Year-end 2015 *updated* ATG HW RANKINGS

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Srs question why does Max Schmeling appear on these list sometimes? He seems to have a lot of defeats on his record. I am not an expert at all of boxing of that era, so what was it he did that mades him top 15 p4p ?

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@palmerq excellent question. Schmeling should actually probably be Top 12-13

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thank you for taking the time to answer my question, i have updated my list now

14. Apollo Creed
13 Max Schmeling
12 Max Schmeling
11 Evander Holyfield
10 Larry holmes
9 Vitali klitschko
8 Wladimir klitschko
7 Tyson Fury
6 George Foreman
5 Cassius Clay
4 Mohammed Ali
3 Lennox Lewis
2 Rocky marciano
1 Joe Louis

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WBA and WBC title he won in 1970 from Jimmy ellis--- he lost those titles on his 5th title defense in Kingston Jamaica.

You are mistakenly thinking the New York State Athletic Commission title is the Heavyweight Champion of the World. Those fights were not HW Champ of the World, those are STATE TITLES, SUCH AS CHAMP OF WESSEX, CHAMP OF ESSEX, CHAMP OF DUNDEE, CHAMP OF DUNGHOLAIRE, CHAMP OF NORTHUMBRIA, ETC.....

NICE TRY THOUGH.

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NYSAC World Heavyweight Title. There was no other better heavyweight champion at the time as Ali was exiled.

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B*******. Rocky Marciano had just beaten Muhammad Ali and 13 round knockout you and I and the computer all know it

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That computer had a virus.

After watching the fight. Jerry Quarry said Marciano couldn't hit Ali in the ass with a hand full of rice.

Quarry had been diagnosed with pin-point aneurysm the week before though.......

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Srs question why does Max Schmeling appear on these list sometimes? He seems to have a lot of defeats on his record. I am not an expert at all of boxing of that era, so what was it he did that mades him top 15 p4p ?

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@palmerq excellent question. Schmeling should actually probably be Top 12-13

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thank you for taking the time to answer my question, i have updated my list now

14. Apollo Creed
13 Max Schmeling
12 Max Schmeling
11 Evander Holyfield
10 Larry holmes
9 Vitali klitschko
8 Wladimir klitschko
7 Tyson Fury
6 George Foreman
5 Cassius Clay
4 Mohammed Ali
3 Lennox Lewis
2 Rocky marciano
1 Joe Louis

:S

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first we'll start with Max's Honors:
German Lightheavyweight Champion 1926–1928
European Lightheavyweight Champion 1927–1928
German Heavyweight Champion 1928
World Heavyweight Champion 1930–1932
European Heavyweight Champion 1939–1943

The ONLY PERSON TO KNOCKOUT A PRIME JOE LOUIS WHO WAS THE GREATEST OF ALL-TIME

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Originally Posted by palmerq

Srs question why does Max Schmeling appear on these list sometimes? He seems to have a lot of defeats on his record. I am not an expert at all of boxing of that era, so what was it he did that mades him top 15 p4p ?

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@palmerq excellent question. Schmeling should actually probably be Top 12-13

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thank you for taking the time to answer my question, i have updated my list now

14. Apollo Creed
13 Max Schmeling
12 Max Schmeling
11 Evander Holyfield
10 Larry holmes
9 Vitali klitschko
8 Wladimir klitschko
7 Tyson Fury
6 George Foreman
5 Cassius Clay
4 Mohammed Ali
3 Lennox Lewis
2 Rocky marciano
1 Joe Louis

:S

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first we'll start with Max's Honors:
German Lightheavyweight Champion 1926–1928
European Lightheavyweight Champion 1927–1928
German Heavyweight Champion 1928
World Heavyweight Champion 1930–1932
European Heavyweight Champion 1939–1943

The ONLY PERSON TO KNOCKOUT A PRIME JOE LOUIS WHO WAS THE GREATEST OF ALL-TIME

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If Joe Louis was that great he would not have been knocked out in his prime. ;)

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Originally Posted by palmerq

Srs question why does Max Schmeling appear on these list sometimes? He seems to have a lot of defeats on his record. I am not an expert at all of boxing of that era, so what was it he did that mades him top 15 p4p ?

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@palmerq excellent question. Schmeling should actually probably be Top 12-13

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thank you for taking the time to answer my question, i have updated my list now

14. Apollo Creed
13 Max Schmeling
12 Max Schmeling
11 Evander Holyfield
10 Larry holmes
9 Vitali klitschko
8 Wladimir klitschko
7 Tyson Fury
6 George Foreman
5 Cassius Clay
4 Mohammed Ali
3 Lennox Lewis
2 Rocky marciano
1 Joe Louis

:S

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first we'll start with Max's Honors:
German Lightheavyweight Champion 1926–1928
European Lightheavyweight Champion 1927–1928
German Heavyweight Champion 1928
World Heavyweight Champion 1930–1932
European Heavyweight Champion 1939–1943

The ONLY PERSON TO KNOCKOUT A PRIME JOE LOUIS WHO WAS THE GREATEST OF ALL-TIME

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If Joe Louis was that great he would not have been knocked out in his prime. ;)

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You mean like Lennox Lewis twice?

Which is exactly why Lennox or Louis do not deserve to be on the top of any greatest list.

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Which is exactly why Lennox or Louis do not deserve to be on the top of any greatest list.

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Are you serious? :o:o:o I have them ranked #1 and #6 respectively. Who are your top 10 then?

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Which is exactly why Lennox or Louis do not deserve to be on the top of any greatest list.

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Are you serious? :o:o:o I have them ranked #1 and #6 respectively. Who are your top 10 then?

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I am sure I did my list on this thread. Your list sucks.

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Which is exactly why Lennox or Louis do not deserve to be on the top of any greatest list.

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Are you serious? :o:o:o I have them ranked #1 and #6 respectively. Who are your top 10 then?

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I am sure I did my list on this thread. Your list sucks.

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Haha. Sucky-sucky Duck-duck GOOSE

The definitive list and in order to suck on.

Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Evander Holyfield
Wladimir Klitschko
Jack Johnson

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The definitive list and in order to suck on.

Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Evander Holyfield
Wladimir Klitschko
Jack Johnson

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Nice......again why Frazier/holy and no Bowe/Dempsey/Marciano/Tunney/Liston?

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The definitive list and in order to suck on.

Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Evander Holyfield
Wladimir Klitschko
Jack Johnson

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Nice......again why Frazier/holy and no Bowe/Dempsey/Marciano/Tunney/Liston?

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Frazier destroys Rocky, Tunney and Dempsey he was bigger and stronger. Holyfield in a pain to put on the list. Liston and Bowe did not rule long enough.

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The definitive list and in order to suck on.

Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Evander Holyfield
Wladimir Klitschko
Jack Johnson

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Nice......again why Frazier/holy and no Bowe/Dempsey/Marciano/Tunney/Liston?

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Frazier destroys Rocky, Tunney and Dempsey he was bigger and stronger. Holyfield in a pain to put on the list. Liston and Bowe did not rule long enough.

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I agree Frasier destroys Tunny and I think Joe might even be able to spark Holyfield. If joe could find Muhammad Ali's chin over and over with that murderous murderous left hook that he could surely find Holyfield chin with it. Even though holy had a great chin one of the best around but I think Muhammad Ali's was even better so therefore I think Fraser could spark Evander. And yes he was bigger than Rocky Marciano but I still think that Rocky would take him out in a classic perhaps 15 round war by slowly shutting his eyes and pounding his body. In no way do I think that Joe Frazier could take Jack Dempsey however. Agree that listen and bowe were not around long enough. I have always been conflicted about Evander Holyfield's ranking because after beating Tyson in 96 and 97 he simply went into the long drawn out slow spiraling downward descent of a fading fighter with with that trilogy against John ruiz and those piss poor performances against Larry Donald and Chris Byrd and James Toney and all of that rubbish