Art of the Jab..

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Originally Posted by Master

Did you notice AJ trying to time a right hand over the jab. It caused Wlad to throws left hook at times instead of the jab.

AJ stopped Wlad after he caught him throwing a jab at the start of the 11th round.

Jabs can make you predictable which is why I think Roy Jones Jr did not throw too many.

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Completely different styles Wlad lead with the jab, RJJ was a counterpuncher he wanted to invite his opponent to swing and then cut him up with the counters

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Master

Did you notice AJ trying to time a right hand over the jab. It caused Wlad to throws left hook at times instead of the jab.

AJ stopped Wlad after he caught him throwing a jab at the start of the 11th round.

Jabs can make you predictable which is why I think Roy Jones Jr did not throw too many.

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Completely different styles Wlad lead with the jab, RJJ was a counterpuncher he wanted to invite his opponent to swing and then cut him up with the counters

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I was not comparing the fighters just the use of the jab.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Master

Did you notice AJ trying to time a right hand over the jab. It caused Wlad to throws left hook at times instead of the jab.

AJ stopped Wlad after he caught him throwing a jab at the start of the 11th round.

Jabs can make you predictable which is why I think Roy Jones Jr did not throw too many.

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Completely different styles Wlad lead with the jab, RJJ was a counterpuncher he wanted to invite his opponent to swing and then cut him up with the counters

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I was not comparing the fighters just the use of the jab.

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Yeah their use of the jab would be different considering they fought using different styles and tactics....but I guess that's wrong somehow :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Master

Did you notice AJ trying to time a right hand over the jab. It caused Wlad to throws left hook at times instead of the jab.

AJ stopped Wlad after he caught him throwing a jab at the start of the 11th round.

Jabs can make you predictable which is why I think Roy Jones Jr did not throw too many.

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Completely different styles Wlad lead with the jab, RJJ was a counterpuncher he wanted to invite his opponent to swing and then cut him up with the counters

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I was not comparing the fighters just the use of the jab.

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Yeah their use of the jab would be different considering they fought using different styles and tactics....but I guess that's wrong somehow :rolleyes:

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I was not saying you were wrong. I made a comment about Else and his use.

Then I thought of a drawback of a consistent jab which AJ exploited.

Then I figured that was a reason why Roy never made better use of it.

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

And, if he is good, he knows he is out of range and won't react at all to a short jab.

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good. you get to win. he gets to watch.

otherwise it gets them real antsy. and they start thinking they got to make something happen. what that means is they start throwing punches when they shouldnt. the only choice they have.

you throw a jab just short. he counters. since you threw it just short you see it. so you press down on your front foot and push off into your step back.

https://i.imgur.com/oRnO1Xv.gif

or when you step back you walk him into your stuff.

https://i.imgur.com/9Qbfw0b.gif

these days we are all calling that a check hook.

its worth noting that just cause you throw your jab just short

https://i.imgur.com/eqKFjdp.gif

doesnt mean youre not in range to hit a guy with your right hand.

https://i.imgur.com/u3J7mKa.gif

provided of course you can throw your right hand the right way. that is with your upper body moving over your front leg. your chest coming just over your front knee.

Yeah and if you miss that shot like that you get knocked down the way Archie Moore knocked down Rocky Marciano in the second round of their fight. Dangerous punch for the thrower, about as dangerous as a leadoff uppercut like the one Buster Douglas through and then got knocked out after by Evander Holyfield

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Originally Posted by Yuzo

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

And, if he is good, he knows he is out of range and won't react at all to a short jab.

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good. you get to win. he gets to watch.

otherwise it gets them real antsy. and they start thinking they got to make something happen. what that means is they start throwing punches when they shouldnt. the only choice they have.

you throw a jab just short. he counters. since you threw it just short you see it. so you press down on your front foot and push off into your step back.

https://i.imgur.com/oRnO1Xv.gif

or when you step back you walk him into your stuff.

https://i.imgur.com/9Qbfw0b.gif

these days we are all calling that a check hook.

its worth noting that just cause you throw your jab just short

https://i.imgur.com/eqKFjdp.gif

doesnt mean youre not in range to hit a guy with your right hand.

https://i.imgur.com/u3J7mKa.gif

provided of course you can throw your right hand the right way. that is with your upper body moving over your front leg. your chest coming just over your front knee.

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Great visuals.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Yeah and if you miss that shot like that you get knocked down the way Archie Moore knocked down Rocky Marciano in the second round of their fight. Dangerous punch for the thrower, about as dangerous as a leadoff uppercut like the one Buster Douglas through and then got knocked out after by Evander Holyfield

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you never need to get hit by that counter. when you miss a right hand bring your forearm over your face.

https://i.imgur.com/YtcUzf2.gif

that lets you catch the counter right uppercut in the palm of your glove.

https://i.imgur.com/bBopPm1.gif

you wont see that move a lot these days.

lets talk about right hands.

two guys trade a pair of right hands. one guy is throwing his right hand the right way. his upper body moves over his front leg. his chest comes just over his front knee. the guy throwing his right hand the right way slips the right hand coming at him through the space next to his right ear and over his right shoulder. and, the guy who cant, gets hit.

https://i.imgur.com/ry4Tyg1.gif

thats cause when you throw your right hand the right way, your head moves off center, naturally preforming a slipping motion.

https://i.imgur.com/sXPjVkU.gif

when you throw your right hand and you just stay upright, your head never moves off center, so its a sitting duck. thats the most dangerous way to throw your right hand.

Great advice thank you

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Originally Posted by Yuzo

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

And, if he is good, he knows he is out of range and won't react at all to a short jab.

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good. you get to win. he gets to watch.

otherwise it gets them real antsy. and they start thinking they got to make something happen. what that means is they start throwing punches when they shouldnt. the only choice they have.

you throw a jab just short. he counters. since you threw it just short you see it. so you press down on your front foot and push off into your step back.

https://i.imgur.com/oRnO1Xv.gif

or when you step back you walk him into your stuff.

https://i.imgur.com/9Qbfw0b.gif

these days we are all calling that a check hook.

its worth noting that just cause you throw your jab just short

https://i.imgur.com/eqKFjdp.gif

doesnt mean youre not in range to hit a guy with your right hand.

https://i.imgur.com/u3J7mKa.gif

provided of course you can throw your right hand the right way. that is with your upper body moving over your front leg. your chest coming just over your front knee.

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Again, a brilliant post. Especially the part about landing the right hand when the jab is short.

Too many fighters paw with their left jab and pay the consequences. It's even evident in these short video clips. If your jab does nothing but become a useless exercise, you're bound to get caught with a good counter. The good effective jabs are the ones that snap back the opponent's head. At the full extension of the jab, if you freeze the frame, you'll see the jabber's body a bit diagonal, leaning into the jab. The right hand still at home to protect against a hook, but the jab is fully extended and the body is a bit diagonal and leaning into the punch. Many people confuse this with the snapping jab, thrown with speed, but without body commitment. That's ok if you're on the move, but if you really mean to set up the opponent for a straight right hand, the jab should be thrown through the head with a bit of body behind it.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Too many fighters paw with their left jab and pay the consequences. It's even evident in these short video clips. If your jab does nothing but become a useless exercise, you're bound to get caught with a good counter. The good effective jabs are the ones that snap back the opponent's head. At the full extension of the jab, if you freeze the frame, you'll see the jabber's body a bit diagonal, leaning into the jab. The right hand still at home to protect against a hook, but the jab is fully extended and the body is a bit diagonal and leaning into the punch. Many people confuse this with the snapping jab, thrown with speed, but without body commitment. That's ok if you're on the move, but if you really mean to set up the opponent for a straight right hand, the jab should be thrown through the head with a bit of body behind it.

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There are fighters who fall into the trap of picking 1 way to use the jab and not veering off that course. The guys with the best jabs used it multiple ways. It's like if you're a pitcher in baseball, you're not going to throw fastball, fastball, fastball, fastball with no variation at all because hitters will be sitting on the fastball and eventually they'll catch up to it no matter if you're throwing it 200 mph! Getting an opponent off balance is a lot easier when you can utilize the jab for multiple purposes. It's easier to crack open a defense when you have a good jab that you can fool around with doing multiple things.....tapping the guard to lull your opponent into thinking he's safe, swiping the guard down, moving the guard around to open up a window for a hook or cross.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Too many fighters paw with their left jab and pay the consequences. It's even evident in these short video clips. If your jab does nothing but become a useless exercise, you're bound to get caught with a good counter. The good effective jabs are the ones that snap back the opponent's head. At the full extension of the jab, if you freeze the frame, you'll see the jabber's body a bit diagonal, leaning into the jab. The right hand still at home to protect against a hook, but the jab is fully extended and the body is a bit diagonal and leaning into the punch. Many people confuse this with the snapping jab, thrown with speed, but without body commitment. That's ok if you're on the move, but if you really mean to set up the opponent for a straight right hand, the jab should be thrown through the head with a bit of body behind it.

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when you step into your jab you can throw a good hard jab. but youre the guy taking risks. you throw your jab just short now he becomes the guy sticking his neck out there taking risks. you can take all the risks. or you can let him take all the risks. put differently, theres two kinds of boxers. smart ones. and crazy ones.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Getting an opponent off balance is a lot easier when you can utilize the jab for multiple purposes. It's easier to crack open a defense when you have a good jab that you can fool around with doing multiple things.....tapping the guard to lull your opponent into thinking he's safe, swiping the guard down, moving the guard around to open up a window for a hook or cross.

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my thinking is a bit different. i figure why try to confuse him. he wont know what to do so now you dont know what to do either. but you give him the same jab. you relax him. he'll show you what he wants to do. and cause you let him show you what he wants to do now you know what to do.

give him the same jab.

https://i.imgur.com/YrLFpli.gif

he shows you he wants to get inside it.

https://i.imgur.com/kiKwR49.gif

you give him the jab he wants. you put your right hand exactly where he showed you to put it.

https://i.imgur.com/zb1ij85.gif

you freak him out he wont know what he wants to do with himself. but you relax him he'll tell you his life story.

Fair enough...I just think it's nice to have options because you're going to come across different styles and if your jab can do it all, then you've pretty much got the perfect punch for any occasion.

I don't disagree with your take on it though