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Re: Who, From Muhammad Ali's Era, Could Wladimir Klitscko Have Beaten?
Best answer so far: "nobody". Words of wisdom and reason, cc.
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Re: Who, From Muhammad Ali's Era, Could Wladimir Klitscko Have Beaten?
Best answer so far: "nobody". Words of wisdom and reason, cc.
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Re: Who, From Muhammad Ali's Era, Could Wladimir Klitscko Have Beaten?
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Originally Posted by The Game
Best answer so far: "nobody". Words of wisdom and reason, cc.
I'd give him a shot at Quarry. 50/50
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Re: Who, From Muhammad Ali's Era, Could Wladimir Klitscko Have Beaten?
Klitchsko could certainly have beaten any of the top fighters from the 70's. Especially Cassius Clay, who is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay overrated.
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Re: Who, From Muhammad Ali's Era, Could Wladimir Klitscko Have Beaten?
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Klitchsko could certainly have beaten any of the top fighters from the 70's. Especially Cassius Clay, who is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay overrated.
I struggle to think of anyone in the Ali era that Wlad would beat more than 5 times out of ten. He has a weak chin - those guys would expose that quite quickly. 'nuff said.
Wlad might get to Norton, who was dodgy against punchers, and he might outbox Quarry. he never lays a glove on Ali, he gets battered and stopped by Frazier and Lyle and knocked cold by Foreman and Liston.
Having said that, we forget that the 70s were a real Golden Age and the fighters being talked about were all top 10 or 15 fighters in arguably the best era of all time. Wlad probably destroys the guys outside this bracket.
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Re: Who, From Muhammad Ali's Era, Could Wladimir Klitscko Have Beaten?
Wasn't that funny what I said? Give me some more cool clicks. ;D
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Re: Who, From Muhammad Ali's Era, Could Wladimir Klitscko Have Beaten?
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Wasn't that funny what I said? Give me some more cool clicks. ;D
Did you re-quote your original comment and then write 'HAHAHAHA' under it?
Why not just cool click yourself as well? (is that possible?)
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Re: Who, From Muhammad Ali's Era, Could Wladimir Klitscko Have Beaten?
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Originally Posted by Slowmotion
Klitchsko could certainly have beaten any of the top fighters from the 70's. Especially Cassius Clay, who is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay overrated.
Oh god, As was just said, Klistchko doesnt lay a shot on Ali and I believ everyone significan beats him also. I truly believe you have to go back to prime Evander, prime Tyson and maybe that one fight that Bowe fought against Holyfield, if he fought at that level, those guys might of had a chance against some people. Ali's era was unqestionably the greatest era in Heavyweight boxing and thats what magnify's his acheivements so much. If you ignored every other great fighter he faced, you would struggle to find anyone who could match coming through the Frazier trilogy and the Rumble in the Jungle. If what your saying is people rate him No.1 ever and he shouldnt be, I can accept that, SRR is No.1 in my book any day, but please dont try and diminish the great mans acheivements with that sweeping comment.
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Re: Who, From Muhammad Ali's Era, Could Wladimir Klitscko Have Beaten?
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Klitchsko could certainly have beaten any of the top fighters from the 70's. Especially Cassius Clay, who is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay overrated.
I struggle to think of anyone in the Ali era that Wlad would beat more than 5 times out of ten. He has a weak chin - those guys would expose that quite quickly. 'nuff said.
Wlad might get to Norton, who was dodgy against punchers, and he might outbox Quarry. he never lays a glove on Ali, he gets battered and stopped by Frazier and Lyle and knocked cold by Foreman and Liston.
Having said that, we forget that the 70s were a real Golden Age and the fighters being talked about were all top 10 or 15 fighters in arguably the best era of all time. Wlad probably destroys the guys outside this bracket.
Frazier could carry his power, but he'd take a beating for a while
Liston? BAH
Wlad would kill Patterson and Mathis.
Wlad would beat Terrell...Bonavena, Mildenberger, Cooper, maybe Chuvalo too. He'd destroy Bob Foster (Ali fought that light heavyweight too). Wlad could beat Jimmy Ellis and Jimmy Young.
I'm telling you Ali had BIG trouble with tall fighters with good classic boxing skills...Wlad has a good jab and although he might get out smarted or psyched out by Ali he'd give him a run for it up until the point where he's cut or down. (see Ali-Norton, Ali-Daniels) Norton couldn't take a shot but he beat Ali!
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Re: Who, From Muhammad Ali's Era, Could Wladimir Klitscko Have Beaten?
Wlad beat shavers....from what ive read and heard this guy was one of the hardest punchers alive so wlad would probably be gone in the first.
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Re: Who, From Muhammad Ali's Era, Could Wladimir Klitscko Have Beaten?
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Spinks is probably one of the worst heavyweight champs ever lol
Mike for sure. I thought he lost the 2nd fight to Holmes. And I can't remember, did he have any title defences? Seems like he maybe had 1{other than Holmes}, before he was crushed by Tyson.
Michael Spinks defended against Gerry Cooney who he knocked out. Cooney was a big guy who could punch but had a dodgy chin....oh the irony ;)
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Re: Who, From Muhammad Ali's Era, Could Wladimir Klitscko Have Beaten?
Wlad would be the biggest guy all of the aforementioned greats would face so you guys who say Tyson would easily beat Marciano are contradicting yourselves a bit.
6'6 240 ....with his hand speed and power....yes he has a lackluster chin and sometimes has stamina trouble (only with fighters that can punch, put the pressure on and have good stamina and a good chin). This means Joe Frazier, Ron Lyle, George Foreman, and maybe George Chuvalo would be favored vs Wlad. Ali is an all time great but I see a Wlad-Byrd type performance....Ali had trouble with tall guys with good boxing skill, the exact type Tyson had trouble with
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Re: Who, From Muhammad Ali's Era, Could Wladimir Klitscko Have Beaten?
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Wlad would be the biggest guy all of the aforementioned greats would face so you guys who say Tyson would easily beat Marciano are contradicting yourselves a bit.
6'6 240 ....with his hand speed and power....yes he has a lackluster chin and sometimes has stamina trouble (only with fighters that can punch, put the pressure on and have good stamina and a good chin). This means Joe Frazier, Ron Lyle, George Foreman, and maybe George Chuvalo would be favored vs Wlad. Ali is an all time great but I see a Wlad-Byrd type performance....Ali had trouble with tall guys with good boxing skill, the exact type Tyson had trouble with
People don't think Tyson would beat Marciano solely because of his size advantage. They believe so because of his simply being a better fighter. As skilled offensively as Wlad may be, his detriments far outway his assets, and that would be his downfall to virtually all world class fighters of the 70s.
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Re: Who, From Muhammad Ali's Era, Could Wladimir Klitscko Have Beaten?
jimmy ellis ,Quarry on cuts,floyd patterson, Maybe sonny liston
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Re: Who, From Muhammad Ali's Era, Could Wladimir Klitscko Have Beaten?
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People don't think Tyson would beat Marciano solely because of his size advantage. They believe so because of his simply being a better fighter. As skilled offensively as Wlad may be, his detriments far outway his assets, and that would be his downfall to virtually all world class fighters of the 70s.
Tyson might have had faster hands and a more technical approach to boxing but he wouldn't beat Marciano. Why? Heart, Chin, Stamina, the ability to carry power for 15 rounds, the ability to get up and win, the ability to KO someone when he NEEDED to.
My point is no one is comparing his strengths vs the strengths of the other guys only Wlad's weakness vs what the other guys were good at.
Vitali would battle it out with those guys too
