Re: Cintron pounds Estrada:Judah next?>?
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
But of course I'm serious ;D
Are you serious in thinking it would be that easy for Judah? The punch Judah's most open for is a right, he's been hit by it from slower guys than Cintron.
BUUUUUUT...... Cintron is most open for a left which is Judah's money punch, and he ahs been hit from slower guys then Zab ;)
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Like I said Judah probably should win, but he has defensive lapses, and is open for the right hand, and I don't think he could take a right hand from Kermit. Pretty simple actually
Cintron has lapses....but at least Zab has a DEFENSE to be able to lapse. And do you think that Cintron is going to get to Judah before Judah has already nailed him with about 10 hard shots, what happens to Kermit when he gets hurt he doesn't know how to hold or he holds and only locks one arm.. this would leave Judah another open arm to keep hitting him. And I don't think Cintron could take punches from Judah.
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He looked very poor versus Pineda, he had over a month off after the Spinks fight, it wasn't that grueling, I seriously doubt he had one week of training, but it shouldn't have mattered, Pineda's like 84 years old, and he had already slowed down by the time he reached his 50's, he was made for Judah.
No he troubles fighters like Judah. Look what he did to Cory Spinks.
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He beat Corley, and I don't think it should have been a split although Chop Chop won 4, maybe 5 rounds. Judah didn't dominate, you've got to throw punches to dominate. Which hand did he break? Didn't wince or anything? I guess he's just that tough.
He broke his left hand. And you didn't see them taking the left glove off and Zab grimmicing in pain ??? or did you miss that? he couldn't even close his fist once it was taken off.
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And c'mon with the PBF stuff, yeah I'm a fan but you should know from my posts that I've criticized his opposition since Castillo a lot. And yes Sosa was boring but the difference is he's been in a lot of exciting fights unlike Zab, I can't remember many exciting Zab fights.
I can only name a few bad zab fights. Corley, Pineda, Green and Witter. Every other fight has been exiting.
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I've seen Cosme once besides Zab, the Hercules Kyvelos fight. He didn't like much, slow, not much power, not very good defense. Yes, he did stop Kyvelos but Hercules makes Josh Cobb look kind of slick. Does it really matter if he hadn't been stopped when he hadn't really faced a puncher? I admit, I haven't seen all of his fights like you have, but I'm working on getting his whole career on DVD because there's nothing like watching a Cosme Rivera fight.
At least by then you'll have a more legitimate opinion ;)
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But were getting sidetracked, the point is a Zab-Kermit fight. Zab could win, I guess if I had to bet I'd go with him, but he could also easily get caught and KO'd. I think Zab's power at 147 is a bit overrated and I don't think Kermits chin is as bad as you do, wasn't even like he was hurt that bad to the head by Margarito, wobbled a bit, but mainly hurt to the body and just bullied. I saw him wobbled a bit against Estrada, not bad though and you say Estrada's got 9 KO's as if to say he's feather fisted, that's 9 KO's in 21 fights, not great but not that bad of a ratio, especially compared to....who's that welterweight from Argentina with 12 KO's in 57 fights? :)
here's the difference.
Baldomir's right hand is more dangerous because you never see it coming. He goats with the left hand to get you to watch it and then hits you out of nowhere with his right hand and you never see it so it stuns you, he does it to a lot of people, he has stunned a lot of people, but he just doesn't know howto finish, but that right hand because you never see it will stun. And Estrada's hooks were wide and they caught Cintron and it stunned him and Cintron saw them. I don't think Cintron takes punches very well. he can see a punch and it will still hurt him. Zab more or less gets hurt with the punch he never sees coming, but hitting him straight on with him seeing or knowing it's coming more or less he doesn't get hurt, and you know that better then anyone OumaFan.
Zab would KO Cintron in under 5 rounds if they ever fought.
Re: Cintron pounds Estrada:Judah next?>?
seriously...
to say judah would loose to cintron is an insult
Re: Cintron pounds Estrada:Judah next?>?
I know no one has posted on this topic for a long time, but this is my first post and I would like to commend this OumaFan (are you really an Ouma fan?). Ouma breaks down his points logically and even eloquently. As a big Cintron fan, I would have to give Judah the edge, yet I would give him a slight edge. Judah has not been impressive in a fight since he defeated Terron Millet. Cintron pretty much quit against Margarito, but no one wanted to fight him, so he took a chance and it was clear he was not ready for Margarito. To be honest, I don't think many of you knowledgeable fans have seen Cintron fight. To me, he takes a punch well. Margarito never made Kermit loopy. He made Cintron quit without even trying. But the fight against Estrada should make boxing fans excited. First of all, Cintron is now working with Hall of Fame trainer Emmanuel Steward, who has worked wonders with Wladimir Klitchko. Did you see Cintron's new and improved jab against Estrada? Did you see the devastating body punching? Did you see him not panic and minimize the damage after admittedly hard shots? Basically, the way Judah has been fighting lately, Cintron will give him trouble. Remember, Cintron is 5'11" and Judah is what-5'7"? Cintron will have a tremendous reach advantage and with his power and jab, he could do what Klitchko did to Byrd. I know Judah has the potential, but as of this moment, he doesnt scare me.
