Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter

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Originally Posted by bilbo

Well I have to disagree with you here Wacko, on two points.

Firstly I love James Toney, his smack talk and arrogance gives some much needed character and personality to a heavyweight division populated mostly by non entities.

Secondly, that this is a mismatch I really don't understand at all.

Yes Sam Peter is about as skillful as Mayorga and Toney is as good as De La Hoya, but physically Peter is far better equipped than for example Mayorga was against Oscar.

Peter packs a huge punch and can KO heavyweights with one punch, Toney has an iron chin BUT he's not a real heavyweight so you would have to assume that if he gets hit flush he could go.

Toney's age is also against him, 38 years old! Peter is what, all of 26 or something.

Peter may be rough around the edges but he has only one defeat, to the guy who is unquestionably the divisions best AND he decked him 3 times!

This is not going to be an easy fight for James Toney, and I don't really agree with you saying that Peter can't take Toney to the ropes and win.

Yes Toney is a master at slipping punches but if he's trapped on the ropes with Peter reigning on him he'll be walking a tightrope and will have to slip every single punch else he's toast.

I'm really really excited by this fight, personally I think it's a crazy fight for either fighter to choose to participate in.

Peter, a crude brawler goes in with the most skilful and crafty heavyweight out there, whilst Toney, a short little fat man who should really weigh about 70 pounds less goes in with the biggest, baddest heavyweight currently in boxing.

For me it's a real pick em fight.

I'm leaning towards James Toney cos he's my favourite heavy but I'll be chewing my nails down to a stub whilst watching this one.

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Superb posting, Bilbo :coolclick:

Toney could very well be over his head, gotta love/loathe him though. Im a fan and hope he manages a tough decision....

I know it's a bit late...but we got some pics up on the first post of this tired ole' thread...check em out!

Fatties.

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I know it's a bit late...but we got some pics up on the first post of this tired ole' thread...check em out!

Fatties.

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Toney looks a little more in check. Still has titties and a rubber ring around his waist but he looks better, not good by any means though....

Peter is way too big though, could very well cost him the fight. Very foolish....

Is there any other sport in the world where one of the best in the world can turn up to a competition to decide the second best player in the world where the competitor can turn up at 5'9" and 230lbs, and still be considered a favourite. And let's be honest, the weight that Toney has gained since he was a middleweight is not all muscle by a long shot.

The only sports I can think of are golf (Mickelson), Bowls (all of them), ten pin bowls (ditto) and WWE wrestling (Yokozuna). And the only one of any physical work is WWE, and we all know that's fixed, so come on Sam Peter, KO this wannabe middleweight.

but u see Peter is too heavy too.

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Originally Posted by plinden

but u see Peter is too heavy too.

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In my view though, the difference is that Peter doesn't have a fight plan based on avoiding the opponent's shots and working with great counter. For this plan, Toney does seem to be a very big man, and the weight will not help him as he tries to duck and dodge through Peter's shots. The plan for Peter is to be as strong as possible, and blast Toney out of there. He's a big fella and packs a big punch, and that is where I think the difference is. Also, Peter is 4 inches taller than Toney too, so he probably carries the extra weight easier than someone of Toney's stature. However, I'm sure if he goes in against Klitschko, Peter would not be as big as he is this weekend, while Toney.....thinks he can beat anyone however big he is.

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but u see Peter is too heavy too.

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In my view though, the difference is that Peter doesn't have a fight plan based on avoiding the opponent's shots and working with great counter. For this plan, Toney does seem to be a very big man, and the weight will not help him as he tries to duck and dodge through Peter's shots. The plan for Peter is to be as strong as possible, and blast Toney out of there. He's a big fella and packs a big punch, and that is where I think the difference is. Also, Peter is 4 inches taller than Toney too, so he probably carries the extra weight easier than someone of Toney's stature. However, I'm sure if he goes in against Klitschko, Peter would not be as big as he is this weekend, while Toney.....thinks he can beat anyone however big he is.

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:coolclick: in another 24 hours. Very well said. I still think that Toney wins...but Christ I hope that I am WRONG!! ;D

Either way...I hope that they let it all hang out...all combined 600lbs. :-X

Show Chaaaaaaalee Murphey ya titties!

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but u see Peter is too heavy too.

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In my view though, the difference is that Peter doesn't have a fight plan based on avoiding the opponent's shots and working with great counter. For this plan, Toney does seem to be a very big man, and the weight will not help him as he tries to duck and dodge through Peter's shots. The plan for Peter is to be as strong as possible, and blast Toney out of there. He's a big fella and packs a big punch, and that is where I think the difference is. Also, Peter is 4 inches taller than Toney too, so he probably carries the extra weight easier than someone of Toney's stature. However, I'm sure if he goes in against Klitschko, Peter would not be as big as he is this weekend, while Toney.....thinks he can beat anyone however big he is.

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So you're saying Peter coming in heavy is an advantage and James coming in lighter is a disadvantage?

Peter didn't really look like throwing the shots that he'd need to beat Toney, he won a decision against Hawkins a guy he should have stopped. I'm not sure I'm buying this toney hype. If Toney used a jab then he has a chance, he doesn't. If Peter wins it would be by quick stoppage while he's flaining toneys arms

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but u see Peter is too heavy too.

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In my view though, the difference is that Peter doesn't have a fight plan based on avoiding the opponent's shots and working with great counter. For this plan, Toney does seem to be a very big man, and the weight will not help him as he tries to duck and dodge through Peter's shots. The plan for Peter is to be as strong as possible, and blast Toney out of there. He's a big fella and packs a big punch, and that is where I think the difference is. Also, Peter is 4 inches taller than Toney too, so he probably carries the extra weight easier than someone of Toney's stature. However, I'm sure if he goes in against Klitschko, Peter would not be as big as he is this weekend, while Toney.....thinks he can beat anyone however big he is.

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So you're saying Peter coming in heavy is an advantage and James coming in lighter is a disadvantage?

Peter didn't really look like throwing the shots that he'd need to beat Toney, he won a decision against Hawkins a guy he should have stopped. I'm not sure I'm buying this toney hype. If Toney used a jab then he has a chance, he doesn't. If Peter wins it would be by quick stoppage while he's flaining toneys arms

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Naah, what I was trying to say was that Toney coming in heavy affects his gameplan and the way he fights more than Peter coming in heavy does. Peter is, in essence, a very good, one dimensional power fighter. He is going to go in the ring, and try and hit Toney till he falls over. How much he weighs doesn't really affect that plan too much.

However, Toney, is going to go in there, try and avoid and block, and try and counter Peter. What i was trying to say was that Toney needs to go in there agile, and have the 12 round stamina to keep moving and keep out of the way of PEter's big punches through the fight. My view is that if Peter catches Toney flush with one of his biggest punches, then Toney is going to struggle to get back on his feet, and that's why he needs the stamina and agility to stay out of the way.

Tonight on ESPN's Friday Night Fights we get two treats...the main event is another showcase of up & coming Super Middleweight prospect Allan Green.

Many regard Green as the next big thing at 168lbs. That remains to be seen. Keeping him busy & feeding him leftovers & journeymen has been enough to appease critics so far...no need in rushing him until he's good & ready.

But first...finally...the rematch that some of us have been waiting for!

Augustus Burton II.

For those of you that missed it...back in 2004 these two faced off & Augustus clearly had the upper hand pretty much the majority of the fight...but it fell upon the judges to pass this match off as one of the most obvious hometown knods that we would ever see. Let's see if Augustus can redeem himself as he finally get's his shot at righting the wrong against Burton.

Emanuel Augustus (65 fights, 32 wins & 17 ko's, 27 losses, & 6 draws) vs Courtney Burton (27 fights, 21 wins with 11 ko's, & 5 losses) Round 1: Okay...here we go! Ten rounds. For once...I finally want Augustus to win. Augustus comes out strong. Nails with the right hand straight down the pipe. Burton returns with the jab & Augustus answers with another right. Right hand again. Burton misses with a jab. Left hand by Burton. Right hand misses for Burton as they go shoulder to shoulder. Augustus jabs. Right hand & then a left from Burton. Augustus pops him with a right hand & Burton lands a jab. Right from Augustus. Burton with a left & then a right. Augustus moving now. Left hand from Augustus. Right hand from Burton. Burton to the body & then upstairs. Left hand from Augustus. Right & then a left from Burton.

Even round IWO.

Emanuel Augustus (65 fights, 32 wins & 17 ko's, 27 losses, & 6 draws) vs Courtney Burton (27 fights, 21 wins with 11 ko's, & 5 losses) Round 2: Burton jabs & then fires a right & misses as Augustus slips it. Combo from Augustus on the guard. Straight right from Augustus. Burton counters. Augustus jabbing. Burton connects. Jab from Augustus. 1-2 from Augustus. Jab & then a right hand. Burton backs him up & Augustus lands a right & then a 1-2 hook combo. Nice. Righthand from Augustus as he is settling in. Shoulder to shoulder & Augustus is getting the better of it. Left hand from Burton. Body shots by Augustus. Left hook from Augustus & then a jab to the body. Augustus constantly moving. Jabs from both. Body shot by Augustus. Left & right hook to the body by Burton. Augustus jabs. Burton jabs. Right hand cracks Burton.

Round to Augustus.

Emanuel Augustus (65 fights, 32 wins & 17 ko's, 27 losses, & 6 draws) vs Courtney Burton (27 fights, 21 wins with 11 ko's, & 5 losses) Round 3: Good fight so far. Burton jabs & feints. Right hand from Augustus. Body shot by Augustus. Burton jabs & backs him up. Body shot by Augustus & he's getting into "mobile clown mode" as you read this. Over hand right from Augustus. 1-2 combo from Augustus. Burton lands a left hook. Jab fvrom Augustus. Another hook from Burton. Right hand by Burton. Body shot by Augustus. Right & then a left from Burton. 3 punch combo from Augustus. Burton lands two in return. Shoulder to shoulder on the ropes. Trading. Augustus getting the better of it. Shoulder to shoulder again. Right hook big from Augustus. Burton cracks back. Trading jabs. Burton to the body.

Not sure about that round.

Emanuel Augustus (65 fights, 32 wins & 17 ko's, 27 losses, & 6 draws) vs Courtney Burton (27 fights, 21 wins with 11 ko's, & 5 losses) Round 4: Augustus comes out dancing & slipping Burton's shots. Augustus showboating & frustrating Burton. This is why I HATE AUGUSTUS. He's acting like a fool. Now here he goes. 12 punch combo by Augustus. He had Burton pretty much just shaken in his boots & now Burton clocks him. Right hook by Augustus. Left & then a straight right by Augustus. 3 punches from Burton unanswered. Nope. Augustus clocked him. Hook & upper from Augustus. Left hook from Burton. Right to the body from Augustus. Burton cracks back. Double jab from Burton. Right hook & then a left from Burton. Left hand on the ropes & then a jab from Burton. Roughing it up on the ropes. Burton get's the better of it.

Who knows who won that round. Totally ignorant antics.

Emanuel Augustus (65 fights, 32 wins & 17 ko's, 27 losses, & 6 draws) vs Courtney Burton (27 fights, 21 wins with 11 ko's, & 5 losses) Round 5: 4 punch combo from Augustus. Burton fires back. Augustus talking now. Another 4 punch combo from Augustus. Burton cracks him. Augustus ties up. Augustus jabs. Burton lands a left hook. Clench. Burton to the body. Augustus jabs. Burton clocks him a few. Lef thook up top from Burton. Body shots by Burton. BIg right hand from Augustus. Burton hooks wild. That shot from Augustus hurt him. BOdy shot from Augustus & then Burton nails him with a left hook. 3 punch combo from Burton. Left hook from Burton, stunned Augustus. Body shot from Augustus. CLench. Jabs from both miss. Augustus lands a few straight shots on the ropes & then Burton lands a left that hits on the button.

Round to Burton. Close...but Burton got the better shots in.

Emanuel Augustus (65 fights, 32 wins & 17 ko's, 27 losses, & 6 draws) vs Courtney Burton (27 fights, 21 wins with 11 ko's, & 5 losses) Round 6: Augustus comes out strong. Right hand on the button. Augustus jabbing. Burton lands a straight right & Augustus counters. 4 shots by Augustus up top unanswered. Body shot by Augustus. Nice. Right hand from Augustus. SHoulde rto shoulder again. Right hand from Augustus. A few shots missed by Augustus. He's clowning again. Ties up Burton. Left hook from Burton. More clowning. Body shot by Burton. Heavy trading & Augustus get's the cleaner shots in. RIght hand from Augustus & Burton nails him with a counter left. Looked like Burton gained the upper hand at the bell.

Even round.

Emanuel Augustus (65 fights, 32 wins & 17 ko's, 27 losses, & 6 draws) vs Courtney Burton (27 fights, 21 wins with 11 ko's, & 5 losses) Round 7: Burton presses Augustus into the corner & goes to the body. Augustus talking. Burton punching. Shoulder to shoulder still in the corner. Body shots by Burton. Augustus firing in now after out of the corner. Both men throwing hard. Burton to the body & backs Augustus back in the corner. Upper cut from Augustus. Burton lands the straight right up top. Both fighters warned for use of heads. 4 punch combo by Augustus. Augustus jabbing. Burton backs him to the ropes & goes to the body. Both men trade power shots again. Burton cracks him & he goes into clown mode & Burton cracks him again.

Thank you Burton.

Even round...I think.

Emanuel Augustus (65 fights, 32 wins & 17 ko's, 27 losses, & 6 draws) vs Courtney Burton (27 fights, 21 wins with 11 ko's, & 5 losses) Round 8: Augustus first on the exchange. Burton bulls in. BOdy shot by Augustus. Right hand by Augustus. Burton with a left. BOdy shots again by Augustus. Lef thook by Burton. Rigth from Burton. Double hook from Augustus. BOdy shot & then a right hand from Burton. Body shots from Augustus followed by a left & right combo. Body shot. Left hook. Right hand. Body shots. Down goes Augustus from a series of body shots & it's over. Augustus KO'd him with a load of body work.

Oh boy. Glad he won.

Teddy Atlas said that he's gonna go with THE YOUNG STRONG PETER...


























...to win the fight. Heh heh heh. ;D

The young strong Peter. ;D

Allan Green (21 wins with 15 ko's) vs Emmett Linton (41 fights, 33 wins with 15 ko's, 4 losses, & 2 draws) Round 1: Green jabbing. Backs Linton to the ropes with a right hand. They go straight to trading. Left hand by Linton. Jab by Green. 1-2 by Green. Right hook & then a left for Green two times in a row. Linton jabs. Green pops him with a right. Green throwing the same right hook & left to follow. Right hand from Green. Green to the body. Linton jabs. Straight right from Green. Linton swings wild. SHoulder to shoulder on the ropes. 1-2-3 from Green. Linton lands to the body. Body shot & a big left hook from Green. Big right from Green at the bell as they are shoulder to shoulder again.

Lack lustre...but it goes to Green.

Allan Green (21 wins with 15 ko's) vs Emmett Linton (41 fights, 33 wins with 15 ko's, 4 losses, & 2 draws) Round 2: Not really big on Green. Seems very limited. Linton comes out firing. Right hand from Green. Linton lands a left & a right. Straight left from Linton on the button. Green presses him on the inside. Body shots from Green. Linton lands a left & a right up top. Clench. 1-2 from Green. Shoulder to shoulder again. RIght hand from Linton. Left hand from Linton. Upper cut. RIght hand & a left hook from Linton. Green caught & hurt. Shoulder to shoulder. Linton cracks him again. Body shot by Green. Linton nails him again. Green holding on. Right hand & then a left from Linton. Straight rights front Linton nail Green. He's wide open to that shot.

Round to Linton.

Allan Green (21 wins with 15 ko's) vs Emmett Linton (41 fights, 33 wins with 15 ko's, 4 losses, & 2 draws) Round 3: Green first out firing. Hard right hand & then a big left sends Linton to the mat. It was a push. BOdy shot from Green. 3 punches from Green up top. Linton cracks him back. Green having a lot of trouble with Linton. Left hand from Linton. 1-2 from Green. Clench. Body shots by Linton. Shoulde rtoshoulder again. Right hand from Green on the ropes. Body shot from Green. Linton to the body. 3 punches from Green. Clench. Bodyh shots from Linton. Green just pushing Linton. Both men trade against the ropes. Straight left from Linton. 3 punches from Green. Linton cracks him. Body shot by Linton.

Even round.

Allan Green (21 wins with 15 ko's) vs Emmett Linton (41 fights, 33 wins with 15 ko's, 4 losses, & 2 draws) Round 4: Linton first on the exchange. Jabs from Green. Right hand from Linton. Green counters. Right & then a left from Linton. Lef thand from Linton again. Green aint doing so good IWO. Upper cut from Green on the inside. Right hand from Green. Linton combos. Green jabbing. Lef thand from Linton on the inside. Big right hand from Green. Clench. 1-2 from Green. Right on the button. Linton still coming. BIg left hand from Linton. 1-2-3 from Green. Shoe shine from Green. Linton still coming.

I don't know...I guess Green won that one. ::**

Allan Green (21 wins with 15 ko's) vs Emmett Linton (41 fights, 33 wins with 15 ko's, 4 losses, & 2 draws) Round 5: Green just jabbing. Linton pressing. 1-2-3 again from Green. This kid just keeps using the same shit. Linton now shoe shines. Green jabbing & looking shatty. Left hand for Linton during the exchange snapped Green's head back & they tie up. 1-2 from Green again. Linton backing him up again. Right & then a left from Linton. Right hand from Green. Shoulder to shoulder & Linton cracks him on the inside. Right hand from Green as Linton comes in. Big right hand from Linton. 1-2-3 from Linton as Green comes in. Left hook on the inside by Linton. Linton jabs. Green just don't know what to do.

Round goes to Linton.

Allan Green (21 wins with 15 ko's) vs Emmett Linton (41 fights, 33 wins with 15 ko's, 4 losses, & 2 draws) Round 6: Green jabs. Linton hooks. Linton goes to jabbing & as Green comes in...Linton catches him again. Left hook from Linton. CLench. Green fires out. Right hand from Green. Body shots by Linton. Left hook by Green. Body shots by Linton. CLench. Left hand on the inside by Linton. Body shots by Linton & Green is holding. 1-2 from Green again. Left hook by Green. Shoulder to shoulder. Left hook by Linton. Linton jabbing & backing Green up. Big right hand from Linton & Green goes to the body. Linton still walking him down. Green is seriously confused.

Not sure who to give that one too either.

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Emanuel Augustus (65 fights, 32 wins & 17 ko's, 27 losses, & 6 draws) vs Courtney Burton (27 fights, 21 wins with 11 ko's, & 5 losses) Round 8: Augustus first on the exchange. Burton bulls in. BOdy shot by Augustus. Right hand by Augustus. Burton with a left. BOdy shots again by Augustus. Lef thook by Burton. Rigth from Burton. Double hook from Augustus. BOdy shot & then a right hand from Burton. Body shots from Augustus followed by a left & right combo. Body shot. Left hook. Right hand. Body shots. Down goes Augustus from a series of body shots & it's over. Augustus KO'd him with a load of body work.

Oh boy. Glad he won.

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Augustus won? He got justice!! ;D But I think you were a bit biased on the side of Burton because Augustus was clowning ;)

Allan Green (21 wins with 15 ko's) vs Emmett Linton (41 fights, 33 wins with 15 ko's, 4 losses, & 2 draws) Round 7: Linton first on the exchange again. Linton jabs. Green just back pedaling. Body work by Linton. Right hook by Linton. Body shots by Green. Left hook followed by a right from Green. Big left hook followed by a right & then another left from Green. Down goes Linton. Green goes in for the kill. Big left hand. Massive combinations from Green. Green may have punched his self out. Yep. He's tying up & his mouth is wide open. Linton hammers him as they are shoulder to shoulder. Linton to teh body & then up stairs. He hurt Green just then. Bell.

Ha ha ha ha!!! Hillarious. I have to call that round for Green...but it was close because Linton got up & ended up getting up for the game.

Allan Green (21 wins with 15 ko's) vs Emmett Linton (41 fights, 33 wins with 15 ko's, 4 losses, & 2 draws) Round 8: Green comes out strong. Right hand. Left to teh body by Green. Green pushes Linton to the ropes & tries to work. 1-2-3 from Linton. Green covering up. Big right followed by a left from Linton. Green felt that. Left hook from Green. Linton walking him down again. Right hand from Green. Linton jabs. Green loading up. Green fires & Linton slides. Linton jabs. Trading from both men. Right hook from Green. Linton jabs. Left hooks from Linton. Green fires back. Trading to the bell.

Even round.

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Emanuel Augustus (65 fights, 32 wins & 17 ko's, 27 losses, & 6 draws) vs Courtney Burton (27 fights, 21 wins with 11 ko's, & 5 losses) Round 8: Augustus first on the exchange. Burton bulls in. BOdy shot by Augustus. Right hand by Augustus. Burton with a left. BOdy shots again by Augustus. Lef thook by Burton. Rigth from Burton. Double hook from Augustus. BOdy shot & then a right hand from Burton. Body shots from Augustus followed by a left & right combo. Body shot. Left hook. Right hand. Body shots. Down goes Augustus from a series of body shots & it's over. Augustus KO'd him with a load of body work.

Oh boy. Glad he won.

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Augustus won? He got justice!! ;D But I think you were a bit biased on the side of Burton because Augustus was clowning ;)

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That's what you get for thinking. :-*

Allan Green (21 wins with 15 ko's) vs Emmett Linton (41 fights, 33 wins with 15 ko's, 4 losses, & 2 draws) Round 9: Back to the trade. The same thing from both men. Green fires the jab & then the 1-2. Shoulder to shoulder & Green now shoe shines up top. Linton to the body & then up top with a right. Green catches LInton coming in. Green backing out now. Green then rips up top when Linton comes in. Nice. Linton still there. Linton hit Green behind the head. Body work by Green then up top. Backs Linton out. Now LInton seems a bit tentative about coming in. Left hook from Green. Right hand from Linton. Green lands a left hook & then a rgiht & they trade again to the bell.

Green got that round.

Allan Green (21 wins with 15 ko's) vs Emmett Linton (41 fights, 33 wins with 15 ko's, 4 losses, & 2 draws) Round 10: Right hook by Green. Right hand & then a left from Green. Linton to the body. Green lands a straight right. Clench. Left hook by Linton. Shoulder to shoulder again. Right & then a left by Green. Pushes Linton to the ropes again. Right hand by Linton & then body work as they are on the ropes again. Green comes in & Linton pops him. Nothing on it though. Left hand & then a right by Green. Linton 1-2-3 effectively. Green still coming & flurries up top also. SHoulder to shoulder against the ropes & they are both wailing away trying to close the show...but it's over.

Green will win this one. Unimpressively.

Don't dig on Green.

The upper...hell even middle row of 160 or 168 eats this kid alive.

UD for Green.

So, basically Wack...what you're saying is that Green is not the great saviour of the SMW division for America? Does that leave Manfredo Jr and Joey Spina as the great American hopes? Or are we hoping that RJJ will come back down to the weight to fight Calzaghe? If Green was as unimpressive as you say, I'll wait for him to fight one of those contenders that you mentioned, he may just be fighting down to the level of his opponent. But, if he's managed by the same guy as Malik Scott, that could be sometime in 2015.
Can't be cautious forever.

Looks like you were pretty lonely out there last night Wack, but a sterling effort nonetheless. CC for your work mate, tireless, unwavering...i'm very impressed.

even though i dont like james i think he will win this one

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So, basically Wack...what you're saying is that Green is not the great saviour of the SMW division for America? Does that leave Manfredo Jr and Joey Spina as the great American hopes? Or are we hoping that RJJ will come back down to the weight to fight Calzaghe? If Green was as unimpressive as you say, I'll wait for him to fight one of those contenders that you mentioned, he may just be fighting down to the level of his opponent. But, if he's managed by the same guy as Malik Scott, that could be sometime in 2015.
Can't be cautious forever.

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He was horrible. No shit. I don't dig on Spina or Manfredo jr. either.

Calzaghe is actually my favorite fighter at 168lbs & then Kessler. I don't get into all that nationality shit because honestly...if the man can fight...fwock where he's from. Ya heard?!?!? ;D

Been on Calzaghe's junk for quite sometime...tried to tell everyone not to get over confident with Lacy & I'll say the same thing if Hopkins or Jones goes over to fight him.

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Looks like you were pretty lonely out there last night Wack, but a sterling effort nonetheless. CC for your work mate, tireless, unwavering...i'm very impressed.

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Yup...the house was empty last night...but I am glad that they were out for a night on the town...because last night was as wack as my ass!

:coolclick: right back.

Only 15 more hours people...& the fat shall be a flyin!

CC Wacko for the RBR AND for your point about nationality,it does not make a difference where one is from as long as they are good boxers,who cares? There's too much love for a fighter just because he is from a particular place,overlooking his flaws etc in favour of his nationality?!

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CC Wacko for the RBR AND for your point about nationality,it does not make a difference where one is from as long as they are good boxers,who cares? There's too much love for a fighter just because he is from a particular place,overlooking his flaws etc in favour of his nationality?!

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:coolclick: right back Gamo.

Agreed. Nationality bias is generally just a ROYAL mistake. ;D

Joe Frazer was MUCH more skilled than Foreman ...but size and power won out ....

in no way is this a no brainer or mismatch lol

i seriously think u just say that to make your possible victory againts James toney that much sweeter by pretendng he should win hands down ....lol SIZE MATTERS ....Deigo corrales wasnt as slick or skillled as the "fredo man" lol

also i'm sure plenty people sai that Tyson Lewis was a "no brainer"

ANYWAY i'm not buying it wacko!! because everythying i know about boxing tels me that if james toney wins it will be a phenomenal accoplishment like Ali-Foreman

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ANYWAY i'm not buying it wacko!! because everythying i know about boxing tels me that if james toney wins it will be a phenomenal accoplishment like Ali-Foreman

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Holy shit means!

Let me go check my liquor cabinet...because youv'e been in it all night!

If Toney wins...it won't be by any means a phenomenal accoplishment like Ali-Foreman. Sam Peter is nothing but raw power. Watch his previous fights. He hardly uses a jab & all he has is his power & ability to push opponents around the ring with his weight & then loops his punches in.

If Toney loses...I'll be shocked.

Now...stay the fwock outta the drink means...it does you no justice. ;D

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ANYWAY i'm not buying it wacko!! because everythying i know about boxing tels me that if james toney wins it will be a phenomenal accoplishment like Ali-Foreman

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Holy S*** means!

Let me go check my liquor cabinet...because youv'e been in it all night!

If Toney wins...it won't be by any means a phenomenal accoplishment like Ali-Foreman. Sam Peter is nothing but raw power. Watch his previous fights. He hardly uses a jab & all he has is his power & ability to push opponents around the ring with his weight & then loops his punches in.

If Toney loses...I'll be shocked.

Now...stay the fwock outta the drink means...it does you no justice. ;D

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CC i left u a lil somthin in the cabinet ...but with joe fraziers bob & weeve defense and Foremans wide looping punches ...how did joe lose so fast ....fights like this is what makes the heavyweight division the most interesting ...its because of the KO punches

Sam peter hits too hard to just let his punches roll off Toneys shoulders ...anyway im starting to feel like i'm the only one who sees it ...i'm praying toney wins though i'm afraid for him 4real