Re: Roger Waters: "Neoliberal propaganda keeping voters ‘asleep’ like Orwellian sheep
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brocktonblockbust
So please explain who started Political correctness
I will start a thread. This is not the thread for such a big question.
Re: Roger Waters: "Neoliberal propaganda keeping voters ‘asleep’ like Orwellian sheep
I disagree that Peterson is neo liberal, Beanz. He said himself that on many things he is liberal meaning progressive. He just accepts that there is a natural struggle between left and right and that this is healthy. My take on that is that we cannot all be equal but by the same token we don't want people starving in the streets. It's about finding that optimal balance. Seems like an ordinary bloke in that regard. You seem to have become a bit obsessed with Peterson, but really I do not consider him to be akin to Thatcher or Reagan in the slightest.
On the topic of Shine on you crazy diamond I do enjoy that song, but think the rest of the album is tedious. I like what Waters says politically, I really do, but I just find his music does not touch me.
Re: Roger Waters: "Neoliberal propaganda keeping voters ‘asleep’ like Orwellian sheep
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Gandalf
I disagree that Peterson is neo liberal, Beanz. He said himself that on many things he is liberal meaning progressive. He just accepts that there is a natural struggle between left and right and that this is healthy. My take on that is that we cannot all be equal but by the same token we don't want people starving in the streets. It's about finding that optimal balance. Seems like an ordinary bloke in that regard. You seem to have become a bit obsessed with Peterson, but really I do not consider him to be akin to Thatcher or Reagan in the slightest.
On the topic of Shine on you crazy diamond I do enjoy that song, but think the rest of the album is tedious. I like what Waters says politically, I really do, but I just find his music does not touch me.
I can see why you would say that because on the surface his claims would distance himself from those who see terms like liberal and progressive as being interchangeable with having no moral values and favouring a descent from order into chaos. All his actions and most of his rhetoric though confirm that Neo liberalism is an ideology he shares with Thatcher. It is at the heart of everything he has written and lectured about. Everything is reduced down to competition and hierarchies. When Thatcher said
"I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand “I have a problem, it is the Government's job to cope with it!” or “I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!” “I am homeless, the Government must house me!” and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first."
Do you really think that is so different to JP?He believes in non-regulated capitalism just like a Neo-liberal. He is in short a conservative. When he calls himself a 'Classic British Liberal' it's just another way of him saying two things at once, but that does not mean progressive it means economic liberalism surely? You are the Politics and History graduate, I may be mistaken. He seems to believe in social Darwinism and conservative values.
Re: Roger Waters: "Neoliberal propaganda keeping voters ‘asleep’ like Orwellian sheep
If you had quoted Peterson saying that then I would no doubt agree with you, but Peterson has not said such words. I think it is what you want Peterson to be rather than what he is. I haven't really seen anything in his writing to suggest to me he is a neo liberal. You seem to think advocating personal responsibility makes someone an automatic neo liberal, but Peterson also argues that there is as much need of the left as there is of the right and this struggle is how we optimise society. My own views are a little bit different, but that's how Peterson thinks. Certainly my take on him anyway.
Re: Roger Waters: "Neoliberal propaganda keeping voters ‘asleep’ like Orwellian sheep
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Beanz
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Gandalf
I disagree that Peterson is neo liberal, Beanz. He said himself that on many things he is liberal meaning progressive. He just accepts that there is a natural struggle between left and right and that this is healthy. My take on that is that we cannot all be equal but by the same token we don't want people starving in the streets. It's about finding that optimal balance. Seems like an ordinary bloke in that regard. You seem to have become a bit obsessed with Peterson, but really I do not consider him to be akin to Thatcher or Reagan in the slightest.
On the topic of Shine on you crazy diamond I do enjoy that song, but think the rest of the album is tedious. I like what Waters says politically, I really do, but I just find his music does not touch me.
I can see why you would say that because on the surface his claims would distance himself from those who see terms like liberal and progressive as being interchangeable with having no moral values and favouring a descent from order into chaos. All his actions and most of his rhetoric though confirm that Neo liberalism is an ideology he shares with Thatcher. It is at the heart of everything he has written and lectured about. Everything is reduced down to competition and hierarchies. When Thatcher said
"I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand “I have a problem, it is the Government's job to cope with it!” or “I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!” “I am homeless, the Government must house me!” and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first."
Do you really think that is so different to JP?He believes in non-regulated capitalism just like a Neo-liberal. He is in short a conservative. When he calls himself a 'Classic British Liberal' it's just another way of him saying two things at once, but that does not mean progressive it means economic liberalism surely? You are the Politics and History graduate, I may be mistaken. He seems to believe in social Darwinism and conservative values.
I thought the Thatcher quote was about the black kids carving each other up.
