Would you support 7 day work weeks?

The governor who isn't stopping the talks on 7 day work weeks, seems to fancy(some) unions.
While walker enacted act 10- A union known as The Wisconsin state trooper (who protected the state capital) when a hundred thousand protesters descended upon it. ---were not only sparred from the blues of Act 10- but they got a 17% pay increase. By some strange coincidence, they endorsed walker leading up to the recall.
Several fire fighters unions endorsed Walker.

So police and fire fighter unions across America take advantage?
Or is it certain people in certain unions- meaning every union isn't on the take any more than every union are all blessed angels.
Be it UPS and their union. OUR MANUFACTURERS UNIONS. Or even the teamsters that backed Ronald Reagan in 1980- mob related teamsters at that.

I couldn't link them all in one heap and claim if i have seen one union...I've seen them all.
What i can claim: the governor that is allowing talks for 7 day work weeks has the support of some unions....and those very unions are reaping the benefits.

I am not in a union myself but respect the right of workers to join one and for you to not be pro-choice as you are on many issues shows you right wing republican southern bias coming through.

If someone has stolen then I do not know how a union could or should keep anyone in their job. That is corruption plane and simple. I am sure it works the other way too in management which is equally as bad.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

How many employees do you have ?

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5....so not enough to warrant unionizing, besides, I pay them well and have continuously honored their loyalty to me....more than any thug Union boss would do.

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You need five employees to surf the internet, masturbate and play video games all day?

As far as unions go people, the plural of anecdote is not data.

The IMF, the OECD and the World Bank have all issued recent reports that say global economies need more worker representation to get them a bigger slice of profits as the current distribution of wealth is so unbalanced it's badly damaging the global economy.

American unions may have corruption problems and do things that seem in favour of even bad workers against the businesses they work for but every single major institution in America has the same problems.

Go to Germany and every company over 20 employees must allow a union and furthermore has to have a union representative sitting in with the managers and board of directors and making decisions with them. Seeing as hoe Germany currently has an unemployment rate far smaller than America's, a massive trade surplus and fantastic industrial relations with well-paid well-trained staff then clearly there's a place for unions. The heads of the world's major global financial institutions all think so too.

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Originally Posted by Master

I am not in a union myself but respect the right of workers to join one and for you to not be pro-choice as you are on many issues shows you right wing republican southern bias coming through.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law

North Carolina is a right to work state meaning if you don't WANT to be in a Union then you don't have to join one to get hired for certain jobs. If North Carolina was NOT right to work, then in certain jobs you would be forced, coerced, bullied into being a Union member.

So Unions say either you're A) Union or B) Not working....whereas Right to work states say if you would like to join a Union fine, but it is not required.

....but you were calling me biased about something?

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

You need five employees to surf the internet, masturbate and play video games all day?

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What....you don't?



So was it Alanis Morissette or O.Henry that wrote that comment for you? Couldn't help but notice the unrelenting irony of it.

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Originally Posted by Master

That is corruption plane and simple. I am sure it works the other way too in management which is equally as bad.

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For sure!

My dad works as a city work foreman (municipal government = strong union) so I hear a lot of the union horror stories from him. He estimates he gets about 4 hours worth of work from the workers there. When they hire on new employees they start off working hard, but the senior guys get to them quick and make them slow down, because it makes them look bad. So to go to Kabong's point, you have guys pulling other workers down to their shitty level so as not to look bad. If you resist, you get bullied and fucked with by the senior guys.

I'm lucky enough to have a job where the management and union are cool and work reasonably together.

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Originally Posted by Master

That is corruption plane and simple. I am sure it works the other way too in management which is equally as bad.

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For sure!

My dad works as a city work foreman (municipal government = strong union) so I hear a lot of the union horror stories from him. He estimates he gets about 4 hours worth of work from the workers there. When they hire on new employees they start off working hard, but the senior guys get to them quick and make them slow down, because it makes them look bad. So to go to Kabong's point, you have guys pulling other workers down to their shitty level so as not to look bad. If you resist, you get bullied and fucked with by the senior guys.

I'm lucky enough to have a job where the management and union are cool and work reasonably together.

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I have heard your public services have been run down to bear minimum and maybe the staff do that because they do not want further unnecessary cuts by management who go on Prince 2 lean process training and think they know how to run it as a business and not a public service.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

You need five employees to surf the internet, masturbate and play video games all day?

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What....you don't?



So was it Alanis Morissette or O.Henry that wrote that comment for you? Couldn't help but notice the unrelenting irony of it.

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I call in here four days a week for half an hour after work. I don't do facebook, twitter or any other things like that. Other than coming here I only use the internet for work (I can include reading the papers as work). I've honestly never played a video game in my life other than in an actual amusement arcade when I was about 10. I will admit to occasionally cranking one out but as a rule I leave that kind of thing to young ladies that I'm not related to.

You spend all day every day on this site. And from things you've written it's clear you spend a lot of time posting elsewhere. You've started several threads on video games so you clearly spend time playing them. There's no way you even have a job. You can continue to claim you have a business but you're not fooling anybody.

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I call in here four days a week for half an hour after work. I don't do facebook, twitter or any other things like that. Other than coming here I only use the internet for work (I can include reading the papers as work). I've honestly never played a video game in my life other than in an actual amusement arcade when I was about 10. I will admit to occasionally cranking one out but as a rule I leave that kind of thing to young ladies that I'm not related to.

You spend all day every day on this site. And from things you've written it's clear you spend a lot of time posting elsewhere. You've started several threads on video games so you clearly spend time playing them. There's no way you even have a job. You can continue to claim you have a business but you're not fooling anybody.

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Uh huh....well not quite the snappy comeback I was expecting and more of a personal attack, but hey whatever helps you sleep at night chief

Your a strange bunch in the USA, our unions are run by workers not organized crime as yours are
you have no comprehensions, of what people have done to improve workers right's.
Basically most of Americans, are immigrants, that were down trodden and exploited you no something
you learned fuck all you just exploit each other sorry, but your fuck you mate I am alright mate is a strange outlook.:-\

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Originally Posted by Dia bando

Your a strange bunch in the USA, our unions are run by workers not organized crime as yours are
you have no comprehensions, of what people have done to improve workers right's.
Basically most of Americans, are immigrants, that were down trodden and exploited you no something
you learned fuck all you just exploit each other sorry, but your fuck you mate I am alright mate is a strange outlook.:-\

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Your Unions are run by Socialists and Communists

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Originally Posted by Dia bando

Your a strange bunch in the USA, our unions are run by workers not organized crime as yours are
you have no comprehensions, of what people have done to improve workers right's.
Basically most of Americans, are immigrants, that were down trodden and exploited you no something
you learned fuck all you just exploit each other sorry, but your fuck you mate I am alright mate is a strange outlook.:-\

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Your Unions are run by Socialists and Communists

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Socialist is not an evil word over here but over your side of the pond the word Liberal is frowned upon. You are so far to the right you could drop off the scale.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Dia bando

Your a strange bunch in the USA, our unions are run by workers not organized crime as yours are
you have no comprehensions, of what people have done to improve workers right's.
Basically most of Americans, are immigrants, that were down trodden and exploited you no something
you learned fuck all you just exploit each other sorry, but your fuck you mate I am alright mate is a strange outlook.:-\

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Your Unions are run by Socialists and Communists

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Bull shit Lyle WORKERS that's what they are run by. people who pay subscriptions like myself no
communist, workers who don't fuck each other over that's a union.;)

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Originally Posted by Master

Socialist is not an evil word over here but over your side of the pond the word Liberal is frowned upon. You are so far to the right you could drop off the scale.

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Socialist should be an evil word everywhere, but that's fine. The term "Liberal" has been coopted by the Democrat Party who ironically are some of the whiniest close minded bigots in the world. Given the REAL definition of the word and it's connotation of being for maximum individual freedoms, of course it's good....but you must understand the people in America who call themselves "liberal" are the same people who called themselves "Progressive" and those "Progressives" were and are horrible people and just like I said whiney, close minded, bigots.