I do not think Canelo has improved enough to beat that Floyd he lost against. He is still slow footed, does not cut the ring enough and gets out boxed for many rounds.
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I do not think Canelo has improved enough to beat that Floyd he lost against. He is still slow footed, does not cut the ring enough and gets out boxed for many rounds.
wasn't trout for the ring belt? he was considered a top guy. i know you said floyd but was it clever matching? it was good money but a serious challenge against one of the best fighters of recent times. he chose to fight erislandy. do you think he was the pick to win the ggg fights? so sergiy d shouldn't have bothered fighting the old guy? he fought jacobs after his performance against ggg. by saying matched cleverly you make it sound like he wasn't in risky fights. every fighter has some padding. canelo would retire callum, dmitry & artur are big risks who fight two weights above middleweight & as you say canelo started at welterweightQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Trout - meh ! Why shouldn’t he have fought him and beat him at the time? Or do you have to have a whole career of dead certs?Quote:
Originally Posted by TICdo you think austin, floyd, erislandy, ggg & jacobs were clever matching?Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Floyd - no . I said that, if you care to look.
Lara - a lot of people thought he lost.
GGG - undoubtedly yes! I have to say it’s just as much Golovkin’s fault for hanging on Canelo’s nuts for the big payday. But there’s no doubt he waited for Golovkin to grow old . Have to say, he fully deserved his win and draw in my opinion .
Jacobs - kinda. I like Jacobs, but he wasn’t active enough in his career fights wise for whatever reasons , GBP took advantage of that and sneaked a win.
You make it sound like me saying he was cleverly matched is a criticism, whereas it’s not , if anything it’s a compliment. “Law of the Jungle, A-side,B-side” and all that.
But hey, i’ll See your names, and raise you Rhodes, Hatton, Gomez,Cintron , Moseley, Angulo, Kirkland, Khan, Liam Smith, Chavez, Fielding and Kovalev, and tell me he wasn’t “cleverly matched” against them?
Don’t get me wrong, with his record, I wouldn’t argue too strongly with his p4p ranking.
It’s not insulting him to say he could lose to Callum Smith and he would lose to Bivol and Beterbiev. they’re bigger guys with loads of power to someone who started at WW.
canelo fights at middleweight & above these days, floyd was never great enough to make it to that weightQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
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Originally Posted by TICcanelo fights at middleweight & above these days, floyd was never great enough big enough to begin with to make it to that weightQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Fixed it for ya. :p
no i had it right the first time. other greats started at lighter weights than floyd & fought at middleweight. you are like this girl when someone mentions caneloQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICcanelo fights at middleweight & above these days, floyd was never great enough big enough to begin with to make it to that weightQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Fixed it for ya. :p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0GW0Vnr9Yc
Ah, but you weren't talking about "other greats" were you.
You were talking about Floyd and Canelo, with the supreme, foolish ignorance that would drive you to mention them in the same sentence.
Canelo started his career at 140 before quickly moving to welter... hardly a stretch that he would balloon up to light heavy, all the while claiming he couldn't.... and dragging people to catchweights.
Floyd started at superfeather and stayed there for quite some time.
But you just keep drinking that fanboy Kook-Aid and telling us how Canelo belongs in the same universe as Floyd.
Meanwhile I'll get you some SCA monogrammed kneepads for Christmas.
are you beanz? telling people what they were saying. i was replying to master who said he doesn't think canelo has improved enough to beat floyd. i said canelo now fights at middleweight & above, a weight that floyd was never great enough to fight at. other greats who started lighter than floyd & went to middleweight or higher are greater than floyd for that reason alone. so we can't say floyd would beat canelo as a middleweight, because he wasn't great enough to fight at that weight, like other greats did. nothing about canelo being a great, i'll wait until his career is overQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
My point still stands, I do not think Canelo has technically improved enough to beat that Floyd he lost against.
He still has slow foot work, does not effectively cut the ring quick enough and gets out boxed for far too many rounds.
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Originally Posted by TICare you beanz? telling people what they were saying. i was replying to master who said he doesn't think canelo has improved enough to beat floyd. i said canelo now fights at middleweight & above, a weight that floyd was never great enough to fight at. other greats who started lighter than floyd & went to middleweight or higher are greater than floyd for that reason alone. so we can't say floyd would beat canelo as a middleweight, because he wasn't great enough to fight at that weight, like other greats did. nothing about canelo being a great, i'll wait until his career is overQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Oh heavens no! BTW, you can't use profanities in here.
You said "floyd was never great enough to make it to that weight"
I corrected you and said it's not a matter of not being "great enough". Floyd started at superfeather, surely you must know enough to know it's quite a stretch to expect Floyd to be successful at middle.
It doesn't matter which dumbasses might agree with you.
it is a matter of not being great enough. other greats started at lighter weights than floyd but tested themselves at middleweight, it is a great stretch to start so light & test yourself at middleweight, never mentioned success. surely if other greats have done it then someone who considers themselves the best ever should be held to the same standard yeh? so my statement stands, floyd was never great enough to make it to that weightQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICare you beanz? telling people what they were saying. i was replying to master who said he doesn't think canelo has improved enough to beat floyd. i said canelo now fights at middleweight & above, a weight that floyd was never great enough to fight at. other greats who started lighter than floyd & went to middleweight or higher are greater than floyd for that reason alone. so we can't say floyd would beat canelo as a middleweight, because he wasn't great enough to fight at that weight, like other greats did. nothing about canelo being a great, i'll wait until his career is overQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Oh heavens no! BTW, you can't use profanities in here.
You said "floyd was never great enough to make it to that weight"
I corrected you and said it's not a matter of not being "great enough". Floyd started at superfeather, surely you must know enough to know it's quite a stretch to expect Floyd to be successful at middle.
It doesn't matter which dumbasses might agree with you.
canelo of the second ggg fight beats that floydQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
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Originally Posted by TICit is a matter of not being great enough. other greats started at lighter weights than floyd but tested themselves at middleweight, it is a great stretch to start so light & test yourself at middleweight, never mentioned success. surely if other greats have done it then someone who considers themselves the best ever should be held to the same standard yeh? so my statement stands, floyd was never great enough to make it to that weightQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICare you beanz? telling people what they were saying. i was replying to master who said he doesn't think canelo has improved enough to beat floyd. i said canelo now fights at middleweight & above, a weight that floyd was never great enough to fight at. other greats who started lighter than floyd & went to middleweight or higher are greater than floyd for that reason alone. so we can't say floyd would beat canelo as a middleweight, because he wasn't great enough to fight at that weight, like other greats did. nothing about canelo being a great, i'll wait until his career is overQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Oh heavens no! BTW, you can't use profanities in here.
You said "floyd was never great enough to make it to that weight"
I corrected you and said it's not a matter of not being "great enough". Floyd started at superfeather, surely you must know enough to know it's quite a stretch to expect Floyd to be successful at middle.
It doesn't matter which dumbasses might agree with you.
Suit yourself. There's been many a great, ATG fighter who has never ventured too far up the weights. But if that's your prerequisite, then ok.
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Originally Posted by TICcanelo of the second ggg fight beats that floydQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Too bad he'll never get the chance and will have that 12-round whitewashing stand on its own.
i never said that is my prerequisite, just that floyd wasn't great enough to make it to that weightQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICit is a matter of not being great enough. other greats started at lighter weights than floyd but tested themselves at middleweight, it is a great stretch to start so light & test yourself at middleweight, never mentioned success. surely if other greats have done it then someone who considers themselves the best ever should be held to the same standard yeh? so my statement stands, floyd was never great enough to make it to that weightQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICare you beanz? telling people what they were saying. i was replying to master who said he doesn't think canelo has improved enough to beat floyd. i said canelo now fights at middleweight & above, a weight that floyd was never great enough to fight at. other greats who started lighter than floyd & went to middleweight or higher are greater than floyd for that reason alone. so we can't say floyd would beat canelo as a middleweight, because he wasn't great enough to fight at that weight, like other greats did. nothing about canelo being a great, i'll wait until his career is overQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Oh heavens no! BTW, you can't use profanities in here.
You said "floyd was never great enough to make it to that weight"
I corrected you and said it's not a matter of not being "great enough". Floyd started at superfeather, surely you must know enough to know it's quite a stretch to expect Floyd to be successful at middle.
It doesn't matter which dumbasses might agree with you.
Suit yourself. There's been many a great, ATG fighter who has never ventured too far up the weights. But if that's your prerequisite, then ok.
no shame in losing to a great fighterQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICcanelo of the second ggg fight beats that floydQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Too bad he'll never get the chance and will have that 12-round whitewashing stand on its own.