Re: Farage attacks husband of murdered MP
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Dia bando
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Beanz
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Dia bando
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brocktonblockbust
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Dia bando
Beanz the guy was a lunatic thankfully not many people are killed for there political view in this country.!
UKIP are just EU hating Tory's remember many Labour seats in Wales voted to leave the EU.
Weather you like it or not you become a target when your in public office, ! not to be murdered but for critasisum.
Nigel is still spinning shit really he goes to hunt who gives a shit.
Politicians discredit each other in life and death it's a dirty business.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZl2udKDG3g
Lovely woman I wonder were she had her labotome.
La La fucking land LOL stupid people like her have fucked this country up simple.
Lobotomy. You can't even string a sentence together but apparently people like her have fucked the country up? Not bent politicians? Not tax dodging corporations? Not hate peddling facists like Farage but some member of the public who you don't agree with ? Simple?...:-\
See there you go again knocking my English, truly crying fucking idiot I have never said I like Farage and are you calling people who voted for Brexit facists.
It Called democracy weather you like it or not first past the post.
Well your having a rant Trump has won we voted to leave the EU get over it.
You like facts and figures don't you well in Germany over a 120 thousand crimes have been comited by migrants stick that up your ass and set light to it.!
Except I never knock your English. Never. I also never called people who voted for Brexit facists. Farage yes, of course classic facist. I have not even posted one thread or even one post since the Brexit referendum moaning about the result. I don't need a lecture on Democracy but what democracy is not is a perfect system. It is not an opportunity to say well that is it settled then we are going to be Tory forever or never change this law or get to shut down arguments from anyone (even if that anyone is virtually half the population) who don't agree with us.
Re: Farage attacks husband of murdered MP
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Beanz
Except I never knock your English. Never.
Never?
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Lobotomy. You can't even string a sentence together
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Re: Farage attacks husband of murdered MP
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Beanz
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Dia bando
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Beanz
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Dia bando
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brocktonblockbust
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Dia bando
Beanz the guy was a lunatic thankfully not many people are killed for there political view in this country.!
UKIP are just EU hating Tory's remember many Labour seats in Wales voted to leave the EU.
Weather you like it or not you become a target when your in public office, ! not to be murdered but for critasisum.
Nigel is still spinning shit really he goes to hunt who gives a shit.
Politicians discredit each other in life and death it's a dirty business.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZl2udKDG3g
Lovely woman I wonder were she had her labotome.
La La fucking land LOL stupid people like her have fucked this country up simple.
Lobotomy. You can't even string a sentence together but apparently people like her have fucked the country up? Not bent politicians? Not tax dodging corporations? Not hate peddling facists like Farage but some member of the public who you don't agree with ? Simple?...:-\
See there you go again knocking my English, truly crying fucking idiot I have never said I like Farage and are you calling people who voted for Brexit facists.
It Called democracy weather you like it or not first past the post.
Well your having a rant Trump has won we voted to leave the EU get over it.
You like facts and figures don't you well in Germany over a 120 thousand crimes have been comited by migrants stick that up your ass and set light to it.!
Except I never knock your English. Never. I also never called people who voted for Brexit facists. Farage yes, of course classic facist. I have not even posted one thread or even one post since the Brexit referendum moaning about the result. I don't need a lecture on Democracy but what democracy is not is a perfect system. It is not an opportunity to say well that is it settled then we are going to be Tory forever or never change this law or get to shut down arguments from anyone (even if that anyone is virtually half the population) who don't agree with us.
Beanz many people were belittled for voting for brexit by politicians questioning there intelligence were they not Blair was one to do so.
My feeling are strong because I see first hand what a open border policy has done to my area its fucked it up completely.
I don't need any fucking politicians to cloudy my views you live it you see it, half of fucking Europe taking jods our social housing.
My culture my community gone why do I have to embrace others when mine is fucked up.
Wrexham voted out because people were pissed off not because a toff like Nigel Farage told us to,! l talk to a lot of people and they resent large numbers of migrants moving in to the area I have never heard anybody saying they did not mind it was the total opposite.!
Remember just normal working people not fascists just LOCAL people remember we are living with it.
Re: Farage attacks husband of murdered MP
I am just wondering, Beanz. Do you think violence is ever a neccesary means of trying to achieve political objectives? I sometimes go to the historical museums out here and the occupation by the Japanese is well documented. It was obviously a very harsh occupation and not like the subtle occupation that you have with the EU. In the case of Greece though it is a very harsh and brutal occupation and they have no ability to control their finances, but what I am asking is do you think it is always wrong to try and force change through violent means? I brought up the museums here because there are large statues of people who fought occupation and in many instances these people killed others and likely killed innocent people in trying to do that too. In the museum though these people are considered patriots and heroic figures for resisting occupation.
In terms of the EU, people have never had the ability to express if they wanted to have a political union with Europe. It was only ever suppposed to be an economic bridge. Yet by stealth it became more political and more and more rules and regulation were brought in without the will of the people ever being brought up. Borders were opened and millions of people came in and again there was no consultation with the general population. It was a kind of long drawn out occupation. Done in a very clever and somewhat subtle way obviously.
What happened to the politician was obviously very tragic and somewhat pointless considering a referendum was finally introduced, but at the time I thought of situations around the world where people with no voice would join with others and try and fight for their cause. Most of the time the occupiers call them terrorists, but if in the rare instance they win, they become patriots or freedom fighters. When I hear someone like Dia make the case he did above, I hear someone that feels like he has been occupied and not listened to and his anger seems quite valid to me. The person who killed Cox seems to be someone with mental health problems, but who also felt that his country had been occupied. In the past I think you said it was being an apologist for murder, but I am not so sure it is. It's just another way of thinking about something.
I think you are someone who would fight for something you believe in, so I just wonder what you think the line is or how you would even define those lines. I am just curious as I am not sure what I think about it either, I find it quite complicated.
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I am just wondering, Beanz. Do you think violence is ever a neccesary means of trying to achieve political objectives? I sometimes go to the historical museums out here and the occupation by the Japanese is well documented. It was obviously a very harsh occupation and not like the subtle occupation that you have with the EU. In the case of Greece though it is a very harsh and brutal occupation and they have no ability to control their finances, but what I am asking is do you think it is always wrong to try and force change through violent means? I brought up the museums here because there are large statues of people who fought occupation and in many instances these people killed others and likely killed innocent people in trying to do that too. In the museum though these people are considered patriots and heroic figures for resisting occupation.
In terms of the EU, people have never had the ability to express if they wanted to have a political union with Europe. It was only ever suppposed to be an economic bridge. Yet by stealth it became more political and more and more rules and regulation were brought in without the will of the people ever being brought up. Borders were opened and millions of people came in and again there was no consultation with the general population. It was a kind of long drawn out occupation. Done in a very clever and somewhat subtle way obviously.
What happened to the politician was obviously very tragic and somewhat pointless considering a referendum was finally introduced, but at the time I thought of situations around the world where people with no voice would join with others and try and fight for their cause. Most of the time the occupiers call them terrorists, but if in the rare instance they win, they become patriots or freedom fighters. When I hear someone like Dia make the case he did above, I hear someone that feels like he has been occupied and not listened to and his anger seems quite valid to me. The person who killed Cox seems to be someone with mental health problems, but who also felt that his country had been occupied. In the past I think you said it was being an apologist for murder, but I am not so sure it is. It's just another way of thinking about something.
I think you are someone who would fight for something you believe in, so I just wonder what you think the line is or how you would even define those lines. I am just curious as I am not sure what I think about it either, I find it quite complicated.
I think unfortunately people see what they want to see and seek out and surround themselves with those who share those opinions. Everybody seems to be ignoring the 48.1% of people who voted remain. That is very nearly half the population. I am not contesting the result but remember in Scotland that 62% voted remain with only 38% voting to leave the EU. So it is hardly very democratic that they will seemingly be forced to comply with the opinion of those not even living in their country. The discourse here on Saddo is by and large dominated by those not even living in Europe let alone Britain who insist that most Europeans do not want the EU. That appeals to their own sense of being some kind of lame rebel but the reality is that most Europeans do not want to leave the EU or give up the freedom of movement and trade that affords them. The 'they took are jobs' argument is a red herring. Again people are manipulated by large corporations into blaming people who are doing nothing more than trying to improve their own standard of living and support their families. Those using the 'They took our jobs' argument are nearly always the exact same people who will claim that all immigrants are lazy scroungers living off benefits. Why do the local people not want those jobs? because the conditions are awful and the pay is low? then how is that the fault of an immigrant for being willing to show some initiative and go and travel to find work?
It is very ironic when people are given the freedom to travel and work anywhere in Europe that they would invoke the cases of those availing themselves of that freedom as some kind of example of their own freedoms being infringed upon. It is more than ironic that yourself and Brockton who are or have both been immigrants yourselves for the last 20 years, have been the most vociferous in opposition to the freedom to work elsewhere. It is incredibly hypocritical of the pair of you. Teaching English as a foreign language is no more noble a calling than any other profession and yet you both encourage us all to look down on those who quite legally use their own skills to work in another country.
Then you have the case of Asylum seekers and refugees. This is where it gets even more ludicrous. I am assuming that neither of you have personally had to move and work in another country because of being persecuted, tortured or because your homeland was being bombed and was at war ? That being the case it is very curious that you both seem so very able to dismiss the motives of those in that position and to pretend that you would know how you would act and respond. Lyle is the same. The default position seems to be that at first you assume they must be on the take. They must be fake or opportunist. They should put up with whatever they get and even then you would rather demonize and use them as scapegoats.
Then you have the case of Jo Cox. You can say her name, it does not make you a liberal lefty even though that seems to be some kind of toxic label here nowadays. She was brutally murdered by somebody who you are alleging felt occupied? Really? In what kind of world is stabbing and shooting a young mother active in the anti-facist movement who fought the cases of those in the most desperate of situations justifiable? there is playing Devil's Advocate and then there is jumping into bed with the Devil.
Have I and would I ever use violence to fight for what I believe in? Yes. I am a pragmatist and while I would probably go about things differently now I have thrown a few punches whilst marching with the anti-Nazi league and Class War actions in the past. As a response to those that thought we were an easy target whom they could intimidate off the streets. I am neither proud nor ashamed of it but that is a world away from killing an innocent women going about her business.
I am still astonished that you would think some British guy was the one being persecuted by having to tolerate an MP who helped refugees fleeing a country being bombed and torn to shreds by the corporate war machine of the west. Something Britain herself helped perpetuate. This is how facism starts first the migrants and refugees, then those of a different colour, then the disabled, etc until each minority is demonized. It is already happening right now. At least 2000 people have died after being found fit for work and that is just the tip of the iceberg. These are not idle layabouts they are often people with terminal illnesses or extreme long term health conditions but it easier to portray them as feckless than address the issue of caring for them. It is what happens when compassion and empathy are scorned at and portrayed as weakness. It is what motivates twisted men like the one that killed Jo Cox.
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Interesting response. I was just curious. I am not against immigration or asylum, I just think you should consult with the populace first and by doing so moderation would be deemed the correct policy. Brexit seems to be a venting of that frustration.
I think it was terrible what happened to Cox, but I am not blind to how a nationalist might behave if pushed into a corner. The IRA was all about nationalists pushed into a corner and of course innocent people, as they so often do, got caught in the crosshairs. When oppressed some will turn to violence. I saw Palestinians today throw rocks at armed soldiers. Desperate people will do these things. Then again bigger bullies are using statehood and law which is their own violence.
I am just saying that I can see where it comes from. It doesn't make murder right though. Same with the guy who tried to shoot Trump. You would hope that a ing democracy gives people a choice but then I am not sure it really does that either.
I am using a phone so cannot post more fully. I was just interested in what you thought. Personally I find it quite complicated. At the very least we should stop messing the world up with wars and arms dealing. Take their names and give them a warning. They can do it to illegal downloaders but arms manufacturers and Blair get off free!
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Britain First is a race hate group who disguise themselves to be nationalistic movement. The person that murdered the MP was a sick and disgusting person.
Terrorist or Freedom Fighter is an eternal debate and depends on you feel you are at that time. Sometimes you just do not know either way and may not have an opinion.
I do not know how I feel about the Sikh's that killed the prime minister Indira Ghandi for storming the Golden Temple or Udham Singh who assassinated Michael O'Dwyer, for the massacre in Amritsar in 1919.
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What the 48.1 % need reminding of is that you lost a democratic vote , you don't get the best of 3 because you lost.I think it's wonderful we get a chance to try to run the country better, as it was the wish of more of the voters.
yeah beanz is like the BUTT HURT HILLARY LOSERS still butt hurt howling at the moon "dont forget we are 48.1%" bwaaahahahaha and clenching his sphyncter muscles in Kegel exercises
YOU LOST.
GET OVER IT.
FARAGE WON. TRUMP WON.
Re: Farage attacks husband of murdered MP
Re: Farage attacks husband of murdered MP
Re: Farage attacks husband of murdered MP
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Dia bando
I feel we should be proud to be British and what's wrong with that.
INDEED!
Where did that pride go to?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkTw3_PmKtc
What happened to THAT?
Fucking withered away by the PC police into some bizarre self loathing, self flagellation......where is your pride?
