Re: Which fight is worse?
I answered both because in the end both fights are equally as ridiculous. Although as far as motivation behind the fights, I find Canelo-Khan much worse. Canelo fought Khan in the process of avoiding GGG like the ginger-haired pu$$y he is. GGG's motivation, I can only guess, is frustration at the growing criticism that he isn't facing any big names, and the biggest name out there for him to face is running from him at full sprint.
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In answer to the original question, I voted for Canelo v Khan being worse, only because there was a 20lb weight difference on the night, and with the IBF 10lb ruling, that's probably not going to be the case this time.
But at the same time, I have to be consistent and say I don't like the idea of GGG fighting someone 2 weights below.
If the MW's haven't got the balls to step up to the plate, then now is probably the right time to consider his work done at the weight and challenge himself by moving up.
Be real..... 10 years as a professional with no key win or Marque opponent. 10 years without taking a risk beating all opponents in a weak ass division . This has you believing he has a leg to negotiate with vs. Canelo? This looks like a major cherry picking career!
Work done absolutely, time to fight top notch opponents one level up or one level down. Lara or Canelo at 155 now that you forfeited what was your only leverage point PG-GG rated champion
Ha. You ask me to be real? Do you honestly think GGG has cherry picked opponents?
You do know there is a difference between cherry picking and being avoided?
And then you say that perhaps he should go down in weight ? No doubt you would then accuse him of being a bully, he can't win with you.
And you ask me to be real?😂
I've already acknowledged that the time has come for him to move up because nobody in the division will fight him.
Agreed. Not only that... but the argument regarding "the right to negotiate with Canelo" is nothing but a B.S. excuse to justify Canelo's shameful avoiding of GGG. Bottom line... both are equally sized fighters perfectly suited to face off at 160. I'm sure GGG would accept any reasonable offer that was put on the table by Canelo's team. Unfortunately, hell will freeze over before that happens.
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Split down the middle honestly. Khan was in all actuality dented, vulnerable and seemingly clinging to that elusive "event" what ever the cost. On the other side we knew Canelo was a con at middle. An imposter. Basically lowered expectations. With Golovkin he was the adult in the room when Cotto and Canelo came up at middleweight. He was respected and held to higher standards. I don't begrudge a guy a payday but this is only duplicating Canelos cash grab. Brook is a helluva fighter really banking on a single high profile win who himself has already rebounded in a foty candidate with Thurman. The no in between or credible build to division is what gets me. Many of the top guys named at least made pit stops at 154 while some who did not were knocked senseless.
Khan was schooling Canelo and had he won a decision you would not use such fodder . It is obvious you dislike Canelo. As Danny DeVito says "Garbage"' " I'm the trash man!
What school was that, clown College? Everyone with functional gray matter knew that farce was a matter of time not "if". Canelo is a spoiled lil tart and what he and Golovkin have in common now is needing smaller less proven fighters to bank on and ride the push afterwards. Its a joke. Oh and DeVito hasn't had a hit movie in years and was funniest while intoxicated on David Lettermans show :D. FACT!
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Yeah alright, Khan was schooling Canelo , like he "schooled" Garcia for about 2 minutes. Oh, and then he got clean sparked out! :rolleyes:GROUNDHOG DAY!;D;D
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Canelo has made a career of beating up smaller guys not in his league. Matthew hatton, Archie Solis and so on. Golovkin has spent the last few years trying to get every middleweight on the planet into the ring. Big difference.
Team Golovkin only took this fight because they're so far down the line with negotiations and they've mentally already invested the money they're going to make from the Sky PPV.
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First off good on Kell Brook for jumping at the chance to take that fight....he's going to get his ass beat something fierce but he'll make some good money doing it.
Both of these fights suck, but let's lay the blame where it rightfully belongs....at the feet of Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez. He was offered the fight at 160 for the 160 belts, the money was good the people wanted the fight to happen and he didn't take it.
Now something similar might be said about GGG not taking the fight with Andre Ward, but when we're talking about that we're also talking about where Ward fights (his back yard, ALWAYS his backyard be it Oakland or San Jose or LA) and that makes a difference....I do not believe location was an issue for GGG-Canelo and I do not believe weight was an issue either as both guys are smallish middleweights but could still move up with some success I am sure.
Not sure who is to blame for Ward-Kovalev not happening, but that one deserves a look as well
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First off good on Kell Brook for jumping at the chance to take that fight....he's going to get his ass beat something fierce but he'll make some good money doing it.
Both of these fights suck, but let's lay lets the blame where it rightfully belongs....at the feet of Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez. He was offered the fight at 160 for the 160 belts, the money was good the people wanted the fight to happen and he didn't take it.
Now something similar might be said about GGG not taking the fight with Andre Ward, but when we're talking about that we're also talking about where Ward fights (his back yard, ALWAYS his backyard be it Oakland or San Jose or LA) and that makes a difference....I do not believe location was an issue for GGG-Canelo and I do not believe weight was an issue either as both guys are smallish middleweights but could still move up with some success I am sure.
Not sure who is to blame for Ward-Kovalev not happening, but that one deserves a look as well
Let's lay the blame where it rightfully belongs GGG has been a pro for 10 fuqen years 10 FUQEN years and has yet to fight a marque name or have a signature win. GGG had no leverage then and further lessens his ability to dictate anything in a match with Canelo in the future. He could have moved down one weight class ad discredited a Canelo opponent instead he calls out a welterweight to fight at 160 . That that is a pussier move than Canelo has ever maneuvered. This is another PPV stinker for GGG
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Canelo has made a career of beating up smaller guys not in his league. Matthew hatton, Archie Solis and so on. Golovkin has spent the last few years trying to get every middleweight on the planet into the ring. Big difference.
Team Golovkin only took this fight because they're so far down the line with negotiations and they've mentally already invested the money they're going to make from the Sky PPV.
The last 10 years . Where's the beef ? All salad opponents, if GGG wanted a challenge he would make his management team create one. He is just a big fish with the wrong promotional company which has no one else. Stop the excuses 10 years and that resume of opposition..... Hope your Ol lady does not lie to you the same way
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Canelo has made a career of beating up smaller guys not in his league. Matthew hatton, Archie Solis and so on. Golovkin has spent the last few years trying to get every middleweight on the planet into the ring. Big difference.
Team Golovkin only took this fight because they're so far down the line with negotiations and they've mentally already invested the money they're going to make from the Sky PPV.
And GGG has made a career of ten years beating ?????????? Nobody , unproven commodity that has to fight a welterweight in their homeland for a good payday. He just handed Canelo his panties, now Canelo does not have to fight him at 160. What a stupid move how does this fight bring him closer to a Canelo fight? He should have fought Lara or Trout at 155 and demolished them as Canelo had a tough time with them. Until they GGG and. Canelo have common opponents GGG will not get the fight and rightfully does not deserve the fight. What has GGG done to warrant a Canelo fight at 160 when GGG wants. Canelo can fight him at 160 when he is good and ready. In the meantime GGG has to find real challenges one level up or down his work is done at 160 and that class is a complete joke and nothing to build a legacy on
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Put the words "ducking", "Canelo", and "Golovkin" on Google and you'll get dozens of articles from all over boxing about Canelo ducking Golovkin. None of those critics from both inside and outside of boxing talk about Golovkin "warranting" a fight with Canelo. "Warranting" comes from the same dictionary as "marinating".... two words being conveniently used by Canelo and his team to cover up his blatant DUCKING of Golovkin.
Put any spin on it you want. Another poster put it perfectly. Canelo has made a career of fighting smaller guys. GGG has fought whomever they've put in front of him. That the quality hasn't been top-notch is not his fault. To my knowledge he hasn't yet ducked anybody.
All the whining by Canelo fans doesn't erase one indelible fact:
Canelo is completely suited to fight at 160 pounds. He's got the size and built to campaign at MW... but chooses to drain himself into smaller weights (a la JCC Jr.) in order to have that important 20-30 pound weight advantage on fight night. So why in HELL should Golovkin cave to Ginger's demands and go down to something less than 160? Bottom line is everybody and their brother thinks Canelo should MAN UP and fight Golovkin at 160. But he won't... 'cause he's scared shitless. So we fans get stuck with farces such as Canelo-Khan and now GGG-Brook. Both needless fights... both to be blamed on Canelo.
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In answer to the original question, I voted for Canelo v Khan being worse, only because there was a 20lb weight difference on the night, and with the IBF 10lb ruling, that's probably not going to be the case this time.
But at the same time, I have to be consistent and say I don't like the idea of GGG fighting someone 2 weights below.
If the MW's haven't got the balls to step up to the plate, then now is probably the right time to consider his work done at the weight and challenge himself by moving up.
Be real..... 10 years as a professional with no key win or Marque opponent. 10 years without taking a risk beating all opponents in a weak ass division . This has you believing he has a leg to negotiate with vs. Canelo? This looks like a major cherry picking career!
Work done absolutely, time to fight top notch opponents one level up or one level down. Lara or Canelo at 155 now that you forfeited what was your only leverage point PG-GG rated champion
Ha. You ask me to be real? Do you honestly think GGG has cherry picked opponents?
You do know there is a difference between cherry picking and being avoided?
And then you say that perhaps he should go down in weight ? No doubt you would then accuse him of being a bully, he can't win with you.
And you ask me to be real?😂
I've already acknowledged that the time has come for him to move up because nobody in the division will fight him.
Agreed. Not only that... but the argument regarding "the right to negotiate with Canelo" is nothing but a B.S. excuse to justify Canelo's shameful avoiding of GGG. Bottom line... both are equally sized fighters perfectly suited to face off at 160. I'm sure GGG would accept any reasonable offer that was put on the table by Canelo's team. Unfortunately, hell will freeze over before that happens.
I agree with you but it's a business now more than ever and GGG is running a lemonade stand. Tell me why GGG will fight a welterweight but not a really skilled 154 fighter like Lara. While says everyone is ducking GGG but ggg fans. Where is there one shred of evidence ? All speculation and I still beg the question how and why GGG has managed to avoid a top notch fight for ten years with no Marque opponent.? I think catch weight is crap but for GGG to call out Canelo and then fight a welterweight at 160 is worse. It reinforces the fact he will not take risks his 10 year record of opponents is more factual than ggg , his fans and promoter saying everyone is avoiding him.
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In answer to the original question, I voted for Canelo v Khan being worse, only because there was a 20lb weight difference on the night, and with the IBF 10lb ruling, that's probably not going to be the case this time.
But at the same time, I have to be consistent and say I don't like the idea of GGG fighting someone 2 weights below.
If the MW's haven't got the balls to step up to the plate, then now is probably the right time to consider his work done at the weight and challenge himself by moving up.
Be real..... 10 years as a professional with no key win or Marque opponent. 10 years without taking a risk beating all opponents in a weak ass division . This has you believing he has a leg to negotiate with vs. Canelo? This looks like a major cherry picking career!
Work done absolutely, time to fight top notch opponents one level up or one level down. Lara or Canelo at 155 now that you forfeited what was your only leverage point PG-GG rated champion
Ha. You ask me to be real? Do you honestly think GGG has cherry picked opponents?
You do know there is a difference between cherry picking and being avoided?
And then you say that perhaps he should go down in weight ? No doubt you would then accuse him of being a bully, he can't win with you.
And you ask me to be real?😂
I've already acknowledged that the time has come for him to move up because nobody in the division will fight him.
Agreed. Not only that... but the argument regarding "the right to negotiate with Canelo" is nothing but a B.S. excuse to justify Canelo's shameful avoiding of GGG. Bottom line... both are equally sized fighters perfectly suited to face off at 160. I'm sure GGG would accept any reasonable offer that was put on the table by Canelo's team. Unfortunately, hell will freeze over before that happens.
I agree with you but it's a business now more than ever and GGG is running a lemonade stand. Tell me why GGG will fight a welterweight but not a really skilled 154 fighter like Lara. While says everyone is ducking GGG but ggg fans. Where is there one shred of evidence ? All speculation and I still beg the question how and why GGG has managed to avoid a top notch fight for ten years with no Marque opponent.? I think catch weight is crap but for GGG to call out Canelo and then fight a welterweight at 160 is worse. It reinforces the fact he will not take risks his 10 year record of opponents is more factual than ggg , his fans and promoter saying everyone is avoiding him.
I ask that he destroy Canelos credentials by beating like opponents of Canlelo get your brain straight . Shred Canelo ability to fight at catchweight. Now fighting Brook with such a great advantage Canelo will never fight him at 160 . Simply because ggg is not man enough or popular enough to dictate the terms. GGG will now be forced to fight larger fighters for less pay. Ggg needs to realize he is not the man and needs to beat the man. (Any top notch champion). Like ggg wants to build a career on one win vs Canelo
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Now post pictures of Mayweather on fight night against Marquez. No one gives a shit (who remembers) , it was a disgrace what he pulled but I do not see you criminalizing him like Canelo. Seems you have one way hatred
