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Re: Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed
he was screwed big time. the referee shouldnt of stopped it.
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Re: Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
This got started in the middle of another thread..I say he got screwed and deserved to finish the few seconds left of the fight of his life he was winning...It was a Heartbreaking robbery
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yeah..he was screwed...but he was taking mad punishment.....
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Re: Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed
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Originally Posted by sexydarin
Stop with the bleeding hearts. This is a game of fight to the death.
Got to give you a sc for that. This is NOT "a game of fight to the death", that is just ignorance on your part. I am hoping you wrote that tongue in check.
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People remember a win more than anything else. Meldrick did not win. He fought a great fight, but he did not win. How can you guys say he was winning the fight therefore give him the few seconds to win. All of you have heard the commentators say at the end of the fight, there cannot be a knockout.. That is when 10 seconds come up . Taylor ran out of gas at the end of the fight. At the very very end. That is how you guys think a guy should win? Getting knocked down and getting up and then letting him have the decision because he is so close to a win?
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If the announcers weren't making such a big deal out of it nothing would be being said. They tried to make it Steele's fault for stopping it. But Steele did the right thing and he did procedure. If you don't get a response from the fighter you waive the fight off. Whoever showed the vargas clip when the ref asked Fernando if he was alright Vargas nodded so the ref asked him to step forward and he continued the fight. Steele asked Taylor TWICE!!!! if he was ok and Taylor didn't respond. Fight was right to be stopped.
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Originally Posted by Starr
If the announcers weren't making such a big deal out of it nothing would be being said. They tried to make it Steele's fault for stopping it. But Steele did the right thing and he did procedure. If you don't get a response from the fighter you waive the fight off. Whoever showed the vargas clip when the ref asked Fernando if he was alright Vargas nodded so the ref asked him to step forward and he continued the fight. Steele asked Taylor TWICE!!!! if he was ok and Taylor didn't respond. Fight was right to be stopped.
i disagree with stoppage but people have different opinions and no one is going to change there opinions both sides make good points lets just leave it there ;)
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Starr I totally agree. Good post. And the fact is the announcers more than anything were the ones who started the controversy. My buddy who was there said the fight was more even than people who were watching HBO could have imagined. He said that you could see Chavez nailing Meldrick throughout and he was getting in cleaner shots as the rounds went by. By the 12 it was a matter of time and Meldrick was caught. No one mentions how great Chavez was to be able to gut it out and get that win with seconds left. The man was great.
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Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
Starr I totally agree. Good post. And the fact is the announcers more than anything were the ones who started the controversy. My buddy who was there said the fight was more even than people who were watching HBO could have imagined. He said that you could see Chavez nailing Meldrick throughout and he was getting in cleaner shots as the rounds went by. By the 12 it was a matter of time and Meldrick was caught. No one mentions how great Chavez was to be able to gut it out and get that win with seconds left. The man was great.
We don't because he was getting his ass kicked for the first 10 rounds of the fight and proved to be the inferior boxer between the two, I can see if he was dominating the fight but he was losing genius.
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Chavez was losing in points but wearing out Meldrick. Meldrick had lost alot of blood and had a broken orbit bone around his eye. He was totally busted up. Meldrick and Chavez fought a great fight, but Chavez was more resilient and he came out ahead. But the fact is that Meldrick was all but out. The only question is whether the referee should have considered the fact that Meldrick was ahead in the fight in letting Meldrick continue so he could win the fight. I just do not see how that is a factor the 3 seconds. If a fighter cannot continue you have to stop the fight.
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It doesn't matter who was winning it matters who won and it wasn't the first time a fight has ended like that. But because of the controversy and the hbo special showing pity for Meldrick people think its a controversy. Thats why a fight is 12 rounds and why they say don't blink. Would it have been fair to Chavez as he had someone out on his feet and unfit to continue to have the fight continue so it should have been stopped so Meldrick could hang on because he was winning? Then you'd have a bigger controversy on your hands.
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how about more recently when Jay Nady stopped the Rahman vs Oleg II fight in the 12th round??? u guys think Jay stopped that contraversialy hahahha
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how about more recently when Jay Nady stopped the Rahman vs Oleg II fight in the 12th round??? u guys think Jay stopped that contraversialy hahahha
Or what about the Mickey Ward fight? the one where he fought...I forget the name of the guy he fought was it reggie green or something? some prospect on fnf and he pulled out the win in the last round despite losing about every one before that. Nobody talked about controversy there.
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
how about more recently when Jay Nady stopped the Rahman vs Oleg II fight in the 12th round??? u guys think Jay stopped that contraversialy hahahha
Or what about the Mickey Ward fight? the one where he fought...I forget the name of the guy he fought was it reggie green or something? some prospect on fnf and he pulled out the win in the last round despite losing about every one before that. Nobody talked about controversy there.
hahaha mine was a joke tho babe, we all know RAHMAN couldnt even open his eyes from fatigue and getting his asss beat ahahha especially how he was hugging Olegs legs as he was knocked down ahahha.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
i think steele should of looked at red light in the corner he must of known the round was almost over
So you think Steele should've cheated and helped Taylor because he was winning ???
May aswell not have the last 14 seconds of a fight (which is when he touched down) if you can't still win the fight at that stage.
I like the way you make it seem as though you and Steele are concerned about Taylors health and that you were showing mercy on him because he was so hurt, truth be told you are just highlighting that as an excuse because you would rather see Chavez victorious rather than lose, neither one of you give a bloody shit about Taylor being hurt.
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It isn't that people give anything about someone being hurt over anyone else. but who wants a fighter to be hurt? I don't and I am sure you don't either., but in general the sport is better when you try and minimize danger to when if a guy is hurt and not able to continue they stop the fight. Had they let Taylor continue, then where would the new standard be for stopping guys? Then if a guy had 10 seconds left and the fight were stopped. guys out here would say, well the Taylor fight continued with 3 seconds and he won the fight. The fact that Steele stopped the fight shows that boxing is a great sport which puts life ahead of wins. It isn't a question whether Taylor would have been hurt physically had they made the fight go on, it is the standard of stopping fights when a guy is finished, If you bend the rules you might as well have one minute left in a fight. That is what Steele was saying, he did not look at the clock. I think that showed alot about boxing. I wanted Taylor to win that night, but I was not mad at Steele or upset with him. and I was not upset with Taylor, he fought the fight of his life. But if anyone has to blame it is Taylor for getting caught with the big punch in round 12 and it is Duva's fault for always being so hot headed and jumping in the corner distracting Taylor and making him look to his right.. But Taylor was wearing out gradually in the fight.
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Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
It isn't that people give anything about someone being hurt over anyone else. but who wants a fighter to be hurt? I don't and I am sure you don't either., but in general the sport is better when you try and minimize danger to when if a guy is hurt and not able to continue they stop the fight. Had they let Taylor continue, then where would the new standard be for stopping guys? Then if a guy had 10 seconds left and the fight were stopped. guys out here would say, well the Taylor fight continued with 3 seconds and he won the fight. The fact that Steele stopped the fight shows that boxing is a great sport which puts life ahead of wins. It isn't a question whether Taylor would have been hurt physically had they made the fight go on, it is the standard of stopping fights when a guy is finished, If you bend the rules you might as well have one minute left in a fight. That is what Steele was saying, he did not look at the clock. I think that showed alot about boxing. I wanted Taylor to win that night, but I was not mad at Steele or upset with him. and I was not upset with Taylor, he fought the fight of his life. But if anyone has to blame it is Taylor for getting caught with the big punch in round 12 and it is Duva's fault for always being so hot headed and jumping in the corner distracting Taylor and making him look to his right.. But Taylor was wearing out gradually in the fight.
Yes he was wearing out, he had given so much energy throughtout the fight kicking Chavez's ass up and down the ring. We are not talking about the standard time limit when stopping the fight, we are saying that Taylor's condition was not bad enough for the fight to be stopped at that point, people talk about swallowing blood and broken eye orbitals, this is boxing not baseball, those kind of things happen all the time why are you guy's making it seem like that is not ordinary. The point is that Taylor got up on the count of 4, he didn't get up like Zab Judah wobbling around the ring, if he would of I would have said yes the fight should have been stopped, but the way he got up was in no way to the condition that the fight needed to be stopped especially at two seconds. And check the boxing history, Pernell Whitaker kicked Chavez's ass worse than Taylor did and they called it a draw, he also had gift decision's vs Frankie Randall, coincidence NO. Steele also had other questionable stoppage's, coincidence NO.
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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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i think steele should of looked at red light in the corner he must of known the round was almost over
So you think Steele should've cheated and helped Taylor because he was winning ???
May aswell not have the last 14 seconds of a fight (which is when he touched down) if you can't still win the fight at that stage.
I like the way you make it seem as though you and Steele are concerned about Taylors health and that you were showing mercy on him because he was so hurt, truth be told you are just highlighting that as an excuse because you would rather see Chavez victorious rather than lose, neither one of you give a bloody S*** about Taylor being hurt.
...You know me so well ::** Read all the posts and you will see that I said I wanted Taylor to win - I was always rooting for JCC to lose !!!
I am just objective and realise that the time is nothing to do with it - infact my reason for thinking the stoppage was right was not even about Taylor's health, it was about what is just and fair and what the rules are.
...anybody that thinks that a fighter should be helped becuase of the time that a stoppage occurs, based on the fact that they were winning has a pretty strange view of how boxing works
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
i think steele should of looked at red light in the corner he must of known the round was almost over
So you think Steele should've cheated and helped Taylor because he was winning ???
May aswell not have the last 14 seconds of a fight (which is when he touched down) if you can't still win the fight at that stage.
I like the way you make it seem as though you and Steele are concerned about Taylors health and that you were showing mercy on him because he was so hurt, truth be told you are just highlighting that as an excuse because you would rather see Chavez victorious rather than lose, neither one of you give a bloody S*** about Taylor being hurt.
...You know me so well ::** Read all the posts and you will see that I said I wanted Taylor to win - I was always rooting for JCC to lose !!!
I am just objective and realise that the time is nothing to do with it - infact my reason for thinking the stoppage was right was not even about Taylor's health, it was about what is just and fair and what the rules are.
...anybody that thinks that a fighter should be helped becuase of the time that a stoppage occurs, based on the fact that they were winning has a pretty strange view of how boxing works
Obviously you did not read my post up top when I clearly stated that time has nothing to do with it, it was the condition of the fighter, he was not wobbling around the ring like Zab Judah he got up on the count of 4 and was looking at Duva, Steele knew that and you knew that too, but it makes it really bad when not only did it not deserve to be stopped but he kicked the guy's ass the whole fight and on top of that it was two seconds to go, the time does not matter but it just put's the cherry on top of the cake. I don't give me that "and was voting for Taylor crap" everybody say's that to hide the fact that they knew Chavez got lucky and you don't want to seem Bias.
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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
i think steele should of looked at red light in the corner he must of known the round was almost over
So you think Steele should've cheated and helped Taylor because he was winning ???
May aswell not have the last 14 seconds of a fight (which is when he touched down) if you can't still win the fight at that stage.
I like the way you make it seem as though you and Steele are concerned about Taylors health and that you were showing mercy on him because he was so hurt, truth be told you are just highlighting that as an excuse because you would rather see Chavez victorious rather than lose, neither one of you give a bloody S*** about Taylor being hurt.
...You know me so well ::** Read all the posts and you will see that I said I wanted Taylor to win - I was always rooting for JCC to lose !!!
I am just objective and realise that the time is nothing to do with it - infact my reason for thinking the stoppage was right was not even about Taylor's health, it was about what is just and fair and what the rules are.
...anybody that thinks that a fighter should be helped becuase of the time that a stoppage occurs, based on the fact that they were winning has a pretty strange view of how boxing works
Obviously you did not read my post up top when I clearly stated that time has nothing to do with it, it was the condition of the fighter, he was not wobbling around the ring like Zab Judah he got up on the count of 4 and was looking at Duva, Steele knew that and you knew that too, but it makes it really bad when not only did it not deserve to be stopped but he kicked the guy's a** the whole fight and on top of that it was two seconds to go, the time does not matter but it just put's the cherry on top of the cake. I don't give me that "and was voting for Taylor crap" everybody say's that to hide the fact that they knew Chavez got lucky and you don't want to seem Bias.
Shut up you whelk - you don't know who I wanted to win !!!
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Re: Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed
alright boys calm down lets not get out of hand both sides make good points just leave it at that
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
alright boys calm down lets not get out of hand both sides make good points just leave it at that
Don't worry Ice Cold life is good, I am not going to fall into this guy's little game, how can someone who voted for Taylor defend Chavez so fiercely in this thread, if you agreed with the stoppage that's fine, maybe make 1 or 2 post stating that, but this guy continues to defend it like the Nazi's defended Berlin at the end of WW2, he's fanatical about it, that does not sound like someone who was voting for Taylor, I think he insulted everybody's intelligence with that one.
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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
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Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
It isn't that people give anything about someone being hurt over anyone else. but who wants a fighter to be hurt? I don't and I am sure you don't either., but in general the sport is better when you try and minimize danger to when if a guy is hurt and not able to continue they stop the fight. Had they let Taylor continue, then where would the new standard be for stopping guys? Then if a guy had 10 seconds left and the fight were stopped. guys out here would say, well the Taylor fight continued with 3 seconds and he won the fight. The fact that Steele stopped the fight shows that boxing is a great sport which puts life ahead of wins. It isn't a question whether Taylor would have been hurt physically had they made the fight go on, it is the standard of stopping fights when a guy is finished, If you bend the rules you might as well have one minute left in a fight. That is what Steele was saying, he did not look at the clock. I think that showed alot about boxing. I wanted Taylor to win that night, but I was not mad at Steele or upset with him. and I was not upset with Taylor, he fought the fight of his life. But if anyone has to blame it is Taylor for getting caught with the big punch in round 12 and it is Duva's fault for always being so hot headed and jumping in the corner distracting Taylor and making him look to his right.. But Taylor was wearing out gradually in the fight.
Yes he was wearing out, he had given so much energy throughtout the fight kicking Chavez's ass up and down the ring. We are not talking about the standard time limit when stopping the fight, we are saying that Taylor's condition was not bad enough for the fight to be stopped at that point, people talk about swallowing blood and broken eye orbitals, this is boxing not baseball, those kind of things happen all the time why are you guy's making it seem like that is not ordinary. The point is that Taylor got up on the count of 4, he didn't get up like Zab Judah wobbling around the ring, if he would of I would have said yes the fight should have been stopped, but the way he got up was in no way to the condition that the fight needed to be stopped especially at two seconds. And check the boxing history, Pernell Whitaker kicked Chavez's ass worse than Taylor did and they called it a draw, he also had gift decision's vs Frankie Randall, coincidence NO. Steele also had other questionable stoppage's, coincidence NO.
You act like Steele's the only ref to have a questionable stoppage. It happens to ref's ALL THE TIME!! Mention how great a job Steele did in the first Eubank vs. Benn fight. Or the Corrales Mayweather fight
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
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Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
It isn't that people give anything about someone being hurt over anyone else. but who wants a fighter to be hurt? I don't and I am sure you don't either., but in general the sport is better when you try and minimize danger to when if a guy is hurt and not able to continue they stop the fight. Had they let Taylor continue, then where would the new standard be for stopping guys? Then if a guy had 10 seconds left and the fight were stopped. guys out here would say, well the Taylor fight continued with 3 seconds and he won the fight. The fact that Steele stopped the fight shows that boxing is a great sport which puts life ahead of wins. It isn't a question whether Taylor would have been hurt physically had they made the fight go on, it is the standard of stopping fights when a guy is finished, If you bend the rules you might as well have one minute left in a fight. That is what Steele was saying, he did not look at the clock. I think that showed alot about boxing. I wanted Taylor to win that night, but I was not mad at Steele or upset with him. and I was not upset with Taylor, he fought the fight of his life. But if anyone has to blame it is Taylor for getting caught with the big punch in round 12 and it is Duva's fault for always being so hot headed and jumping in the corner distracting Taylor and making him look to his right.. But Taylor was wearing out gradually in the fight.
Yes he was wearing out, he had given so much energy throughtout the fight kicking Chavez's a** up and down the ring. We are not talking about the standard time limit when stopping the fight, we are saying that Taylor's condition was not bad enough for the fight to be stopped at that point, people talk about swallowing blood and broken eye orbitals, this is boxing not baseball, those kind of things happen all the time why are you guy's making it seem like that is not ordinary. The point is that Taylor got up on the count of 4, he didn't get up like Zab Judah wobbling around the ring, if he would of I would have said yes the fight should have been stopped, but the way he got up was in no way to the condition that the fight needed to be stopped especially at two seconds. And check the boxing history, Pernell Whitaker kicked Chavez's a** worse than Taylor did and they called it a draw, he also had gift decision's vs Frankie Randall, coincidence NO. Steele also had other questionable stoppage's, coincidence NO.
You act like Steele's the only ref to have a questionable stoppage. It happens to ref's ALL THE TIME!! Mention how great a job Steele did in the first Eubank vs. Benn fight. Or the Corrales Mayweather fight
Corralles Father thru in the towel against Mayweather..... ;) But this stoppage in question is the most controversial in Boxing history IMO... The other that was strange was Camacho jr against Andrey Tsurkan back in June when Tsurkan had him on the ropes and Camacho wasnt fighting back...Not because he was hurt but because he wasnt being active and fighting back so the ref stopped it
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
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Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
It isn't that people give anything about someone being hurt over anyone else. but who wants a fighter to be hurt? I don't and I am sure you don't either., but in general the sport is better when you try and minimize danger to when if a guy is hurt and not able to continue they stop the fight. Had they let Taylor continue, then where would the new standard be for stopping guys? Then if a guy had 10 seconds left and the fight were stopped. guys out here would say, well the Taylor fight continued with 3 seconds and he won the fight. The fact that Steele stopped the fight shows that boxing is a great sport which puts life ahead of wins. It isn't a question whether Taylor would have been hurt physically had they made the fight go on, it is the standard of stopping fights when a guy is finished, If you bend the rules you might as well have one minute left in a fight. That is what Steele was saying, he did not look at the clock. I think that showed alot about boxing. I wanted Taylor to win that night, but I was not mad at Steele or upset with him. and I was not upset with Taylor, he fought the fight of his life. But if anyone has to blame it is Taylor for getting caught with the big punch in round 12 and it is Duva's fault for always being so hot headed and jumping in the corner distracting Taylor and making him look to his right.. But Taylor was wearing out gradually in the fight.
Yes he was wearing out, he had given so much energy throughtout the fight kicking Chavez's a** up and down the ring. We are not talking about the standard time limit when stopping the fight, we are saying that Taylor's condition was not bad enough for the fight to be stopped at that point, people talk about swallowing blood and broken eye orbitals, this is boxing not baseball, those kind of things happen all the time why are you guy's making it seem like that is not ordinary. The point is that Taylor got up on the count of 4, he didn't get up like Zab Judah wobbling around the ring, if he would of I would have said yes the fight should have been stopped, but the way he got up was in no way to the condition that the fight needed to be stopped especially at two seconds. And check the boxing history, Pernell Whitaker kicked Chavez's a** worse than Taylor did and they called it a draw, he also had gift decision's vs Frankie Randall, coincidence NO. Steele also had other questionable stoppage's, coincidence NO.
You act like Steele's the only ref to have a questionable stoppage. It happens to ref's ALL THE TIME!! Mention how great a job Steele did in the first Eubank vs. Benn fight. Or the Corrales Mayweather fight
Corralles Father thru in the towel against Mayweather..... ;) But this stoppage in question is the most controversial in Boxing history IMO... The other that was strange was Camacho jr against Andrey Tsurkan back in June when Tsurkan had him on the ropes and Camacho wasnt fighting back...Not because he was hurt but because he wasnt being active and fighting back so the ref stopped it
I no longer am trying to convince these individuals JT, we can't change their minds and they can't change ours, it's sad that people don't think he deserved to go on after the performance he put on, it was dazzling.
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For me it's a fight to the death, no tongue in cheek. This ain't cricket, it's boxing. I personally would rather die, in the ring, than lose a fight. That's what i miss about boxers from previous eras. They had stones, not pussies.
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Stop with the bleeding hearts. This is a game of fight to the death.
Got to give you a sc for that. This is
NOT "a game of fight to the death", that is just ignorance on your part. I am hoping you wrote that tongue in check.
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Didn't mean to put down fighters of this era. Some of them have the stones too. I was more or less taking a jab at the refereeing. Stopping fights to early. You have to put every fight into context. If i were a referee and if a boxer was winning the fight and there were only 5 or less seconds left on the clock, he would have to look a hell of lot worse than what Meldrick Taylor looked like, for me to even consider ending the fight. There would be no way i would be that unfair to take away a person's rightful win and especially with belts on the line. Context is the key.
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Originally Posted by sexydarin
For me it's a fight to the death, no tongue in cheek. This ain't cricket, it's boxing. I personally would rather die, in the ring, than lose a fight. That's what i miss about boxers from previous eras. They had stones, not pussies.
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Originally Posted by sexydarin
Stop with the bleeding hearts. This is a game of fight to the death.
Got to give you a sc for that. This is
NOT "a game of fight to the death", that is just ignorance on your part. I am hoping you wrote that tongue in check.
Boxing is a sport don't forget that sexydarin..... ;)
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Boxing is not a fight to the death. That is ridiculous. Boxing is a sport with rules to try and protect the fighters as much as possible. And Richard Steele did the best he can under those rules. The decision to stop that fight was just, Julio Cesar Chavez was a much greater fighter than Meldrick. It might even be a stretch to consider Meldrick great. He had one great fight in his whole career and won two titles.
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It isn't that people give anything about someone being hurt over anyone else. but who wants a fighter to be hurt? I don't and I am sure you don't either., but in general the sport is better when you try and minimize danger to when if a guy is hurt and not able to continue they stop the fight. Had they let Taylor continue, then where would the new standard be for stopping guys? Then if a guy had 10 seconds left and the fight were stopped. guys out here would say, well the Taylor fight continued with 3 seconds and he won the fight. The fact that Steele stopped the fight shows that boxing is a great sport which puts life ahead of wins. It isn't a question whether Taylor would have been hurt physically had they made the fight go on, it is the standard of stopping fights when a guy is finished, If you bend the rules you might as well have one minute left in a fight. That is what Steele was saying, he did not look at the clock. I think that showed alot about boxing. I wanted Taylor to win that night, but I was not mad at Steele or upset with him. and I was not upset with Taylor, he fought the fight of his life. But if anyone has to blame it is Taylor for getting caught with the big punch in round 12 and it is Duva's fault for always being so hot headed and jumping in the corner distracting Taylor and making him look to his right.. But Taylor was wearing out gradually in the fight.
Yes he was wearing out, he had given so much energy throughtout the fight kicking Chavez's a** up and down the ring. We are not talking about the standard time limit when stopping the fight, we are saying that Taylor's condition was not bad enough for the fight to be stopped at that point, people talk about swallowing blood and broken eye orbitals, this is boxing not baseball, those kind of things happen all the time why are you guy's making it seem like that is not ordinary. The point is that Taylor got up on the count of 4, he didn't get up like Zab Judah wobbling around the ring, if he would of I would have said yes the fight should have been stopped, but the way he got up was in no way to the condition that the fight needed to be stopped especially at two seconds. And check the boxing history, Pernell Whitaker kicked Chavez's a** worse than Taylor did and they called it a draw, he also had gift decision's vs Frankie Randall, coincidence NO. Steele also had other questionable stoppage's, coincidence NO.
You act like Steele's the only ref to have a questionable stoppage. It happens to ref's ALL THE TIME!! Mention how great a job Steele did in the first Eubank vs. Benn fight. Or the Corrales Mayweather fight
Corralles Father thru in the towel against Mayweather..... ;) But this stoppage in question is the most controversial in Boxing history IMO... The other that was strange was Camacho jr against Andrey Tsurkan back in June when Tsurkan had him on the ropes and Camacho wasnt fighting back...Not because he was hurt but because he wasnt being active and fighting back so the ref stopped it
I no longer am trying to convince these individuals JT, we can't change their minds and they can't change ours, it's sad that people don't think he deserved to go on after the performance he put on, it was dazzling.
It aint about what you "deserve" in boxing. It's what you "get".
If boxing was about pitying someone because they put forth a spirited effort then what would the point be in watching?
In the 12th round what fan is gonna sit there and say "Well it doesn't matter if Chavez has enough in him and stop him, the ref isn't gonna stop it because Taylor gave such a good effort earlier I may as well just turn away from the channel." come on. You watch boxing to see "Can he pull it out? Can he win it!"
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Originally Posted by Majesty
It aint about what you "deserve" in boxing. It's what you "get".
If boxing was about pitying someone because they put forth a spirited effort then what would the point be in watching?
In the 12th round what fan is gonna sit there and say "Well it doesn't matter if Chavez has enough in him and stop him, the ref isn't gonna stop it because Taylor gave such a good effort earlier I may as well just turn away from the channel." come on. You watch boxing to see "Can he pull it out? Can he win it!"
You right . Majesty
When a fighter is done he is done. Hell Lou Duva was standing on the apron which could be construed as throwing in the towel. Taylor was not responding , and what if there was 45 seconds left in the fight and Steel let it go on ? Taylor could have been killed in there. . What everyone needs to do is watch the last round forget about the time and ask themselves, can Taylor take anymore punishment and fight back ? that’s what your looking at . 10 seconds or 1:23 seconds that’s irrelevant,
Nowhere in the referee manual does it say take Time as a consideration when stopping a fight. A referees only concern is the fighters wellbeing
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Re: Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Majesty
It aint about what you "deserve" in boxing. It's what you "get".
If boxing was about pitying someone because they put forth a spirited effort then what would the point be in watching?
In the 12th round what fan is gonna sit there and say "Well it doesn't matter if Chavez has enough in him and stop him, the ref isn't gonna stop it because Taylor gave such a good effort earlier I may as well just turn away from the channel." come on. You watch boxing to see "Can he pull it out? Can he win it!"
You right . Majesty
When a fighter is done he is done. Hell Lou Duva was standing on the apron which could be construed as throwing in the towel. Taylor was not responding , and what if there was 45 seconds left in the fight and Steel let it go on ? Taylor could have been killed in there. . What everyone needs to do is watch the last round forget about the time and ask themselves, can Taylor take anymore punishment and fight back ? that’s what your looking at . 10 seconds or 1:23 seconds that’s irrelevant,
Nowhere in the referee manual does it say take Time as a consideration when stopping a fight. A referees only concern is the fighters wellbeing
Exactly man. But I think too many are looking from a fans perspective instead of the ref's :coolclick:
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Re: Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Majesty
It aint about what you "deserve" in boxing. It's what you "get".
If boxing was about pitying someone because they put forth a spirited effort then what would the point be in watching?
In the 12th round what fan is gonna sit there and say "Well it doesn't matter if Chavez has enough in him and stop him, the ref isn't gonna stop it because Taylor gave such a good effort earlier I may as well just turn away from the channel." come on. You watch boxing to see "Can he pull it out? Can he win it!"
You right . Majesty
When a fighter is done he is done. Hell Lou Duva was standing on the apron which could be construed as throwing in the towel. Taylor was not responding , and what if there was 45 seconds left in the fight and Steel let it go on ? Taylor could have been killed in there. . What everyone needs to do is watch the last round forget about the time and ask themselves, can Taylor take anymore punishment and fight back ? that’s what your looking at . 10 seconds or 1:23 seconds that’s irrelevant,
Nowhere in the referee manual does it say take Time as a consideration when stopping a fight. A referees only concern is the fighters wellbeing
NO MATTER HOW HARD I TRY THEY KEEP PULLING ME BACK IN (Godfather 3). I said I would not comment again but you bloody bastards don't stop, the previous 10 post that I wrote have all stated that time had nothing to due with it just condition, but on top of the condition it adds another insult when it was only two seconds left, that's what you guy's are not getting, and no matter how many times we explain it you still don't understand, I was expecting more out of LORDS GYM but he decided to join the darkside. So since you don't understand let me give you guy's an anology. If I am an actor and you guy's were directors that hired me for a movie we would film the movie scene by scene on schedule. Going into the final scene of the movie you decide that you do not want me as you lead actor anymore and you want to replace me with another actor. It's already wrong for you too replace me after you decided to hire me but it throws fuel on the fire that you did it after we filmed the whole damn movie, you were wrong for firing me period but it's even worse after we have completed everything. So please stop mentioning the time, and on top of that only people who wanted Chavez to win say this, on top of that they act like it's hilarious even though millions of people think the same thing I think, on top of that they insult are intellingence by telling us that the HBO commentators sparked the controversy and everybody followed suit. I guess we are sheep that we have said nothing if it was not for Larry Merchant.
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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Majesty
It aint about what you "deserve" in boxing. It's what you "get".
If boxing was about pitying someone because they put forth a spirited effort then what would the point be in watching?
In the 12th round what fan is gonna sit there and say "Well it doesn't matter if Chavez has enough in him and stop him, the ref isn't gonna stop it because Taylor gave such a good effort earlier I may as well just turn away from the channel." come on. You watch boxing to see "Can he pull it out? Can he win it!"
You right . Majesty
When a fighter is done he is done. Hell Lou Duva was standing on the apron which could be construed as throwing in the towel. Taylor was not responding , and what if there was 45 seconds left in the fight and Steel let it go on ? Taylor could have been killed in there. . What everyone needs to do is watch the last round forget about the time and ask themselves, can Taylor take anymore punishment and fight back ? that’s what your looking at . 10 seconds or 1:23 seconds that’s irrelevant,
Nowhere in the referee manual does it say take Time as a consideration when stopping a fight. A referees only concern is the fighters wellbeing
NO MATTER HOW HARD I TRY THEY KEEP PULLING ME BACK IN (Godfather 3). I said I would not comment again but you bloody bastards don't stop, the previous 10 post that I wrote have all stated that time had nothing to due with it just condition, but on top of the condition it adds another insult when it was only two seconds left, that's what you guy's are not getting, and no matter how many times we explain it you still don't understand, I was expecting more out of LORDS GYM but he decided to join the darkside. So since you don't understand let me give you guy's an anology. If I am an actor and you guy's were directors that hired me for a movie we would film the movie scene by scene on schedule. Going into the final scene of the movie you decide that you do not want me as you lead actor anymore and you want to replace me with another actor. It's already wrong for you too replace me after you decided to hire me but it throws fuel on the fire that you did it after we filmed the whole damn movie, you were wrong for firing me period but it's even worse after we have completed everything. So please stop mentioning the time, and on top of that only people who wanted Chavez to win say this, on top of that they act like it's hilarious even though millions of people think the same thing I think, on top of that they insult are intellingence by telling us that the HBO commentators sparked the controversy and everybody followed suit. I guess we are sheep that we have said nothing if it was not for Larry Merchant.
And you keep trying to say "Taylor deserved it because of his effort" And I keep saying that you don't win fights by effort alone. Boxing isn't about pity just because someone did a spirited effort he still lost the fight. Thats why the fight is 12 rounds 3 minutes. So basically you're saying it would be fair to give Chavez no chance of pulling out the win because Taylor gave "A good effort early on" right? Wrong. And I'm not a fan of Cesar Chavez. But I do not think it was a bad stoppage either.
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Majesty
It aint about what you "deserve" in boxing. It's what you "get".
If boxing was about pitying someone because they put forth a spirited effort then what would the point be in watching?
In the 12th round what fan is gonna sit there and say "Well it doesn't matter if Chavez has enough in him and stop him, the ref isn't gonna stop it because Taylor gave such a good effort earlier I may as well just turn away from the channel." come on. You watch boxing to see "Can he pull it out? Can he win it!"
You right . Majesty
When a fighter is done he is done. Hell Lou Duva was standing on the apron which could be construed as throwing in the towel. Taylor was not responding , and what if there was 45 seconds left in the fight and Steel let it go on ? Taylor could have been killed in there. . What everyone needs to do is watch the last round forget about the time and ask themselves, can Taylor take anymore punishment and fight back ? that’s what your looking at . 10 seconds or 1:23 seconds that’s irrelevant,
Nowhere in the referee manual does it say take Time as a consideration when stopping a fight. A referees only concern is the fighters wellbeing
NO MATTER HOW HARD I TRY THEY KEEP PULLING ME BACK IN (Godfather 3). I said I would not comment again but you bloody bastards don't stop, the previous 10 post that I wrote have all stated that time had nothing to due with it just condition, but on top of the condition it adds another insult when it was only two seconds left, that's what you guy's are not getting, and no matter how many times we explain it you still don't understand, I was expecting more out of LORDS GYM but he decided to join the darkside. So since you don't understand let me give you guy's an anology. If I am an actor and you guy's were directors that hired me for a movie we would film the movie scene by scene on schedule. Going into the final scene of the movie you decide that you do not want me as you lead actor anymore and you want to replace me with another actor. It's already wrong for you too replace me after you decided to hire me but it throws fuel on the fire that you did it after we filmed the whole damn movie, you were wrong for firing me period but it's even worse after we have completed everything. So please stop mentioning the time, and on top of that only people who wanted Chavez to win say this, on top of that they act like it's hilarious even though millions of people think the same thing I think, on top of that they insult are intellingence by telling us that the HBO commentators sparked the controversy and everybody followed suit. I guess we are sheep that we have said nothing if it was not for Larry Merchant.
And you keep trying to say "Taylor deserved it because of his effort" And I keep saying that you don't win fights by effort alone. Boxing isn't about pity just because someone did a spirited effort he still lost the fight. Thats why the fight is 12 rounds 3 minutes. So basically you're saying it would be fair to give Chavez no chance of pulling out the win because Taylor gave "A good effort early on" right? Wrong. And I'm not a fan of Cesar Chavez. But I do not think it was a bad stoppage either.
Can't we all just get along.
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Re: Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed
I keep going back and forth about this, on one hand there was 2 F***** seconds left!!! Then again you never know when 1 more shot is going to be the one that does the real permanent damage. Its a S***** situation that happened but will can never be changed. Even then Taylor is not the same since that fight, that fight took so much out of him.
