Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
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Jimanuel Boogustus
***Edit*** Actually, if you want to shake that stick at me then have some back; that's like me saying your inferring that Dela Hoya initially ducked Mayweather.
Well by the definition of "duck" that people are using here... didn't Oscar duck Floyd?
Floyd challenged him, said he'd whip his ass, and Oscar refused to fight him.
Now personally, I have no problem with that. What did Oscar have to gain by fighting a relative unknown that was fighting 3 or 4 weight classes below him?
But according to a lot of boxing fans, you have to fight anyone and everyone who asks to fight you or else you're a coward, so I guess DLH did duck Floyd.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
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J_Undisputed
** As a side note: My opinion is, the "money generated/per fight salary" wont become or carry the prestige that many will hope because its relative to costs of living and inflation.
Floyd reportedly made about 200 million against Pac.
So that's about $15,085,610.84 in 1945 dollars (according to Inflation Calculator). Do you think Sugar Ray Robinson, Jake Lamotta, Willie Pep, ect ever got a 15 million dollar payday?
Floyd reportedly has a base fee of 32 million.
So that's about $2,400,288.30 in 1945 dollars. Do you think Sugar Ray Robinson, Jake Lamotta, Willie Pep, ect ever got a guarenteed 2.5 million for one fight?
In 1975, Foreman and Ali reportedly got 5 million each to fight the Rumble in the Jungle. In 2015 dollars that's still only $22,178,252.79 - 10 million short of Floyd's minimum guarantee.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
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When you say that, you are inferring that Floyd avoided all those guys in their primes and chose to fight them when they were washed up, and that just isn't true.
People forget that Floyd wasn't always "Money Mayweather" making 32 million a fight.
To be pedantic......He wasnt always making 32 million a fight, but I'd say he was always "Money Mayweather" from the moment he mentioned "Slave wages" when negotiation a new contract.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
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sanatogen
To be pedantic......He wasnt always making 32 million a fight, but I'd say he was always "Money Mayweather" from the moment he mentioned "Slave wages" when negotiation a new contract.
He was always an asshole for sure, but what I meant by that is that Floyd wasn't always the money man in boxing who could call all the shots and had guys lining up to fight him so they could get a mega payday.
Right now everyone wants to fight Floyd because they are going to make exponentially more than they could fighting anyone else.
But could you imagine if Floyd wasn't a known commodity and if you fought him, you'd be doing so for peanuts? Nobody would want to fight him, because it would be high risk (losing and looking bad) and low reward. That's what Floyd was back in the day. A high risk, and a low reward.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
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Beanflicker
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g3org3
That's a ridiculous post I highly doubt there's any elite fighters that are scared of anyone, they fight for a living none of them are scared. People need to remember boxing is a business and making the most money should be your number 1 priority. I know if I was a boxer I wouldn't give a shit about the fans I would want the most money for putting my life on the line
Most boxing fans live in the fantasy world where every champion before Floyd didn't give two shits about money and only fought the men they thought would give them the hardest fights, regardless of the payoffs. This fantasy world is sacred to them and they don't take kindly to people using logic and reasoning to tear it down.
There are people - GROWN MEN - who are reading this right now who truly believe guys like Sugar Ray Robinson and his handlers never chose their fights and, at some point, picked a easier fight for bigger money over a harder fight for smaller money.
It boggles my mind.
The fact is, boxing has ALWAYS been a business first, sport second.
Boxing fans have to be some of the most naive fans of any sport.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
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Originally Posted by
J_Undisputed
** As a side note: My opinion is, the "money generated/per fight salary" wont become or carry the prestige that many will hope because its relative to costs of living and inflation.
Floyd reportedly made about 200 million against Pac.
So that's about $15,085,610.84 in 1945 dollars (according to Inflation Calculator). Do you think Sugar Ray Robinson, Jake Lamotta, Willie Pep, ect ever got a 15 million dollar payday?
Floyd reportedly has a base fee of 32 million.
So that's about $2,400,288.30 in 1945 dollars. Do you think Sugar Ray Robinson, Jake Lamotta, Willie Pep, ect ever got a guarenteed 2.5 million for one fight?
In 1975, Foreman and Ali reportedly got 5 million each to fight the Rumble in the Jungle. In 2015 dollars that's still only $22,178,252.79 - 10 million short of Floyd's minimum guarantee.
Good point but I think you can only really make it a matter of relevance If you are able to correctly discount all that equates to and as a result of ppv numbers.
As media grows and develops, I'm sure in the future there will be additional revenue streams that add to a fighters luster and personal wealth.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
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Jimanuel Boogustus
As media grows and develops, I'm sure in the future there will be additional revenue streams that add to a fighters luster and personal wealth.
Well I certainly hope so, and I hope that more fighters start following the Floyd Mayweather blueprint and becoming their own bosses, promoting themselves, cutting out the Don King's and Bob Arum's of the world, and start taking home the lion's share of the money they generate.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
Floyd is an ATG but not TBE.
Floyd is a woman beating in front of his children little shit who has no class. I hope he goes broke and has to make a return and gets beats.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
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Master
Floyd is an ATG but not TBE.
Floyd is a woman beating in front of his children little shit who has no class. I hope he goes broke and has to make a return and gets beats.
I read that like a 'Hitler's reaction to Floyd Mayweather being inducted in to the HoF' ;D
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
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Beanflicker
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Jimanuel Boogustus
As media grows and develops, I'm sure in the future there will be additional revenue streams that add to a fighters luster and personal wealth.
Well I certainly hope so, and I hope that more fighters start following the Floyd Mayweather blueprint and becoming their own bosses, promoting themselves, cutting out the Don King's and Bob Arum's of the world, and start taking home the lion's share of the money they generate.
Definitely. 100% agree.
Won't it be weird though, in the distant future, if we find ourselves as old men defending the fighters of our generation over the next lot because theirs make way more money and get more views on YouTube and have more followers on Twitter in addition to being bigger stronger better athletes.
Fuck it, I'd probably be the first to argue how they don't make em as though as they used to :-X
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
Every generation says that, and I hope I never get to that point.
The truth is there were cowards and brave men in every generation, just as there were great fighters, good fighters, mediocre fighters and bums in every generation.
Some people say the boxers were generally "tougher" back in "the day", but I've seen so many warriors in the ring in recent years that I really don't buy into that nonsense.
I think Floyd will be more appreciated as the years and decades go by, because there will be future "superstars" that come around and lose in fights that they were supposed to win, and I think then people will realize that staying undefeated for 20 years in the boxing game is not as easy as they thought.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
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Beanflicker
Every generation says that, and I hope I never get to that point.
The truth is there were cowards and brave men in every generation, just as there were great fighters, good fighters, mediocre fighters and bums in every generation.
Some people say the boxers were generally "tougher" back in "the day", but I've seen so many warriors in the ring in recent years that I really don't buy into that nonsense.
I think Floyd will be more appreciated as the years and decades go by, because there will be future "superstars" that come around and lose in fights that they were supposed to win, and I think then people will realize that staying undefeated for 20 years in the boxing game is not as easy as they thought.
:nopity: Yeah Yeah now move on.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
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Originally Posted by
J_Undisputed
** As a side note: My opinion is, the "money generated/per fight salary" wont become or carry the prestige that many will hope because its relative to costs of living and inflation.
Floyd reportedly made about 200 million against Pac.
So that's about $15,085,610.84 in 1945 dollars (according to Inflation Calculator). Do you think Sugar Ray Robinson, Jake Lamotta, Willie Pep, ect ever got a 15 million dollar payday?
Floyd reportedly has a base fee of 32 million.
So that's about $2,400,288.30 in 1945 dollars. Do you think Sugar Ray Robinson, Jake Lamotta, Willie Pep, ect ever got a guarenteed 2.5 million for one fight?
In 1975, Foreman and Ali reportedly got 5 million each to fight the Rumble in the Jungle. In 2015 dollars that's still only $22,178,252.79 - 10 million short of Floyd's minimum guarantee.
You're totally neglecting how much disposable income people had available at that time, how many fans were in preexistence, the absence of the internet and its free/cheap marketing platform. not to mention that in 1948... 0.4% of americans even had a tv to watch srr on for free. Youre points are like fighters exist in a vacuum where they arent benefactors of the economy, the mass media, or technology or innovation. The world makes floyd, not the other way around.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
All this talk of Floyd... His perfect record, the opponents who ducked him, all the money he's made, how he's set new standards in self management and drug testing...
It really drives home that he must be TBE. Right?
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
Of course he is.
Sure, he avoided Manny until he became very beatable before agreeing to that career defining fight, but he's got some big names on his record and beaten everyone he's ever faced.
You can't really argue with an unbeaten record as good as his. Not the most exciting fighter and a bit of a dickhead, but on his record alone he belongs up there with the rest of the greats.
