Re: Hearn, Wilder, Finkell, Fury one call
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Primo Carnera
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Master
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Master
Just because fat Fury wants the fight does not mean it should happen. Hearn is deliberately going for that option because it is easier and gives fury less time to make a real go at beating AJ.
AJ is Eddies cash cow, he does not want to risk it. Eddie shit his pants when AJ got knocked down by Wlad.
so come on then, tell me , when do YOU think Fury will "be ready" to beat AJ?
Hearn is a businessman, he's there to make money. It's not his fault that the biggest money fight out there is Joshua against a 25 stone coke addict! do you know who's fault it is? it's YOUR FUCKING FAULT AGAIN! and every deluded fucker that thinks that a 25 stone bi-polar binge drinking , drug user is going to find the mental discipline to
a. Lose 7 stone
b. lose it in a way that doesn't lose his strength.
c. sort his head out
d. stops taking drugs and drinking.
Given sufficient time and rehabilitation Tyson Fury
could come back. 2 years minimum.
Do you think with all his issues, he'll be able to do that ? and bear in mind that he will be 31 and won't have been a champion for 4 years.
To put it into perspective,That's longer than Ali when he came back to fight Frazier and Ali still lost, AND
1. Ali was younger
2. Ali was fitter
3. Ali didn't have any drink issues
4. Ali didn't have any drug issues
5. Ali didn't have any mental health issues.
Answers on a postcard please.:rolleyes:
Realistically No. I did write 'could'.
Re: Hearn, Wilder, Finkell, Fury one call
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Master
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Primo Carnera
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Master
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Primo Carnera
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Master
Just because fat Fury wants the fight does not mean it should happen. Hearn is deliberately going for that option because it is easier and gives fury less time to make a real go at beating AJ.
AJ is Eddies cash cow, he does not want to risk it. Eddie shit his pants when AJ got knocked down by Wlad.
so come on then, tell me , when do YOU think Fury will "be ready" to beat AJ?
Hearn is a businessman, he's there to make money. It's not his fault that the biggest money fight out there is Joshua against a 25 stone coke addict! do you know who's fault it is? it's YOUR FUCKING FAULT AGAIN! and every deluded fucker that thinks that a 25 stone bi-polar binge drinking , drug user is going to find the mental discipline to
a. Lose 7 stone
b. lose it in a way that doesn't lose his strength.
c. sort his head out
d. stops taking drugs and drinking.
Given sufficient time and rehabilitation Tyson Fury
could come back. 2 years minimum.
Do you think with all his issues, he'll be able to do that ? and bear in mind that he will be 31 and won't have been a champion for 4 years.
To put it into perspective,That's longer than Ali when he came back to fight Frazier and Ali still lost, AND
1. Ali was younger
2. Ali was fitter
3. Ali didn't have any drink issues
4. Ali didn't have any drug issues
5. Ali didn't have any mental health issues.
Answers on a postcard please.:rolleyes:
Realistically No. I did write 'could'.
So if you do think it’ll happen, why do you give a flying fuck about what Hearn says? You should be happy because he’s wasting his time.
Re: Hearn, Wilder, Finkell, Fury one call
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Primo Carnera
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Master
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Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
Just because fat Fury wants the fight does not mean it should happen. Hearn is deliberately going for that option because it is easier and gives fury less time to make a real go at beating AJ.
AJ is Eddies cash cow, he does not want to risk it. Eddie shit his pants when AJ got knocked down by Wlad.
so come on then, tell me , when do YOU think Fury will "be ready" to beat AJ?
Hearn is a businessman, he's there to make money. It's not his fault that the biggest money fight out there is Joshua against a 25 stone coke addict! do you know who's fault it is? it's YOUR FUCKING FAULT AGAIN! and every deluded fucker that thinks that a 25 stone bi-polar binge drinking , drug user is going to find the mental discipline to
a. Lose 7 stone
b. lose it in a way that doesn't lose his strength.
c. sort his head out
d. stops taking drugs and drinking.
Given sufficient time and rehabilitation Tyson Fury
could come back. 2 years minimum.
Do you think with all his issues, he'll be able to do that ? and bear in mind that he will be 31 and won't have been a champion for 4 years.
To put it into perspective,That's longer than Ali when he came back to fight Frazier and Ali still lost, AND
1. Ali was younger
2. Ali was fitter
3. Ali didn't have any drink issues
4. Ali didn't have any drug issues
5. Ali didn't have any mental health issues.
Answers on a postcard please.:rolleyes:
Realistically No. I did write 'could'.
So if you do think it’ll happen, why do you give a flying fuck about what Hearn says? You should be happy because he’s wasting his time.
That is my point! I do not think it should happen and it would be insane for people to want to see it. Fury has to jump through a lot of hurdles and I think they will be side stepped just so that the fight happens. That would be a travesty. The fact that AJ and Eddie are even contemplating it shows what they are about.
Fury is just a desperate attention seeker.
Re: Hearn, Wilder, Finkell, Fury one call
To me what should happen is obvious:
1. Joshua fights Parker in Spring - three of the four titles unified by an undefeated winner (will be joshua easily IMO)
2. Winner of fight 1 (Joshua) then fights Wilder in summer with two undefeated fighters slugging it out to be undisputed heavyweight champ and the firs man to hold all 4 belts simultaneously. Mega fight, mega money.
3. Autumn 2018/ Spring 2019 winner of fight 2 (the undisputed, undefeated heavyweight champion) then takes on the lineal undefeated champion Tyson Fury. This would be the first time in history that there is a fight between two undisputed, undefeated heavyweight champions and will be even bigger than fight 2.
Obviously, Fury will need to get fit and then have a couple of tune up fights to make fight 3 happen - and he will have to win both of these easily to make this work but if he can do it then what a set of fights this would be. Rating the boxers compared to history or not it will in time go down as a legacy of great fights for the era. 4 undefeated world champions fighting each other one after the other to determine who is the best. it has never happened before and it may never happen again.
It will make money, it will make history and it will make the fans happy.
The only logical thing to do IMO.
Re: Hearn, Wilder, Finkell, Fury one call
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PaulG
To me what should happen is obvious:
1. Joshua fights Parker in Spring - three of the four titles unified by an undefeated winner (will be joshua easily IMO)
2. Winner of fight 1 (Joshua) then fights Wilder in summer with two undefeated fighters slugging it out to be undisputed heavyweight champ and the firs man to hold all 4 belts simultaneously. Mega fight, mega money.
3. Autumn 2018/ Spring 2019 winner of fight 2 (the undisputed, undefeated heavyweight champion) then takes on the lineal undefeated champion Tyson Fury. This would be the first time in history that there is a fight between two undisputed, undefeated heavyweight champions and will be even bigger than fight 2.
Obviously, Fury will need to get fit and then have a couple of tune up fights to make fight 3 happen - and he will have to win both of these easily to make this work but if he can do it then what a set of fights this would be. Rating the boxers compared to history or not it will in time go down as a legacy of great fights for the era. 4 undefeated world champions fighting each other one after the other to determine who is the best. it has never happened before and it may never happen again.
It will make money, it will make history and it will make the fans happy.
The only logical thing to do IMO.
Sounds good, and I’m being devil’s advocate here, but why does Wilder have to wait till the summer?
Re: Hearn, Wilder, Finkell, Fury one call
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Primo Carnera
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PaulG
To me what should happen is obvious:
1. Joshua fights Parker in Spring - three of the four titles unified by an undefeated winner (will be joshua easily IMO)
2. Winner of fight 1 (Joshua) then fights Wilder in summer with two undefeated fighters slugging it out to be undisputed heavyweight champ and the firs man to hold all 4 belts simultaneously. Mega fight, mega money.
3. Autumn 2018/ Spring 2019 winner of fight 2 (the undisputed, undefeated heavyweight champion) then takes on the lineal undefeated champion Tyson Fury. This would be the first time in history that there is a fight between two undisputed, undefeated heavyweight champions and will be even bigger than fight 2.
Obviously, Fury will need to get fit and then have a couple of tune up fights to make fight 3 happen - and he will have to win both of these easily to make this work but if he can do it then what a set of fights this would be. Rating the boxers compared to history or not it will in time go down as a legacy of great fights for the era. 4 undefeated world champions fighting each other one after the other to determine who is the best. it has never happened before and it may never happen again.
It will make money, it will make history and it will make the fans happy.
The only logical thing to do IMO.
Sounds good, and I’m being devil’s advocate here, but why does Wilder have to wait till the summer?
Business reasons. Wilder brings less money to the table than Joshua so it makes sense to have a unification fight for all 4 titles in the USA once there are no more world titles out there. There is more money in a total unification fight than if Parker still has one of the titles.
It would work if Wilder fought Parker and Joshua and him came together with two titles each - but I doubt that a Wilder Parker fight would pay Parker enough and it would also mean Joshua (and Hearn) missing out on a pay day. Since a Joshua fight will make Parker more money than a Wilder fight then it makes logical sense to go this way round - but Parker could choose to fight Wilder if he wanted.
IMO both Joshua and Wilder spark Parker without any problems, but since Parker is also unbeaten the format works whoever wins or loses at any stage because we will still emerge with an unbeaten unified champion to fight the unbeaten lineal champion (Fury) in the final fight. There would be much less money in it all if that person was Parker though. Joshua brings the most money to the table, then Wilder then Parker. Fury is the wildcard but the setup only works if he is the last fight anyway. He is lineal champion so the others have to fight off to face him (for max money effect I am talking here - not necessarily because he deserves it).
Re: Hearn, Wilder, Finkell, Fury one call
Yeah, but what if Parker and Wilder Both think they could beat each other and the Joshua fight will always be there, EXCEPT that because the winner has 2 titles and has unified ,’they’ll get a bigger slice of the pie?
Like I said, I’m being Devils advocate, but not everybody wants to jump to Hearn’s beat.
