Re: Scoring rounds even! 10-10? What's the problem? More rounds should be 10-10. Fact
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Alpha
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Master
The round you describe would be 10-9 to the fighter that scored the knockdown.
Usually although some judges still score that 10-8. I just like the idea of a bit of variation. Like @
Spicoli said there are different degrees to a 10-9 round and a .5 system in theory gives the opportunity to reflect that.
The breakdown of .5 seems like a decent avenue but can only imagine it becoming even more a chaotic exercise in fractions. Not that it wouldn't work in theory but again, it all comes down to a judges training, standards and accountability that need to be improved first imo.
That round scenario sounds exactly like Holyfield vs Moorer 1 round 2 as an example. One that has always stood out for me. Maybe because I'm a Holyfield fan and the round ultimately cost him the title ;D. Moorer boxed very well with that sharp thudding jab most of the round if I remember right. Winning it early no doubt and near the very end Holyfield catches him clean with hook for hard knockdown. Now to me that in instantly a -1 from Moorer. It doesn't matter how well he boxed and how many he landed, clearly Holyfield did the hurting. To me it erased whatever work he did or at the very least proved more effective. A lone judge scored it 10-10 even. I'd score it 10-9...minus the 10 point must system 9-9 as Holyfield 'lost' much of the round. But in NO way should Moorer be given a 10 point round. It's just false.
Re: Scoring rounds even! 10-10? What's the problem? More rounds should be 10-10. Fact
Training is the trick. We've all seen cards that have left us scratching our heads. Until the judges are held accountable and made an example off things won't change.
Re: Scoring rounds even! 10-10? What's the problem? More rounds should be 10-10. Fact
Am I being a proper thicko here but what's the difference between scoring a round 9-9/10-10? The overall outcome is still the same, no?
Re: Scoring rounds even! 10-10? What's the problem? More rounds should be 10-10. Fact
Judges being held accountable is fair enough, but unless a judge is consistently scoring the opposite of their colleagues and/or the majority then you'll always get a rick here and there. Every fan moaning and groaning about judges/scoring seem to think they're an infallible perfect scorer. But if you sift through rd-by-rd threads, after the event, the fan scores are all over the shop/contradictory.
Every ex-boxer/trainer/ref/judge/spit bucketman working in TV obviously need lessons in scoring, as the "expert fans" slag the shit out of them every week.
Re: Scoring rounds even! 10-10? What's the problem? More rounds should be 10-10. Fact
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Fenster
Judges being held accountable is fair enough, but unless a judge is consistently scoring the opposite of their colleagues and/or the majority then you'll always get a rick here and there. Every fan moaning and groaning about judges/scoring seem to think they're an infallible perfect scorer. But if you sift through rd-by-rd threads, after the event, the fan scores are all over the shop/contradictory.
Every ex-boxer/trainer/ref/judge/spit bucketman working in TV obviously need lessons in scoring, as the "expert fans" slag the shit out of them every week.
Spot on. Judges need to be monitored and if they are consistently handing in bad cards; well outside the general consensus then they should be stood down for awhile for further training.
Re: Scoring rounds even! 10-10? What's the problem? More rounds should be 10-10. Fact
There's been boo-coo threads of scoring in general. If we're going there, there's plenty of things that can/should be done or at least considered in an effort to fix it. If it wasn't a real problem, us fans wouldn't be bellyaching after just about every decision. Nothing should be discarded initially, as all ideas deserve some consideration.
For starters, I don't get the time it takes between the end of the fight and the announcing of the decision. Sometimes we get some sort of explanation which doesn't fly. Honestly, how hard can it be to collect three cards and add the totals to the totals of the previous 11 rounds. Delays in this process, only to announce an unpopular, controversial decision, just add fuel to the fire and raises speculations of fudging or some other nonsense.
We've talked about using 5 judges instead of 3. Now we're discussing .5 increments. They've tried announcing scores mid-fight (bad idea). Bottom line is there apparently is no authoritative body within boxing whose role is to fix these maddening problems once and for all. Yes boxing is tough to score... but it is hardly the only sport which relies on judges' appreciation. Considering the time and effort that fighters spend to get ready for a fight, it continues to be shameful to leave it up to sometimes inept, sometimes corrupt (sometimes both) judges, working with a system that could certainly be improved.
Re: Scoring rounds even! 10-10? What's the problem? More rounds should be 10-10. Fact
There has always been talk of implementing new ideas to improve things but nothing seems to ever happen.
Pod index rates judges performance & consistency but is relatively unknown.
Judges having access to monitors to refer to has also been mentioned.
Using noise reducing head phones to stop distraction & crowd influence.
The use of instant replay to review and make a call.
Anyone heard of Punchforce?
There are many others. Unfortunately there is no one overall fix but some of these combined can help to improve.
Re: Scoring rounds even! 10-10? What's the problem? More rounds should be 10-10. Fact
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
Judges being held accountable is fair enough, but unless a judge is consistently scoring the opposite of their colleagues and/or the majority then you'll always get a rick here and there. Every fan moaning and groaning about judges/scoring seem to think they're an infallible perfect scorer. But if you sift through rd-by-rd threads, after the event, the fan scores are all over the shop/contradictory.
Every ex-boxer/trainer/ref/judge/spit bucketman working in TV obviously need lessons in scoring, as the "expert fans" slag the shit out of them every week.
Mate do you have any idea how difficult it is to maintain infallible scoring from home while consuming adult beverages, eating chips, ignoring phone calls all while a loud barking dog runs around the room??? That my friend is focus! It takes years to master and should not be dismissed ;D.
Yep really no difference between 9-9 or 10-10 other than one does reflect what may have actually happened in a round. I think when we have judges 'adding' points to follow a 10 point must system it can get convoluted and ripe for "mistakes" with some judges. Rules are rules though.
