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He didn’t beat Canelo (It was a draw) and Alvarez did beat the best at 154. He unified the WBC and WBA titles which awarded him The Ring title at light-middleweight (he also won the WBO on a later date) he beat Cintron, Mosley, Lara, Trout, Angulo and Kirkland at 154 so that statement you made is pure fiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
He hid at Caneloweight to avoid the top fighters and picked on Liam Smith to grab a fake belt. Everyone knows who the real champions at 154 are and it wasn't Liam Smith, and it isn't Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoHe didn’t beat Canelo (It was a draw) and Alvarez did beat the best at 154. He unified the WBC and WBA titles which awarded him The Ring title at light-middleweight (he also won the WBO on a later date) he beat Cintron, Mosley, Lara, Trout, Angulo and Kirkland at 154 so that statement you made is pure fiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
The best to unify the belts?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterGGG has beaten the best middleweights out there one after the other to unify the belts. This was even before the other champs like Strum avoided him when he was a challenger. What more can he do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Milton Nunez
Makoto Fuchigami
Marco Antonio Rubio
David Lemieux
Which of those guys that he got hisbelts from was the best?
None, they're all bums but Lara, Trout, Angullo and Kirkland were the best at 154.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonThe best to unify the belts?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterGGG has beaten the best middleweights out there one after the other to unify the belts. This was even before the other champs like Strum avoided him when he was a challenger. What more can he do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Milton Nunez
Makoto Fuchigami
Marco Antonio Rubio
David Lemieux
Which of those guys that he got hisbelts from was the best?
Lara is the only one that is a top level fighter. To be fair Trout was when Canelo fought him though. I must admit that. Angulo was used up and Kirkland was never what people thought. I was embarrassed for Canelo when he made the Kirkland fight. I understand it, bring this big guy in to look tough until he gets KOed. But doesn't change the fact Kirkland is brought in to be KOed.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoNone, they're all bums but Lara, Trout, Angullo and Kirkland were the best at 154.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonThe best to unify the belts?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterGGG has beaten the best middleweights out there one after the other to unify the belts. This was even before the other champs like Strum avoided him when he was a challenger. What more can he do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Milton Nunez
Makoto Fuchigami
Marco Antonio Rubio
David Lemieux
Which of those guys that he got hisbelts from was the best?
Kirkland was 32-1 with 28 KO's, He'd won five in a row (four by knockout) against Molina, Angulo and Tapia (who was 20-0) and that's embarrassing? Hate to know what you thought of GGG fighting Macklin, Wade, Monroe and all the other bums he fought in his title defences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Cotto and Golovkin is decent fight to make. Golovkin would start a clear favourite but he is in decline which would make it interesting to watch. The longer it goes the more you expect the bigger man to wear Cotto down. The Puerto Rican is unlikely to be able to absorb the amount of punishment a prime Canelo did but he does have the experience and moves to make it a good fight.
Triple G will do what we expect him to, come forward relentlessly, cutting off corners and taking any punches that are thrown back at him in defiance. Cotto will use angles and movement to get through the early rounds but ultimately I see it ending the same way as the 1st Margarito fight for Cotto.
I was a huge Golovkin supporter 6/7 years ago. But watching his opponents is what turned me away. Watching people excuse his opponents really.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoKirkland was 32-1 with 28 KO's, He'd won five in a row (four by knockout) against Molina, Angulo and Tapia (who was 20-0) and that's embarrassing? Hate to know what you thought of GGG fighting Macklin, Wade, Monroe and all the other bums he fought in his title defences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
I mean right now we have Jacobs available, wanting the fight. And we have GGG instead looking at yet another former WW to move up. And people feel comfortable talking about GGG was avoided, that's why he didn't fight good fighters. Ummm, what about the avoiding he does?!
Literally in a thread where we are discussing GGG looking soft rather than taking the hard available fights people are blaming the hard fight guy that wants the fight, madness.
Yeah a """draw"""......Adelaide Byrd's card was so bad she's taking a hiatus from being a judge GGG won the fight in the ring, he got jobbed by a corrupt or inept (take your pick) judge and that's a travesty.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoHe didn’t beat Canelo (It was a draw) and Alvarez did beat the best at 154. He unified the WBC and WBA titles which awarded him The Ring title at light-middleweight (he also won the WBO on a later date) he beat Cintron, Mosley, Lara, Trout, Angulo and Kirkland at 154 so that statement you made is pure fiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Right, let's get to the point. What fights are acceptable for GGG?
For me only Jacobs or BJS. Only if they're willing to fight him . (Jacobs would, BJS I'm not so sure no matter what he fucking says!) or Charlo or a step up to SMW.
What fights are acceptable for Canelo?
A rematch , or a fight with Jacobs or BJS or Charlo.
I can't think of anything else that is
acceptable..
I don't believe Cotto is acceptable for either.
We will only too soon know who is up for it or who is a pussy!
Yeah and the guy who scored it a draw is still free to work because he got the correct score... it was a drawQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYeah a """draw"""......Adelaide Byrd's card was so bad she's taking a hiatus from being a judge GGG won the fight in the ring, he got jobbed by a corrupt or inept (take your pick) judge and that's a travesty.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoHe didn’t beat Canelo (It was a draw) and Alvarez did beat the best at 154. He unified the WBC and WBA titles which awarded him The Ring title at light-middleweight (he also won the WBO on a later date) he beat Cintron, Mosley, Lara, Trout, Angulo and Kirkland at 154 so that statement you made is pure fiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
I would say Canelo has more options because he is not thought to be the best. But if he isn't fighting until May then it's GGG or nothing. Don't get me wrong I would be cool with Canelo fighting BJS, Lemieux, Jacobs, Charlo, of course GGG, Andrade, Lara, other Charlo or even a few others for example Degale, Ramirez, Dirrell, Dirrell, Benavidez or Derevyanchenko, N'Dam or even Jarrett Hurd if he was going to fight soon. But he won't fight soon and his fight will surely be PPV so it has to be GGGQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
It's different for GGG, if he's coming back with Canelo in May that does nothing to prove who is best at 160 so he needs to fight Jacobs. To do something towards proving who's best at 160. If he refuses still to fight Jacobs he has Derevyanchenko and Charlo waiting at mandatory spots. No time to waste picking on little Miguel. At worst he needs to fight BJS
Why the double standard if GGG chooses to wait until May for Canelo?
GGG is the champ and he has belts to defend. I don't personally care if he waits especially if he's only going to fight a bum in December to pad his already over padded record some more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
It's not about double standards. GGG chooses to fight more regularly, because at his age he needs every payday he can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
If team Canelo wish to wait till May , that's up to them. (I think it's bollocks but hey ho!)
My point is that from now on in , these 2 BOTH need to make top matches up and nothing else will do.
No more easy fights, people are putting these two at the top of the tree, they both need to prove it.
I'm pissed off with people having major profiles and not living up to it.