Glaring flaws in great fighters.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

As far as Muhammad Ali goes he never beat Ken Norton in any of the three matches and he would have lost all three to Frazier if Fraser was able to finish the third fight. In fact if Fraser has gone out for the 15th round ali had just told Dundee to cut his gloves off. Frazier also won their second bout by 3 points according to every single boxing expert in New York New Jersey Connecticut Massachusetts Pennsylvania Delaware and Washington DC.

Ken Norton won all three bouts
Earnie Shavers won his bout against ali. Jimmy young won his bout against Ali. Leon Spinks won both of his bouts against Ali.
Doug Jones beat Olly. The list goes on and on master. They say his best performance was against Cleveland Williams ---the Cleveland Williams just got a f****** kidney removed 7 months before the fight and still has shrapnell near his spine from being shot by several bullets hardly a challenging opponent

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Ali shot Cleveland which is a little known fact. So that he would be weakened when they fought.

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Shot him AND fellatioed 'em

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Very disturbing images you have of Ali, that Bill has had a detrimental affect on you.

Golovkin currently seems to take a rest for a round or two after he gets a knock down, this allows him to be hit. Thankfully for him his chin is decent.

Klitschko has 0 inside game, if someone could exploit this and stop him clinching they could beat him.

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Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl9_lWENHdc

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futch wanted frazier slipping and countering that jab but thats what ali wanted frazier to do to. you throw a jab to create slipping and countering to move a guy into your punches and ali was great at that.

http://i.imgur.com/ZySaYg5.gif

frazier countered the right uppercut ali was throwing but because anybody throwing any right uppercut is a sitting duck for a counter left hook in boxing not because ali was throwing it wrong.

http://i.imgur.com/1bDTL7r.gif

ali didnt have the right glove in front of his jaw to parry a counter jab from norton but the disadvantage of always having your right glove stay home to parry jabs is that you cant throw a right hand with it. ali wanted to get you throwing your jab when he would throw a jab because he wanted to come over your counter jab with a counter right hand. cant do that with your right glove staying home in front of your jaw.

http://i.imgur.com/lLE55Yv.gif

i know that everybody cant wait to trash ali on boxing forums to sound like some kind of boxing guru or that you have some kind of monopoly on boxing knowledge and you would think that norton exposed ali but those were really good fights and they fought three times for a reason. it wasnt one way traffic. but i guess its not in style to give ali credit on boxing forums.

http://i.imgur.com/WbbPJgS.gif

http://i.imgur.com/tYE39ZB.gif

i dont know why you guys cant admit ali had some smarts too. thats ignorant and its not fair.

Some good gifs. No need to be a dick though. Monopoly? Really?
We've all been been here a long time and a lot of us would agree that Ali gets a bit of a 'free pass' as far as rating him as the greatest etc.. I wouldn't know about other forums because I'm not on any others but the point you made about Ali's attributes are correct however the video highlights the mindset of the opponent.

Also Gatti landed the hook because that uppercut was poor.

For the most part, Ali was a promoters dream.

A golden goose of entertainment.

In and out of the ring came everything you wanted... Not just a fight, not just one year of success....

.... But a story lasting a few decade that you can enjoy forever more.

Ali wasn't TBE but he is by quite a long distance the most entertaining boxer, most charismatic boxer and the boxer who's story is most entertaining to watch.

Imo which is always right... Sorry guys.

Also the guy who made this video actually got a shout out from Jim Lampley during the Roman Gonzalez fight.

Great work.

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Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

Also Gatti landed the hook because that uppercut was poor.

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your head stays center when you throw a right uppercut. you are always going to be a sitting duck for a left hook when you throw it.

Sometimes I dismiss Camacho like a punchline but also wonder WFT happened? Of everything you could line a list with..chin, fantastic reflex, hand speed and combination punching, footwork all around and ring awareness, could work a ref and oozed fan opinion or reaction one way or the other. He had. Did it all boil down to Rosario making his feet numb off some great hooks and loss of confidence.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

Sometimes I dismiss Camacho like a punchline but also wonder WFT happened? Of everything you could line a list with..chin, fantastic reflex, hand speed and combination punching, footwork all around and ring awareness, could work a ref and oozed fan opinion or reaction one way or the other. He had. Did it all boil down to Rosario making his feet numb off some great hooks and loss of confidence.

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Yes it was.

Wlad became boring after his KO's.