saying Eubank started slow are being kind to him. Eubank and his Dad (Ronnie is excused because he wasn't allowed to talk! :rolleyes:) had no answer on how to lay a glove on Saunders, he toyed with him. No clue what to do.
In the next 6 rounds, as Saunders tired, (which must be a concern for Saunders,)Saunders won 2, (the 11th and one other if I remember right, I'd have to watch again.) and Eubank to his credit showed good conditioning, stamina and aggression, but he was very very crude and a lot of his wild swings and lunges were missing or having little effect. It's about what lands.
I'm led to believe you're an ex-judge , and I'm sure a very good one, so I'm sure if you watch it again, on your own with no volume, you might see for yourself.
Re: Andy Lee - Billy Joe Saunders, who wins?
I had Eubanks winning 7-5, but it was close and I have no problem Saunders getting the decision. I think Eubanks knows he made a mistake and want the rectify his mistake but I think Saunders will also be better.
Re: Andy Lee - Billy Joe Saunders, who wins?
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Master
I had Eubanks winning 7-5, but it was close and I have no problem Saunders getting the decision. I think Eubanks knows he made a mistake and want the rectify his mistake but I think Saunders will also be better.
Exactly , it may well make him a better fighter.
Re: Andy Lee - Billy Joe Saunders, who wins?
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Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Master
I had Eubanks winning 7-5, but it was close and I have no problem Saunders getting the decision. I think Eubanks knows he made a mistake and want the rectify his mistake but I think Saunders will also be better.
Exactly , it may well make him a better fighter.
If I was Saunders I would make him wait and wind him up like Groves has De Gale.
Re: Andy Lee - Billy Joe Saunders, who wins?
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Originally Posted by
Silkeyjoe
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Originally Posted by
ross
Unfortunately judges can be influenced by the crowd. Iv sat next to a judge who awarded the home favourite a fight he didn't deserve because 800 drunk locals were cheering for him. He actually said to me "we cant have him losing if we want to walk out"!
Now imagine a crowd of 20,000 probably half are travellers there to see Saunders beat Eubank.
One traveller right behind me in someone else's seat said if Saunders loses evacuate the building because its getting turned over.
That was one brave judge, going against the crowd and on a Warren show against a Warren fighter. Maybe he was the right one.
Thats completely different. Home fighters just dont lose fights on these small cards. Its all part of the game. They know the ticket seller needs to win so he can sell tickets for the next fight. Always the way with up and comers and always will be.
Kristian Laight - Boxer
This guy is good enough to have beaten at least 50% of his fights but he knows if he does he wont get a call to fight the next week and wont make his livelihood.
The excuse of Saunders being a home fighter and there was loads of travellers at the fight for Eubank losing is just pathetic. He lost because he got his tactics wrong and started far too slow. Plain and simple.
It should have been a draw at worse for Eubank.
For all the criticism of Eubank doing nothing in the first 5 rounds why not criticise Saunders for doing nothing in the last 7?
So Saunders v Lee who wins ?
Saunders.
Re: Andy Lee - Billy Joe Saunders, who wins?
I Had saunders outpointing eubank by 3rounds. and i have billy doing the same to lee.
Re: Andy Lee - Billy Joe Saunders, who wins?
1-5 saunders
12 saunders
10 or 11 saunders forget which one.
maybe the 7-8th
eubanks the rest.
so i had saunders by 2 or more. each time i scored it.
landing a few big uppercuts or hooks now and then does not overrule being peppered with the jab. Saunders took eubanks best shots, and never looked truly hurt.
Re: Andy Lee - Billy Joe Saunders, who wins?
"Peppering" a jab doesnt or shouldnt score points. In amateur at least a scoring punch has to land with force and on the scoring area, not arms and not little flicked out peppery jabs, proper shots that you have invested some effort in and commited to.
Re: Andy Lee - Billy Joe Saunders, who wins?
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Originally Posted by
ross
"Peppering" a jab doesnt or shouldnt score points. In amateur at least a scoring punch has to land with force and on the scoring area, not arms and not little flicked out peppery jabs, proper shots that you have invested some effort in and commited to.
A peppering jab is still more than nothing at all. You just have to do more than your opponent to win a round.
Re: Andy Lee - Billy Joe Saunders, who wins?
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Originally Posted by
Silkeyjoe
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Originally Posted by
ross
"Peppering" a jab doesnt or shouldnt score points. In amateur at least a scoring punch has to land with force and on the scoring area, not arms and not little flicked out peppery jabs, proper shots that you have invested some effort in and commited to.
A peppering jab is still more than nothing at all. You just have to do more than your opponent to win a round.
Yes that is true, doing something in a round is better than doing nothing at all.
Re: Andy Lee - Billy Joe Saunders, who wins?
Eubank winging wild uppercuts from the waist with no defence isn't exatly pretty either
Re: Andy Lee - Billy Joe Saunders, who wins?
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Tam Seddon
With a summer show down iminent who wins
Lee was lucky to get draw aganist Quillin. For all those people who say boxing is rigged, you only need to watch the Qullin-Lee fight.
Qullin fights Lee (Irish Fighter) in Brooklyn, the place were Qullin now lives. The fight was on a Al Haymon show. Al Haymon is Qullin advisor and someone who he has a close relatiosnhip with. He has a close-ish fight against Lee and he could have easily been given the decision and no-one would have complained, but it was a draw.
As far as B.J.S chances of beating Lee. If you want to challenge for a world title then it won't get more easier than Andy Lee. Not that it will be easy for Saunders but as far world champions go, Saunders is not going to get better opportunity than this.
I can't think of any current junior middleweight, super middleweight or middleweight champion that would not beat Lee easily.
Re: Andy Lee - Billy Joe Saunders, who wins?
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denilson200
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Originally Posted by
Tam Seddon
With a summer show down iminent who wins
Lee was lucky to get draw aganist Quillin. For all those people who say boxing is rigged, you only need to watch the Qullin-Lee fight.
Qullin fights Lee (Irish Fighter) in Brooklyn, the place were Qullin now lives. The fight was on a Al Haymon show. Al Haymon is Qullin advisor and someone who he has a close relatiosnhip with. He has a close-ish fight against Lee and he could have easily been given the decision and no-one would have complained, but it was a draw.
As far as B.J.S chances of beating Lee. If you want to challenge for a world title then it won't get more easier than Andy Lee. Not that it will be easy for Saunders but as far world champions go, Saunders is not going to get better opportunity than this.
I can't think of any current junior middleweight, super middleweight or middleweight champion that would not beat Lee easily.
Yet Andy Lee keeps winning. No one can be that lucky he must have some talent.
