Re: POLL:Who Has The Best Chance of Beating PBF?
Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
First off everyone seems to think Hatton is another Gatti??
I cant believe that anyone thinks Floyd will box his head off, i hear Hatton has no speed, Floyd is quicker but Hatton was beating KT to the jab everytime whcih was allowing him to get close up, people seem to think that Hatton is going to be taking four or five shots everytime he trys to get close, he wont, he is the stronger man just wait and see, Floyd will not be able to keep him off, do people really think Hatton is going to do a Gatti and just stand there hahahaha, we will see this is a 50/50 fight, Hatton will take a few shots but dont under estimate his speed and especially his jab which i think will enable him to come in and dictate the pace, where will Floyd get the room to be popping his head off as most of you think?? Hatton will only be at long range for short spaces of time.
Please please please people do not think Hatton Mayweather will be anything like Gatti-Mayweather because it wont.
Agree with you skel, Hatton has a great chance with EDUCATED pressure. His body attack is second to none, his speed is (clearly) underated and power can match a lot of boxer's. This will no way be like Gatti, Hatton is in his prime, Gatti was long past it. Hatton has only had to endure one semi-war, Gatti was worn down by several. Hatton is also a lot better at actually getting inside and when he does he's formidable.
To address weight questions, clearly none of you have seen Hatton when he's not fighting. This guy balloons massively between fights, he's gonna have to lose less weight fighting at WW and less weight drained = more power.
I dont believe anyone else has a chance taking down PBF (At WW)
Re: POLL:Who Has The Best Chance of Beating PBF?
The argument of Hatton Mayweather can roll around for days & days & days...but my thinking is that Hatton has never faced anyone as slick as Floyd...Floyd has faced a few fighters that come forward & pressure like Hatton...maybe not as powerful as Hatton...but about the same style.
The pace that Hatton dictates is what will give Floyd trouble. Judah was pouring it on pretty heavy for the first four or five of their fight & it gave Floyd issues...he did adapt about the mid of the fourth & then it was on for Mayweather.
I like Floyd on the ropes...Hatton in the center of the ring.
It'll be a great fight...but not a one sided affair for either.
This could finally be our generation's shot at a recap of Hagler Hearns or Hearns Leonard...depending on how you look at it.
Let's just try & be grateful of that.
Re: POLL:Who Has The Best Chance of Beating PBF?
Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
The argument of Hatton Mayweather can roll around for days & days & days...but my thinking is that Hatton has never faced anyone as slick as Floyd...Floyd has faced a few fighters that come forward & pressure like Hatton...maybe not as powerful as Hatton...but about the same style.
The pace that Hatton dictates is what will give Floyd trouble. Judah was pouring it on pretty heavy for the first four or five of their fight & it gave Floyd issues...he did adapt about the mid of the fourth & then it was on for Mayweather.
I like Floyd on the ropes...Hatton in the center of the ring.
It'll be a great fight...but not a one sided affair for either.
This could finally be our generation's shot at a recap of Hagler Hearns or Hearns Leonard...depending on how you look at it.
Let's just try & be grateful of that.
Thats the best assesment of the fight I've heard in a while, if i could CC I would.
I was simply focusing on how Hatton has a better chance than the others that were listed, he would give Floyd the most problems And Floyd without doubt would give Ricky more problems than he has ever had.
I want this fight to happen sooooo bad, it would kill me if we missed these guys fighting in their prime. However, I think Ricky needs the publicity of another couple of State side fights to turn this into Mega fight status before it can happen.
Re: POLL:Who Has The Best Chance of Beating PBF?
I think you guys are being too shortsighted. Mayweather's plan has always been to be a 5 weight world champ like De La Hoya. Now he's IBF welterweight champ he'll already be making plans to move up to 154lbs.
Maybe Margarito will get a shot, maybe Judah will be able to force a rematch but I don't see either of these fighters beating Mayweather, not even close.
Hatton has yet to fight at 147 lb and letsd be honest there is no way in hell he could make 154, he's only 5ft 6 and got short little arms 147 is is max weight limit.
So Hatton and Mayweather ain't going to be getting on in the near future. Hatton's destiny lies with Cotto and Castillo not Mayweather.
Mayweather will now have his sights on the 154lb division and so it's the following names that could be future opponents for him,
1) ODH, if he gets past Mayorga this would be the big one. A massive payday for both fighters and record PPV's outside the heavyweights. A 50/50 toss up imo.
2) Shane Mosely, Could take place at 147 or 154, a natural choice for Mayweather, big name, loads of PPV's
3)Kasim Ouma, quality fighter at 154, again big matchup
4)Karmazin, A big target for Mayweather, world champ but not the best in the division. Mayweather would take him on for the chance to be 5 weight champ. Great fight.
5)Joel Julio, Still learning and a year or two away from challenging for a world title but this kid could be the future at 154 lbs so a mega clash between the two could happen in late 2007. I reckon Julio has the best chance of all of them to beat Mayweather. Huge puncher, very big and strong for the weight, and suprisingly seeing as he has hardly any amateur background, he can box.
Re: POLL:Who Has The Best Chance of Beating PBF?
I disagree totally Bilbo.
He might well want the 5 weight titles, but Hatton is a cash cow mate and we all know Floyd loves the $$$$$ and the Hatton Mayweather fight is by far the best option $$$$ and especially if Hatton does a number on a fighter like Castillo or Corrlaes.
This fight is certain to happen only one thing can de rail this fight one of them get sbeat badly.
Re: POLL:Who Has The Best Chance of Beating PBF?
Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
I think you guys are being too shortsighted. Mayweather's plan has always been to be a 5 weight world champ like De La Hoya. Now he's IBF welterweight champ he'll already be making plans to move up to 154lbs.
Maybe Margarito will get a shot, maybe Judah will be able to force a rematch but I don't see either of these fighters beating Mayweather, not even close.
Hatton has yet to fight at 147 lb and letsd be honest there is no way in hell he could make 154, he's only 5ft 6 and got short little arms 147 is is max weight limit.
So Hatton and Mayweather ain't going to be getting on in the near future. Hatton's destiny lies with Cotto and Castillo not Mayweather.
Mayweather will now have his sights on the 154lb division and so it's the following names that could be future opponents for him,
1) ODH, if he gets past Mayorga this would be the big one. A massive payday for both fighters and record PPV's outside the heavyweights. A 50/50 toss up imo.
2) Shane Mosely, Could take place at 147 or 154, a natural choice for Mayweather, big name, loads of PPV's
3)Kasim Ouma, quality fighter at 154, again big matchup
4)Karmazin, A big target for Mayweather, world champ but not the best in the division. Mayweather would take him on for the chance to be 5 weight champ. Great fight.
5)Joel Julio, Still learning and a year or two away from challenging for a world title but this kid could be the future at 154 lbs so a mega clash between the two could happen in late 2007. I reckon Julio has the best chance of all of them to beat Mayweather. Huge puncher, very big and strong for the weight, and suprisingly seeing as he has hardly any amateur background, he can box.
Good god I hope your wrong, although what your saying makes complete and utter sense in line with Mayweather's "dream". Maybe if someone could convince Mayweather fighting possibly legendary fights and gaining legit status as a champ (instead of just the IBF at WW and not facing the real champ at JW) would cement his "All time Great" status that he seeks a lot more than flying up the weights without facing his number 1 contenders.
All those who are considered All time greats, faced there biggest threats. De La Hoya might have also been a five weight champion but he also fought tough fights in the better parts of his career (Hopkins, Tito and Suger Shane to name a few).
Mayweather needs to be more concerned with possible great fights with Hatton, Cotto etc. rather than his "dream."
Re: POLL:Who Has The Best Chance of Beating PBF?
Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
I disagree totally Bilbo.
He might well want the 5 weight titles, but Hatton is a cash cow mate and we all know Floyd loves the $$$$$ and the Hatton Mayweather fight is by far the best option $$$$ and especially if Hatton does a number on a fighter like Castillo or Corrlaes.
This fight is certain to happen only one thing can de rail this fight one of them get sbeat badly.
I agree that if the money was right he might be tempted but Mayweather's goal has always been to be the fastest man to win world titles in at 5 different weights. I belive DLH did it in 10 years and Mayweather is about 7 years as a pro now.
More than anything he wants a world title at 154 lbs now. If a Margarito fight is already scheduled and if he has to rematch Judah then that would be 2006 over.
For Mayweather the clock is ticking and he wants that 154 title bad.
Personally I see the DLH or Shane Mosely fights as the most likely of the list offered but I reckon he will already be eying up the 154 lbs now. Maybe one more fight at 147 then move up again...........
But actually I don't think Mayweather should be criticised for this. People always say he should stay and dominate one division, but actually he sets higher standards for himself. I mean to set out from the beginning with the goal of being a 5 weight world champ takes one hell of a self belief. And the quicker he fufills that goal the less likely anybody else will come close to replicating it.
Personally if he does move up again then from his point of view I think he will be doing the right thing.
Re: POLL:Who Has The Best Chance of Beating PBF?
Quote:
Originally Posted by AC-Cobra
Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
I think you guys are being too shortsighted. Mayweather's plan has always been to be a 5 weight world champ like De La Hoya. Now he's IBF welterweight champ he'll already be making plans to move up to 154lbs.
Maybe Margarito will get a shot, maybe Judah will be able to force a rematch but I don't see either of these fighters beating Mayweather, not even close.
Hatton has yet to fight at 147 lb and letsd be honest there is no way in hell he could make 154, he's only 5ft 6 and got short little arms 147 is is max weight limit.
So Hatton and Mayweather ain't going to be getting on in the near future. Hatton's destiny lies with Cotto and Castillo not Mayweather.
Mayweather will now have his sights on the 154lb division and so it's the following names that could be future opponents for him,
1) ODH, if he gets past Mayorga this would be the big one. A massive payday for both fighters and record PPV's outside the heavyweights. A 50/50 toss up imo.
2) Shane Mosely, Could take place at 147 or 154, a natural choice for Mayweather, big name, loads of PPV's
3)Kasim Ouma, quality fighter at 154, again big matchup
4)Karmazin, A big target for Mayweather, world champ but not the best in the division. Mayweather would take him on for the chance to be 5 weight champ. Great fight.
5)Joel Julio, Still learning and a year or two away from challenging for a world title but this kid could be the future at 154 lbs so a mega clash between the two could happen in late 2007. I reckon Julio has the best chance of all of them to beat Mayweather. Huge puncher, very big and strong for the weight, and suprisingly seeing as he has hardly any amateur background, he can box.
Good god I hope your wrong, although what your saying makes complete and utter sense in line with Mayweather's "dream". Maybe if someone could convince Mayweather fighting possibly legendary fights and gaining legit status as a champ (instead of just the IBF at WW and not facing the real champ at JW) would cement his "All time Great" status that he seeks a lot more than flying up the weights without facing his number 1 contenders.
All those who are considered All time greats, faced there biggest threats. De La Hoya might have also been a five weight champion but he also fought tough fights in the better parts of his career (Hopkins, Tito and Suger Shane to name a few).
Mayweather needs to be more concerned with possible great fights with Hatton, Cotto etc. rather than his "dream."
I think we lose sight of the fact that Mayweather HAS faced some of the best in each division. I mean he's got wins over Hernandez, Corrales, Chavez, Castillo (twice), Gatti and now Judah.
Come on, I don't see many other fighters with a better resume than that ;)
Re: POLL:Who Has The Best Chance of Beating PBF?
Quote:
Originally Posted by meowza
It was the speed that allowed Judah to do some good work early on.
Hatton doesn't have that kind of speed by any means.
I think Floyd would rake him all night long with counters.
Floyd sucks the confidence right out of you.
If Hatton's swinging all night long and getting whacked three times every time he throws, that's gotta be discouraging to Hatton who usually has guys standing right in front of him.
If I HAD to pick someone from the list to beat Floyd, I'd say Oscar.
I think Oscar could take a fairly boring close decision against Floyd.
I hate the idea of Floyd-Oscar.
The risk isn't worth the reward for Floyd.
So what if Floyd beats a twilight Oscar? And help me gawd if he loses...
Horrible fight choice.
I agree with everything here. Except the risk/reward bit on Mayweather/ODH. I agree there are more exciting fights to make, but this one is clearly the single biggest moneymaker (by FAR) in all of boxing right now. Except ODH/Tyson. ;D
Re: POLL:Who Has The Best Chance of Beating PBF?
Quote:
Originally Posted by shza
Quote:
Originally Posted by meowza
It was the speed that allowed Judah to do some good work early on.
Hatton doesn't have that kind of speed by any means.
I think Floyd would rake him all night long with counters.
Floyd sucks the confidence right out of you.
If Hatton's swinging all night long and getting whacked three times every time he throws, that's gotta be discouraging to Hatton who usually has guys standing right in front of him.
If I HAD to pick someone from the list to beat Floyd, I'd say Oscar.
I think Oscar could take a fairly boring close decision against Floyd.
I hate the idea of Floyd-Oscar.
The risk isn't worth the reward for Floyd.
So what if Floyd beats a twilight Oscar? And help me gawd if he loses...
Horrible fight choice.
I agree with everything here. Except the risk/reward bit on Mayweather/ODH. I agree there are more exciting fights to make, but this one is clearly the single biggest moneymaker (by FAR) in all of boxing right now. Except ODH/Tyson. ;D
Oh yeah if we're talking money, Floyd-ODLH is a tremendous reward for Floyd.
But I was speaking more on a historical point of view.
What would this fight even mean?
Floyd beats Oscar and Floyd's detractors will say, "Oh, he just beat an over-the-hill Oscar."
Floyd loses to Oscar and they'll say, "HAHA He couldn't beat an over-the-hill Oscar!"
It's a great name for the records and a great money maker, but career-wise and for Floyd's legacy that he wants to build, this fight doesn't do much.
Re: POLL:Who Has The Best Chance of Beating PBF?
Quote:
Originally Posted by meowza
Quote:
Originally Posted by shza
Quote:
Originally Posted by meowza
It was the speed that allowed Judah to do some good work early on.
Hatton doesn't have that kind of speed by any means.
I think Floyd would rake him all night long with counters.
Floyd sucks the confidence right out of you.
If Hatton's swinging all night long and getting whacked three times every time he throws, that's gotta be discouraging to Hatton who usually has guys standing right in front of him.
If I HAD to pick someone from the list to beat Floyd, I'd say Oscar.
I think Oscar could take a fairly boring close decision against Floyd.
I hate the idea of Floyd-Oscar.
The risk isn't worth the reward for Floyd.
So what if Floyd beats a twilight Oscar? And help me gawd if he loses...
Horrible fight choice.
I agree with everything here. Except the risk/reward bit on Mayweather/ODH. I agree there are more exciting fights to make, but this one is clearly the single biggest moneymaker (by FAR) in all of boxing right now. Except ODH/Tyson. ;D
Oh yeah if we're talking money, Floyd-ODLH is a tremendous reward for Floyd.
But I was speaking more on a historical point of view.
What would this fight even mean?
Floyd beats Oscar and Floyd's detractors will say, "Oh, he just beat an over-the-hill Oscar."
Floyd loses to Oscar and they'll say, "HAHA He couldn't beat an over-the-hill Oscar!"
It's a great name for the records and a great money maker, but career-wise and for Floyd's legacy that he wants to build, this fight doesn't do much.
i don't disagree, but money talks (especially money like this), and if this fight can happen it will. before any of those other fights.
i'd also point out that i think it's a bad idea for floyd to go up to 154 period. or to go there and come back down.
Re: POLL:Who Has The Best Chance of Beating PBF?
Personally I think that if ODLH beats Mayorga then we will see ODLH v Mayweather taking place around October. These would get Mayweather a huge payday and an opportunity at a 154 lb title.
Re: POLL:Who Has The Best Chance of Beating PBF?
Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
Quote:
Originally Posted by AC-Cobra
Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
I think you guys are being too shortsighted. Mayweather's plan has always been to be a 5 weight world champ like De La Hoya. Now he's IBF welterweight champ he'll already be making plans to move up to 154lbs.
Maybe Margarito will get a shot, maybe Judah will be able to force a rematch but I don't see either of these fighters beating Mayweather, not even close.
Hatton has yet to fight at 147 lb and letsd be honest there is no way in hell he could make 154, he's only 5ft 6 and got short little arms 147 is is max weight limit.
So Hatton and Mayweather ain't going to be getting on in the near future. Hatton's destiny lies with Cotto and Castillo not Mayweather.
Mayweather will now have his sights on the 154lb division and so it's the following names that could be future opponents for him,
1) ODH, if he gets past Mayorga this would be the big one. A massive payday for both fighters and record PPV's outside the heavyweights. A 50/50 toss up imo.
2) Shane Mosely, Could take place at 147 or 154, a natural choice for Mayweather, big name, loads of PPV's
3)Kasim Ouma, quality fighter at 154, again big matchup
4)Karmazin, A big target for Mayweather, world champ but not the best in the division. Mayweather would take him on for the chance to be 5 weight champ. Great fight.
5)Joel Julio, Still learning and a year or two away from challenging for a world title but this kid could be the future at 154 lbs so a mega clash between the two could happen in late 2007. I reckon Julio has the best chance of all of them to beat Mayweather. Huge puncher, very big and strong for the weight, and suprisingly seeing as he has hardly any amateur background, he can box.
Good god I hope your wrong, although what your saying makes complete and utter sense in line with Mayweather's "dream". Maybe if someone could convince Mayweather fighting possibly legendary fights and gaining legit status as a champ (instead of just the IBF at WW and not facing the real champ at JW) would cement his "All time Great" status that he seeks a lot more than flying up the weights without facing his number 1 contenders.
All those who are considered All time greats, faced there biggest threats. De La Hoya might have also been a five weight champion but he also fought tough fights in the better parts of his career (Hopkins, Tito and Suger Shane to name a few).
Mayweather needs to be more concerned with possible great fights with Hatton, Cotto etc. rather than his "dream."
I think we lose sight of the fact that Mayweather HAS faced some of the best in each division. I mean he's got wins over Hernandez, Corrales, Chavez, Castillo (twice), Gatti and now Judah.
Come on, I don't see many other fighters with a better resume than that ;)
Yes, Floys has faced some of the great fighters at each weight. However, my point and major beef with mayweather is that he's calling himself the champ without beating THE MAN. At JW it was Ricky and Tsuyu before him, if he wants to do it at WW (as bizarre as it sounds) he's gotta beat Baldomir. Calling yourself the real champ means you have to beat the real champ, otherwise people see through it. (or at least that should do)
Re: POLL:Who Has The Best Chance of Beating PBF?
I don't think anyone really recognizes him as THE champ at JWelter or Welter.
Just like Roy was never THE Heavy champ. Impressive feats, but paper nonetheless.
Re: POLL:Who Has The Best Chance of Beating PBF?
Quote:
Originally Posted by FLH2o
I don't think anyone really recognizes him as THE champ at JWelter or Welter.
Just like Roy was never THE Heavy champ. Impressive feats, but paper nonetheless.
(CC)
If your right, then why on Earth should there be any weight behind Floyd's dream of being the fastest five weight champ????
