If Vitali wasn't Wlad's big brother we wouldn't have gone through years of shitness.
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If Vitali wasn't Wlad's big brother we wouldn't have gone through years of shitness.
And my point is that it appears more competitive because there is no Wlad. Good or bad nobody could solve the puzzle. Yes Fury did but lets put that fight where it belongs. It had the worst punch output in heavyweight championship history and Wlad looked like a deer in the headlights until the 12th round. Good for Fury but everyone saw what happened. Yes there is some new blood in Fury and Joshua and Ortiz but the overall quality is the same as it was. Shite. And when you add the protectionist fervor to the mix well it speaks for itself. The Wba has to do its own tourney to figure out who its real champion is.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
one of those fighters took the belts off wlad, so they could have accessed the belts at any time during the last 10 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitIt’s by in large the same group of fighters acting the same way. The only difference is now they have access to belts they couldn’t get before because of Wlad. The moment Fury won the fight, the powers at be stripped him and started to threaten him. Why didn’t they do that with Wlad? I didn’t say there was none of anything. I said its a measure of quality over quantity. It’s going to look better that’s for sure IF these people fight. And Wlads not even out of the picture. He could beat Fury. The what? We hope he retires. Time will tell and I didn’t say Wlads quality was better or that he was. These guys for the most part could not solve the puzzle in 11 years. So if we are going to talk about quality….Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
This division has an opportunity to right itself but I got this feeling because of what’s happening elsewhere that all we are going to see is a pose off.
and wlad was at his best when that happened, he was coming off a couple of his best ever wins
wlad was shit, held more than he punched and got all the favours in the world when he fought, he generated so much money in Germany he could get away with so much in the ring, they did anything to keep him champion
so in my opinion the quality is much higher now than it has been at any time in the last 10 years, the only fighter that can really argue is Vitali
The potential is there with that group and add Ortiz but if I was a betting man I bet we don’t see any of them fighting each other. Fury would likely be the most willing of all the participants. You don’t need to risk anything. Look at Wilder. The system is set up to function on mediocrity. These kats can become millionaires and never fight a threat while calling themselves world champions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Totally agree and you know nobody today would make the grade if they had to scrap that lot. I doubt anyone from the seventies makes it through either.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
fury solved the puzzle against wlad when wlad had just come off 2 of his best 4 ever wins, so you'd have to argue it was wlads peak in terms of resultsQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitAnd my point is that it appears more competitive because there is no Wlad. Good or bad nobody could solve the puzzle. Yes Fury did but lets put that fight where it belongs. It had the worst punch output in heavyweight championship history and Wlad looked like a deer in the headlights until the 12th round. Good for Fury but everyone saw what happened. Yes there is some new blood in Fury and Joshua and Ortiz but the overall quality is the same as it was. Shite. And when you add the protectionist fervor to the mix well it speaks for itself. The Wba has to do its own tourney to figure out who its real champion is.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44one of those fighters took the belts off wlad, so they could have accessed the belts at any time during the last 10 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitIt’s by in large the same group of fighters acting the same way. The only difference is now they have access to belts they couldn’t get before because of Wlad. The moment Fury won the fight, the powers at be stripped him and started to threaten him. Why didn’t they do that with Wlad? I didn’t say there was none of anything. I said its a measure of quality over quantity. It’s going to look better that’s for sure IF these people fight. And Wlads not even out of the picture. He could beat Fury. The what? We hope he retires. Time will tell and I didn’t say Wlads quality was better or that he was. These guys for the most part could not solve the puzzle in 11 years. So if we are going to talk about quality….Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
This division has an opportunity to right itself but I got this feeling because of what’s happening elsewhere that all we are going to see is a pose off.
and wlad was at his best when that happened, he was coming off a couple of his best ever wins
wlad was shit, held more than he punched and got all the favours in the world when he fought, he generated so much money in Germany he could get away with so much in the ring, they did anything to keep him champion
so in my opinion the quality is much higher now than it has been at any time in the last 10 years, the only fighter that can really argue is Vitali
that suggests that the quality is there today
for 10 years it was wlad and vitali that's it, now we have a few quality heavyweights, one of which is better than wlad at his peak
and punch output is irrelevant
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Originally Posted by erics44fury solved the puzzle against wlad when wlad had just come off 2 of his best 4 ever wins, so you'd have to argue it was wlads peak in terms of resultsQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitAnd my point is that it appears more competitive because there is no Wlad. Good or bad nobody could solve the puzzle. Yes Fury did but lets put that fight where it belongs. It had the worst punch output in heavyweight championship history and Wlad looked like a deer in the headlights until the 12th round. Good for Fury but everyone saw what happened. Yes there is some new blood in Fury and Joshua and Ortiz but the overall quality is the same as it was. Shite. And when you add the protectionist fervor to the mix well it speaks for itself. The Wba has to do its own tourney to figure out who its real champion is.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44one of those fighters took the belts off wlad, so they could have accessed the belts at any time during the last 10 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitIt’s by in large the same group of fighters acting the same way. The only difference is now they have access to belts they couldn’t get before because of Wlad. The moment Fury won the fight, the powers at be stripped him and started to threaten him. Why didn’t they do that with Wlad? I didn’t say there was none of anything. I said its a measure of quality over quantity. It’s going to look better that’s for sure IF these people fight. And Wlads not even out of the picture. He could beat Fury. The what? We hope he retires. Time will tell and I didn’t say Wlads quality was better or that he was. These guys for the most part could not solve the puzzle in 11 years. So if we are going to talk about quality….Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
This division has an opportunity to right itself but I got this feeling because of what’s happening elsewhere that all we are going to see is a pose off.
and wlad was at his best when that happened, he was coming off a couple of his best ever wins
wlad was shit, held more than he punched and got all the favours in the world when he fought, he generated so much money in Germany he could get away with so much in the ring, they did anything to keep him champion
so in my opinion the quality is much higher now than it has been at any time in the last 10 years, the only fighter that can really argue is Vitali
that suggests that the quality is there today
for 10 years it was wlad and vitali that's it, now we have a few quality heavyweights, one of which is better than wlad at his peak
and punch output is irrelevant
Why are you splitting hairs for when your responses are making my point?
You are suggesting that wlads era was better than this because of wlad
I'm suggesting that that's not the case, not least because at least one heavyweight is better than wlad at his peak
our opinions seem different to me?
Floyd Mayweather does the same, he throws more effective punches per round than his opponent. He is boring for it.
Floyd is different from wlad
wlad holds more than he punches, Floyd punches more than he holds
Floyd is boring but legitimate
He is a legitimate dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Wlad is legitimate because he has unified belts, beaten the best challengers and record number of defences.
I actually do agree with you here. It's a miracle!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44one of those fighters took the belts off wlad, so they could have accessed the belts at any time during the last 10 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitIt’s by in large the same group of fighters acting the same way. The only difference is now they have access to belts they couldn’t get before because of Wlad. The moment Fury won the fight, the powers at be stripped him and started to threaten him. Why didn’t they do that with Wlad? I didn’t say there was none of anything. I said its a measure of quality over quantity. It’s going to look better that’s for sure IF these people fight. And Wlads not even out of the picture. He could beat Fury. The what? We hope he retires. Time will tell and I didn’t say Wlads quality was better or that he was. These guys for the most part could not solve the puzzle in 11 years. So if we are going to talk about quality….Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
This division has an opportunity to right itself but I got this feeling because of what’s happening elsewhere that all we are going to see is a pose off.
and wlad was at his best when that happened, he was coming off a couple of his best ever wins
wlad was shit, held more than he punched and got all the favours in the world when he fought, he generated so much money in Germany he could get away with so much in the ring, they did anything to keep him champion
so in my opinion the quality is much higher now than it has been at any time in the last 10 years, the only fighter that can really argue is Vitali
Wald best wins were Haye in 2011 and Alexander in 2013 Fury beat a 40 year old Wlad that is not a peak Wald i am sorry. No heavyweight champion has ever been peak at 40 i know you hated he was champ for so long but there no need to say such silly shit dude it is just nuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44fury solved the puzzle against wlad when wlad had just come off 2 of his best 4 ever wins, so you'd have to argue it was wlads peak in terms of resultsQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitAnd my point is that it appears more competitive because there is no Wlad. Good or bad nobody could solve the puzzle. Yes Fury did but lets put that fight where it belongs. It had the worst punch output in heavyweight championship history and Wlad looked like a deer in the headlights until the 12th round. Good for Fury but everyone saw what happened. Yes there is some new blood in Fury and Joshua and Ortiz but the overall quality is the same as it was. Shite. And when you add the protectionist fervor to the mix well it speaks for itself. The Wba has to do its own tourney to figure out who its real champion is.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44one of those fighters took the belts off wlad, so they could have accessed the belts at any time during the last 10 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitIt’s by in large the same group of fighters acting the same way. The only difference is now they have access to belts they couldn’t get before because of Wlad. The moment Fury won the fight, the powers at be stripped him and started to threaten him. Why didn’t they do that with Wlad? I didn’t say there was none of anything. I said its a measure of quality over quantity. It’s going to look better that’s for sure IF these people fight. And Wlads not even out of the picture. He could beat Fury. The what? We hope he retires. Time will tell and I didn’t say Wlads quality was better or that he was. These guys for the most part could not solve the puzzle in 11 years. So if we are going to talk about quality….Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
This division has an opportunity to right itself but I got this feeling because of what’s happening elsewhere that all we are going to see is a pose off.
and wlad was at his best when that happened, he was coming off a couple of his best ever wins
wlad was shit, held more than he punched and got all the favours in the world when he fought, he generated so much money in Germany he could get away with so much in the ring, they did anything to keep him champion
so in my opinion the quality is much higher now than it has been at any time in the last 10 years, the only fighter that can really argue is Vitali
that suggests that the quality is there today
for 10 years it was wlad and vitali that's it, now we have a few quality heavyweights, one of which is better than wlad at his peak
and punch output is irrelevant
Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
What a dumb, f*cking post. Especially following the first one.
This guy can't be serious.
Eric started the thread as a piss take and is not serious about most things.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
What a dumb, f*cking post. Especially following the first one.
This guy can't be serious.
theres no doubt about it that Floyd is a dick, the dickish dick of all dicksQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterHe is a legitimate dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Wlad is legitimate because he has unified belts, beaten the best challengers and record number of defences.
but he won by punching his opponent more than he got punched
wlad he unified the money so was allowed to cheat