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Ftr anyone with a pulse already knew he wore a pointed dunce cap but I'm simply pointing out how freakin dumb he is. He's still the best 175 pounder out there but that's not relevant either.
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Not the sharpest knife in the drawer is he.
Let's discuss Kovalevs racism then. This should be a great discussion.
Another keyboard coward hiding behind Ali..:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Why is that clear? Why can't it be Kovalev calling him a gorilla because he thinks he's ugly and stupid, like Ali did to Frazier?Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
Kovalev could very well be a horrible racist, maybe racism is more culturally accepted in Russia like Brock was saying, I just don't see why we all have to jump to conclusions. If he called Adonis a n**ger or mentioned slavery or something like that, that would be different and pretty straight forward. Calling someone a gorilla is used to insinuate someone is ugly or primitive way more than it's used as a racial slur.
Vlad and Vitali don't do shit like that.
Tszyu didn't do shit like that.
Jirov(Haymon's first fighter) didn't do shit like that.
Kovalev quickly deleted that shit..but not soon enough...so he knew it was wrong.
Dude is cheap labor..he should be trying to find out way that Gorilla makes more than he ever will;D
We don't know for SURE if he is the best at 175.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Fair enough. It's possible I suppose. In UK it is definitely used as a racial slur more.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerWhy is that clear? Why can't it be Kovalev calling him a gorilla because he thinks he's ugly and stupid, like Ali did to Frazier?Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
Kovalev could very well be a horrible racist, maybe racism is more culturally accepted in Russia like Brock was saying, I just don't see why we all have to jump to conclusions. If he called Adonis a n**ger or mentioned slavery or something like that, that would be different and pretty straight forward. Calling someone a gorilla is used to insinuate someone is ugly or primitive way more than it's used as a racial slur.
Still, if you accept the premise that it was racist in intention then saying 'double standards' because Ali did it is nonsense. That was what I was getting at.
But yeah, granted, Kovalev may or may not have meant it like that.
Not sure what Ali's comments have to do with this either. Why is it people cannot simply comment on this act. John L Sullivan was a scum bag racist also. What the F does that have to do with this act on twitter? The guy put his his own comments on the thing "Adonis looks great".Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanFair enough. It's possible I suppose. In UK it is definitely used as a racial slur more.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerWhy is that clear? Why can't it be Kovalev calling him a gorilla because he thinks he's ugly and stupid, like Ali did to Frazier?Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
Kovalev could very well be a horrible racist, maybe racism is more culturally accepted in Russia like Brock was saying, I just don't see why we all have to jump to conclusions. If he called Adonis a n**ger or mentioned slavery or something like that, that would be different and pretty straight forward. Calling someone a gorilla is used to insinuate someone is ugly or primitive way more than it's used as a racial slur.
Still, if you accept the premise that it was racist in intention then saying 'double standards' because Ali did it is nonsense. That was what I was getting at.
But yeah, granted, Kovalev may or may not have meant it like that.
Black vs white = Green
I kind of feel the way you do, I don't expect fighters to be perfect, but I just can't let racism slide. We still have to admit it was racist, and worse, profoundly ignorant and insensitive to what is acceptable in today's society. Boxing is trying to gain fans not drive them away. Bunches of apologies are expected and might he accepted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by corvetteYou'd care if Stevenson went racial on Kovalev...deny all you want but I bet you'd have a different take if he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Double standards for sure , Clay punched a toy gorilla in the ring claiming it was Joe , that's why I said judge them in the ring not outside, the bottom line is who fucking cares.
White guys like you have weak double standards.
Go to the courts and see Whites sent home while Blacks get sent to jail for the same things.
No I wouldn't care if Stevenson did the same kind of silly thing to Kovalev , if you read my first post I said who really cares , lets judge them as a boxer , I couldn't give 2 shiney shites about this kind of crap.
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Originally Posted by ryanmanWell, I hardly think that Ali was using 'gorilla' to mock Frazier's colour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Kovalev is pointing at a monkey calling it Stevenson because Stevenson is black. That's clear.
Ali was calling Frazier a gorilla because he saw him as gorilla-like. Not to insult Frazier because of the colour of his skin. That wouldn't make much sense.
I might add that yeah Stevenson is also a dick. And I agree that although it's in bad taste I too want them to fight and will judge them in the ring. Just making the case that Ali calling Frazier a gorilla is not a logical comparison.
Clay called Frazier a gorilla and wore a shirt saying that , Kovalev's son wore a shirt with a monkey on the front and indicated it was Stevenson , I fail to see the difference.
I personally don't find either instances offensive , bad taste yes , stupid yes , remember most boxers are not very smart , so this shit happens, we don't have to agree but it happens.
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Yeah, I'm racist #! :p
Kovalev has just demonstrated what a dumb fuck he is. That's all.
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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I totally agree .
This is a racist comment and the mods should notice it !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by corvetteYou'd care if Stevenson went racial on Kovalev...deny all you want but I bet you'd have a different take if he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Double standards for sure , Clay punched a toy gorilla in the ring claiming it was Joe , that's why I said judge them in the ring not outside, the bottom line is who fucking cares.
White guys like you have weak double standards.
Go to the courts and see Whites sent home while Blacks get sent to jail for the same things.
Seriously? We have all been saying and the circumstances point us to it that prior to this, Adonis was looking for a way out of the fight. Now Kovalev provides it for him by playing the race card internationally with pictures FFS. The Michael camp will run with this and so will Haymon. At a kids birthday party yet. Did he buy the kid that shirt and does that kid go wander around Russia with it? So its systemic then?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Anyway here is a translation. The English is a little broken because its a direct one but I'm sure it will explain the thoughts of those effected adequately.
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A photo with a stupid and disgusting text. Sergey Kovalev posing with a young boy wearing a t-shirt with a picture of a monkey. And Kovalev, thick and ignorant, adds a sentence ". Adonis looks good"
When Georges Laraque saw the photo on the Twitter account Kovalev, his blood has a beat and strongly written Kovalev, "Hey! Do you realize that it's racist you throw in public? "
A few minutes later, Kovalev withdrew the photo. But the damage was already done.
Fans and other people had already sent the photo and racist comments to other curious.
And yesterday morning, Georges Laraque, which led sixty Haitians for a street hockey world championship with a visit to the "fabulous" Winnebago Jean-Charles Lajoie, sent me the picture and leave me a call " No, but you must be stupid! Should you be thick! "Hammered" Big George ".
STEVENSON MEXICO CITY
In Mexico City, where he met the leaders of the WBC, which honored by giving a luxury watch him Adonis Stevenson had been briefed by Laracque of what had happened. George had sent the photo and had spoken to him, "Adonis, you negotiate with these people, must know to whom you to do," said Laraque.
In the following minutes, Stevenson had already answered Kovalev: "You're a racist and you're stupid! If you want to fight, hits above the waist. Boxing is not a discrimination case, "responded the WBC champion. Adding that instead of using a child for his racism, it would be better to face off in the ring.
Later, Stevenson added: "All I have to say is that Kovalev is really con," he wrote to me when I met Impact players to their hotel.
This kind of aggression is well known to many soccer players. Gentlemen like Patrice Bernier played in countries where racism is expressed even roughly. We launch bananas on the field, screaming profanities. Most young people are often upset, veterans know that only education, perhaps, may end up changing things. "Kovalev is Russian. In addition, it depends on what region it originates. Several players have had problems with racism in Russia. When I played in Germany, my wife was taking German lessons with other wives of players. Including Russians. And when they learned that my wife was married to a Black, they could not hide their surprise. I do not want to generalize, but that's what happened, "said Bernier during a casual conversation in the lobby of the hotel yesterday afternoon.
When we say that a new travel fast, Yvon Michel arrived in Port-au-Prince when he texted me, "Kovalev is a fool."
It does not surprise me. It has been several times that Michael argues that journalists and fans were fooled by Kovalev during the fight against Jean Pascal. When I later joined on the terrace of his hotel, he epilogue on the subject. "What he did was stupid. This is a great lack of judgment. But you will discover how Sergey Kovalev is petty and narrow-minded. I'm not sure that people will find the friendly long time, "said Michel.
The developer meets with President of Haiti today to finalize the details of the battle presented to Port-au-Prince on 27 or 29 June featuring Stevenson in a title defense.
COSTLY MISTAKE
This stupid blunder Kovalev could be costly. For a Russian champion like him, money is not necessarily in the United States. While GYM, Eye of the Tiger Management and InterBox developed an extraordinary market boxing in Quebec.
If Kathy Duva and HBO absolutely want to avoid confrontation against Adonis Stevenson and especially Al Haymon, they will need a basic market to sell tickets and collect dollars from Canadian and Quebec television.
But Quebec do not much racist ... and serious companies are cautious about the idea of investing in someone capable of such poor judgment.
But what Sergey Kovalev he have thought?
Be quite the bill though eh. Racist vs Rapist.