Re: Who is the worst heavyweight titleholder since 2000?
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are you happy with his holding tactics during that time?
I hated Wlad holding but
he was still the best fighter. Wlad did not have to hold but he was so scared about his vulnerable chin that he did it excessively.
I don't think you can say that for sure
would he have beaten Peter in their second fight if he was stopped from holding?
he shouldn't have won the fight, he should have been DQ'd without a doubt
would he have beaten Provetkin?
would he have beaten haye?
haye was one of his best performances but he still held excessively
as soon as he was stopped from holding against any half decent opponent he looked terrible
I don't think we will ever know if wlad was the best boxer during that period, he was just the best at wlad rules
I hear what you're saying on most of that, and like you, I thought the Povetkin fight was a disgraceful fight from start to finish.
But the Haye fight is a little different. Haye was so cautious that Wlad didn't have to hold that much. Haye was looking for a way in all night but didn't want to commit. He played right into Wlad's hands and then blamed his big toe.
Haye's performance against Wlad was similar to Wlad's performance against Fury. Smaller man , less reach, worried about getting tagged by the bigger guy to the extent that they went gun shy.
And I'm not a Haye basher, I quite like the guy. he fucked up big time that night and made himself look a cunt.
Re: Who is the worst heavyweight titleholder since 2000?
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erics44
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Master
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erics44
are you happy with his holding tactics during that time?
I hated Wlad holding but
he was still the best fighter. Wlad did not have to hold but he was so scared about his vulnerable chin that he did it excessively.
I don't think you can say that for sure
would he have beaten Peter in their second fight if he was stopped from holding?
he shouldn't have won the fight, he should have been DQ'd without a doubt
would he have beaten Provetkin?
would he have beaten haye?
haye was one of his best performances but he still held excessively
as soon as he was stopped from holding against any half decent opponent he looked terrible
I don't think we will ever know if wlad was the best boxer during that period, he was just the best at wlad rules
I hear what you're saying on most of that, and like you, I thought the Povetkin fight was a disgraceful fight from start to finish.
But the Haye fight is a little different. Haye was so cautious that Wlad didn't have to hold that much. Haye was looking for a way in all night but didn't want to commit. He played right into Wlad's hands and then blamed his big toe.
Haye's performance against Wlad was similar to Wlad's performance against Fury. Smaller man , less reach, worried about getting tagged by the bigger guy to the extent that they went gun shy.
And I'm not a Haye basher, I quite like the guy. he fucked up big time that night and made himself look a cunt.
I shouldn't have brought up the Haye fight, its a touchy subject
forget I said it
It wasn't just the Provetkin and Peter fights wlad held in, there were lots of them, I just brought those two up because the peter fight was the day he won the title. He should have been DQ'd so wouldn't have won it in the first place (then what would have happened?) and the provetkin fight was probably the worst, he should have been DQ'd several times over
I remember Matthew Barney fighting Carl Froch and Henry Akinwande fighting lennox lewis, Barney and Akinwande were DQ'd in those fights for holding, well done ref, yet they weren't a patch on many of wlad klits fights
Re: Who is the worst heavyweight titleholder since 2000?
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erics44
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Primo Carnera
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erics44
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Master
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erics44
are you happy with his holding tactics during that time?
I hated Wlad holding but
he was still the best fighter. Wlad did not have to hold but he was so scared about his vulnerable chin that he did it excessively.
I don't think you can say that for sure
would he have beaten Peter in their second fight if he was stopped from holding?
he shouldn't have won the fight, he should have been DQ'd without a doubt
would he have beaten Provetkin?
would he have beaten haye?
haye was one of his best performances but he still held excessively
as soon as he was stopped from holding against any half decent opponent he looked terrible
I don't think we will ever know if wlad was the best boxer during that period, he was just the best at wlad rules
I hear what you're saying on most of that, and like you, I thought the Povetkin fight was a disgraceful fight from start to finish.
But the Haye fight is a little different. Haye was so cautious that Wlad didn't have to hold that much. Haye was looking for a way in all night but didn't want to commit. He played right into Wlad's hands and then blamed his big toe.
Haye's performance against Wlad was similar to Wlad's performance against Fury. Smaller man , less reach, worried about getting tagged by the bigger guy to the extent that they went gun shy.
And I'm not a Haye basher, I quite like the guy. he fucked up big time that night and made himself look a cunt.
I shouldn't have brought up the Haye fight, its a touchy subject
forget I said it
It wasn't just the Provetkin and Peter fights wlad held in, there were lots of them, I just brought those two up because the peter fight was the day he won the title. He should have been DQ'd so wouldn't have won it in the first place (then what would have happened?) and the provetkin fight was probably the worst, he should have been DQ'd several times over
I remember Matthew Barney fighting Carl Froch and Henry Akinwande fighting lennox lewis, Barney and Akinwande were DQ'd in those fights for holding, well done ref, yet they weren't a patch on many of wlad klits fights
Yeah , agree with all of that. I remember Akinwande. he basically got DQ'd for not wanting to fight. I always thought that that must be the most embarrassing way for any Boxer to lose a fight, to go in the ring and not want to fight.
Re: Who is the worst heavyweight titleholder since 2000?
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Primo Carnera
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erics44
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Primo Carnera
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erics44
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Master
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erics44
are you happy with his holding tactics during that time?
I hated Wlad holding but
he was still the best fighter. Wlad did not have to hold but he was so scared about his vulnerable chin that he did it excessively.
I don't think you can say that for sure
would he have beaten Peter in their second fight if he was stopped from holding?
he shouldn't have won the fight, he should have been DQ'd without a doubt
would he have beaten Provetkin?
would he have beaten haye?
haye was one of his best performances but he still held excessively
as soon as he was stopped from holding against any half decent opponent he looked terrible
I don't think we will ever know if wlad was the best boxer during that period, he was just the best at wlad rules
I hear what you're saying on most of that, and like you, I thought the Povetkin fight was a disgraceful fight from start to finish.
But the Haye fight is a little different. Haye was so cautious that Wlad didn't have to hold that much. Haye was looking for a way in all night but didn't want to commit. He played right into Wlad's hands and then blamed his big toe.
Haye's performance against Wlad was similar to Wlad's performance against Fury. Smaller man , less reach, worried about getting tagged by the bigger guy to the extent that they went gun shy.
And I'm not a Haye basher, I quite like the guy. he fucked up big time that night and made himself look a cunt.
I shouldn't have brought up the Haye fight, its a touchy subject
forget I said it
It wasn't just the Provetkin and Peter fights wlad held in, there were lots of them, I just brought those two up because the peter fight was the day he won the title. He should have been DQ'd so wouldn't have won it in the first place (then what would have happened?) and the provetkin fight was probably the worst, he should have been DQ'd several times over
I remember Matthew Barney fighting Carl Froch and Henry Akinwande fighting lennox lewis, Barney and Akinwande were DQ'd in those fights for holding, well done ref, yet they weren't a patch on many of wlad klits fights
Yeah , agree with all of that. I remember Akinwande. he basically got DQ'd for not wanting to fight. I always thought that that must be the most embarrassing way for any Boxer to lose a fight, to go in the ring and not want to fight.
Mills Lane was on fire that couple of months because he disqualified Tyson for the ear biting.
Re: Who is the worst heavyweight titleholder since 2000?
Briggs was a shit champ i mean he barely won his title and then got completely owned right when he had to defended it as well. Not to mention that gift he got off Foreman for championship but i do not consider that because i have no idea how he even got that decision Foreman beat that dude.
Re: Who is the worst heavyweight titleholder since 2000?
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Briggs was a shit champ i mean he barely won his title and then got completely owned right when he had to defended it as well. Not to mention that gift he got off Foreman for championship but i do not consider that because i have no idea how he even got that decision Foreman beat that dude.
Briggs knew he lost that one. It was all over his face and half way out of his mouth. Arguably the best Foreman had looked since winning the strap back. Slower and some stamina lapses but watching him put that phone pole jab in the back of Briggs neck repeatedly was a thing of beauty. Judges be damned, the old man went out on a quality win and walked away with class.
Re: Who is the worst heavyweight titleholder since 2000?
There's been a few. Martin is up there, although it's impossible to tell how bad he actually is.
Re: Who is the worst heavyweight titleholder since 2000?
Seldon was before 2000.
Since 2000, it's Charles Martin if you're talking about trinket holders & Hasim Rahman if you're talking about linear champions.
Re: Who is the worst heavyweight titleholder since 2000?
Going to tell you what ruined the sport of boxing pretty much America could not get a heavyweight champ the last man of the hw division was Evander Holyfeild. Tell you right now if US could of landed a champ since then not a trinket holder but a champ boxing be higher on the mountain.
