Just another Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Klitschko vs Brock

in 6????......I'll wager whatever for that, Wlad will most definantly knock him down before then!

100% confident

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Originally Posted by bcollins

For getting a close-up of the canvas as many times as he did in that fight, Wlad was still impressive to me. Here's why:

- He got up. And again. And went on to win. This was something Wlad needed to do to prove he should be where he is.

-He seriously outboxed Peter. Not that that is difficult to do in and of itself, but he looked like the fighter a lot of people want him to be. His jab truly is a ferocious weapon, and that straight right is even worse. If Peter didn't have a chin of steel, he would've been out early.

-Movement. I was very surprised to see Wlad's agility in this fight - for a guy that big, he can actually move.

On the other hand, he did show shades of his former problems with stamina, weak chin, whatever you want to call it. But Peter is a huge puncher, and he did get up, so....for me, the jury's still out. We all know Wlad has the strength and skills to dominate the division. But he still seems very vulnerable to me. I gues I'm just having a hard time putting the images of him falling all over the ring out of my head.

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CC big guy, that's as unbiased an opinion I've seen on here.

Wlad has never been "knocked cold" he's always been able to get back up except for when he was so tired vs Brewster....and you could tell he was just tired because he took some BOMBS from Lamon and didn't fall until the bell at the end of the round.

Yes Wlad has his flaws, but all fighters have flaws! Even Ray Robinson and Ray Leonard and Ali....they just have smaller flaws than most other fighters and they try not to let people take advantage of it.

So that being said the key for Wlad is to not let people capitalize on his chin or stamina and the clinching is a big part of it....same thing Lennox Lewis did and for the exact same reasons.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Yeah and Sam still lost a one sided decision.....your point?

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Relax ninja.... ;) WLad is far from established himself as the end all be all....He is on his way though

~ Referee: Randy Neumann | Judge: Lynne Carter 114-111 | Judge: George Hill 114-111 | Judge: Steve Weisfeld 114-111 ~


3 scores of 114-111 aint a one sided beat down by the way

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It's one sided when you add in the fact Wlad was knocked down 3 times!

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Originally Posted by bcollins

For getting a close-up of the canvas as many times as he did in that fight, Wlad was still impressive to me. Here's why:

- He got up. And again. And went on to win. This was something Wlad needed to do to prove he should be where he is.

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For real! This is what impressed me the most about that fight, i remember posting something along similar lines.
Wlad has a heart to win no doubt... Thats good enough for me.

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Originally Posted by bcollins

On the other hand, he did show shades of his former problems with stamina, weak chin, whatever you want to call it. But Peter is a huge puncher, and he did get up, so....for me, the jury's still out. We all know Wlad has the strength and skills to dominate the division. But he still seems very vulnerable to me. I gues I'm just having a hard time putting the images of him falling all over the ring out of my head.

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Yup! :coolclick:

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Yeah and Sam still lost a one sided decision.....your point?

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Relax ninja.... ;) WLad is far from established himself as the end all be all....He is on his way though

~ Referee: Randy Neumann | Judge: Lynne Carter 114-111 | Judge: George Hill 114-111 | Judge: Steve Weisfeld 114-111 ~


3 scores of 114-111 aint a one sided beat down by the way

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It's one sided when you add in the fact Wlad was knocked down 3 times!

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Ok think about what you just said.... :headscratch: Wlad tasted the canvas 3x you dont get a 1 sided desicion on someone while picking yourself up 3x..... thats why they score knock downs the way they do

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Originally Posted by Lyle

in 6????......I'll wager whatever for that, Wlad will most definantly knock him down before then!

100% confident

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Okay, I'll rephrase it...I don't think Wlad can finish it within 6. If you fancy it mate...then I'm up for it. I'm always o/l anyway, so once a day on the CC for seven days is my stake.

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Originally Posted by diamonddavestafford

Is this fight Saturday night on HBO or what? I hope Brock can pull it off...I think a lot of people are on Wlad's nutsack and I dont really see why. He's nothing special.

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He is nothing special hes just the club until a legit champion shows up.

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Do you even watch boxing??? :P

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Wlad isn't undisputed heavyweight championship material. If he does manage to unify the title that would just show how bad the division really is. In a legit heavyweight division, he would be one of those guys that grabs an alphabet belt or two here and there but doesn't run the entire division.

note: He's not his brother

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

Okay, I'll rephrase it...I don't think Wlad can finish it within 6. If you fancy it mate...then I'm up for it. I'm always o/l anyway, so once a day on the CC for seven days is my stake.

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OK, I'm game...Wlad KO before the 6th round ends

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

Wlad isn't undisputed heavyweight championship material. If he does manage to unify the title that would just show how bad the division really is. In a legit heavyweight division, he would be one of those guys that grabs an alphabet belt or two here and there but doesn't run the entire division.

note: He's not his brother

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#1 Wlad IS undisputed heavyweight champ material....who's there to really pose a threat for a full fight?

#2 He's a better BOXER than his brother...Vitali was more durable and relaxed when he got hit.....Wlad hits harder

Wladimir Klitschko 241

Calvin Brock 224

Both are at the same weights they were at for their last fights.....Wlad blast out Chris Byrd in 7 and Brock tried to catch up with Timor for 12.

Good weights for both, they are both in GREAT shape.





Speaking of GREAT SHAPE Evander Holyfield at 217!!!! James Toney should train with him!!!!!

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BROCK DOES NOT HAVE EVEN

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Sal sal sal sal sal. I don't really think that is entirely accurate, I would suggest that you may have exaggerated somewhat. I'd bet you a week's cc's that brock takes Wlad at least into the second half of the fight. You fancy it? I believe it is taken from the "put up or shut up" thread, but still.... ;)

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i can guarentee you that IF the fight lasts till round 4...

after rd 3 when brock sits on his tool you will see the blankest stare a man has ever had

he will have realized he threw away a chance to make a fuckload more money by winning the other belts and remaining undefeated

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So is that acceptance of the wager then? Personally I don't see Brock winning, but I don't see Wlad being able to put him on his arse within 6, as you seem so confident that he will!

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my call is the round after the first round thet klitschko throws something other then a jab or a straight will be the last ;)

my call...

it ends in the 4th

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Ok think about what you just said.... :headscratch: Wlad tasted the canvas 3x you dont get a 1 sided desicion on someone while picking yourself up 3x..... thats why they score knock downs the way they do

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....well perhaps you need to see it to believe it...Sam was even hard pressed to win the rounds that he knocked Wlad down it.

Plus Sam Peter has only been warned/penalized for rabbit punching ONCE (vs James Toney)....rabbit punching can permenantly hurt or even kill boxers. Wladimir was hit behind the head for 2 knockdowns.

Holding might not add excitement to the fight but #1 it doesn't hurt people and #2 if John Ruiz hasn't been penalized for it then OBVIOUSLY Wlad's clinching shouldn't even be talked about

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Ok think about what you just said.... :headscratch: Wlad tasted the canvas 3x you dont get a 1 sided desicion on someone while picking yourself up 3x..... thats why they score knock downs the way they do

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....well perhaps you need to see it to believe it...Sam was even hard pressed to win the rounds that he knocked Wlad down it.

Plus Sam Peter has only been warned/penalized for rabbit punching ONCE (vs James Toney)....rabbit punching can permenantly hurt or even kill boxers. Wladimir was hit behind the head for 2 knockdowns.

Holding might not add excitement to the fight but #1 it doesn't hurt people and #2 if John Ruiz hasn't been penalized for it then OBVIOUSLY Wlad's clinching shouldn't even be talked about

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Just the fact that you have mention Wlad in the same sentence as Ruiz says it all. I mean c'mon, holding feather fisted Byrd!? If thats not cowardly, I don't know what is. I like what Wlad stands for outside the ring and that makes it difficult to root against him but I just couldn't call myself a fan anymore after he started fighting like he is less skilled than he really is. He should believe in himself and his skills as much as you do cause he probably really is that good but the problem is that he's not proving it by getting by on cheating. All fighters have strenths and weaknesses and obviously has more strengths than most HWs but when his opponents don't even get to take advantage of his weaknesses due to illegal tactics, then it's just not right and he should not get credit for it.

Jesus.....let me explain this to you Bx

John Ruiz is Public Enemy #1 when it comes to making boring fights because of clinching....Wladimir is NOWEHER NEAR as bad as Ruiz. I was contrasting them rather than comparing them. Ruiz does it WORSE than Wlad and he hasn't been penalized for it so why should Wlad (who holds LESS not more....LESS than Ruiz) get penalized first or more???


ALSO people always forget that EVANDER HOLYFIELD smothers guys on the inside all the time too and no one complains about that.....they complain about head butting.



are we done now? Honestly the more I hear about it the more I want Wladimir to just knock everyone the fuck out.....no one will be pleased though they'll be too busy saying the division sucks and making excuses.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Ok think about what you just said.... :headscratch: Wlad tasted the canvas 3x you dont get a 1 sided desicion on someone while picking yourself up 3x..... thats why they score knock downs the way they do

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....well perhaps you need to see it to believe it...Sam was even hard pressed to win the rounds that he knocked Wlad down it.

Plus Sam Peter has only been warned/penalized for rabbit punching ONCE (vs James Toney)....rabbit punching can permenantly hurt or even kill boxers. Wladimir was hit behind the head for 2 knockdowns.

Holding might not add excitement to the fight but #1 it doesn't hurt people and #2 if John Ruiz hasn't been penalized for it then OBVIOUSLY Wlad's clinching shouldn't even be talked about

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I am aware of the ramifications of hitting behind the head...I despise that more than the low blow...I saw the fight, but its a matter of opinion guess

Yeah some say Wlad turned away from the punch, some say the punch was going to be behind the head anyways

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Yeah some say Wlad turned away from the punch, some say the punch was going to be behind the head anyways

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On any account I am serious I hate hitting in the back of the head...I gasp anytime I see someone get caught with those shots, you can cause severe Trauma to the head and the base of the spine.....

On any account I am looking for ways to get Back on the Wlad train, nothing makes me feel better than to see a fighter that was regarded high then gets written off from a shaky peformance(In Wlads case a Few) only to comeback and be successful... ;)

I read these forums quite often but never post. You guys have such great discussions and analysis. I have to say that I like both fighters in this bout, but Pre-Manny Steward Wladimir Klitchko was the real deal. I think that if he shows up in a offensive frame of mind, Brock will be KO'd early.

Keep in mind what Brock said about Timor Ibragimov's power in that post fight interview. Wlad's speed, POWER, and technique are on another level IMO. I doubt Brock has the CHIN to beat Wlad.

Wlad win inside six rounds, and Wacko you are the man! (just love your posts)

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Originally Posted by SMG

I read these forums quite often but never post. You guys have such great discussions and analysis. I have to say that I like both fighters in this bout, but Pre-Manny Steward Wladimir Klitchko was the real deal. I think that if he shows up in a offensive frame of mind, Brock will be KO'd early.

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Agreed...Pre-Manny Klit was the real deal. Totally agree there.

Welcome to the forum. Have the Obligatory Wacko Welcome Wagon :coolclick:

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Originally Posted by SMG

Keep in mind what Brock said about Timor Ibragimov's power in that post fight interview. Wlad's speed, POWER, and technique are on another level IMO. I doubt Brock has the CHIN to beat Wlad.

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Agreed again. I think that this is like leading a lamb to a slaughter.

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Originally Posted by SMG

Wlad win inside six rounds, and Wacko you are the man! (just love your posts)

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Agreed. I think he stops him just like he did Byrd.

Thanks for the love babe. Much appreciated. Welcome home. ;)

The Pre Manny Wlad was one dimensional...he didn't know what to do when he got hit and he didn't spend enough time in the ring in training.

He was still super talented, I think now he is more patient but also more confident. When Peter knocked him down he didn't panic, when Sanders knocked him down he did panic

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Originally Posted by Lyle

The Pre Manny Wlad was one dimensional...he didn't know what to do when he got hit and he didn't spend enough time in the ring in training.

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Now I know that your'e the authority here on Wlad...& I don't mean that smart assed like it sounds...but I totally disagree.

I've now logged in about 24 - 25 fights of his & I have to totally disagree with you.

He was raw...YES...but not one dimensional by any means.

One man that didn't think so was Lewis. I still stick to my opinion that Lewis was scared of Wlad & with good reason. IWO, Lewis was one of the true students of the game. He studied his opponants & he was very very analitical of them.

Calling Sanders up & giving him the winning stroke against Wlad...says much.

I really really am surprised that you think he was a 1-D fighter...I just don't see it.

Again...not being a smart ass...I'm just shocked that you think so.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

He was still super talented, I think now he is more patient but also more confident. When Peter knocked him down he didn't panic, when Sanders knocked him down he did panic

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Again...as much as I hate to...I disagree again. He does seem a bit more patient...but I aint sure that he's more confident. He didn't panic against Peter...but he did against Williamson.

I just don't know...I also aint so sure that I like the idea of Manny making him his new Lewis...but hey...if it works...& he dominates...I'm fine with being wrong.

Well Wacko it's quite simple....his offense as awesome as it is, under Fritz Sdunek was his best weapon but his greatest enemy....he had Vargas disease, he was in love with punching, always punching and if someone could weather the storm they had a shot at beating him.

I don't think his chin is that bad but I think his lack of sparring in previous years made him panic because he never got hit before and when you're infront of thousands of people oohing and aahing about you getting hit it makes you think about it and maybe you're more hurt because of that.

Manny has had to work a lot with Wlad and the more sparring he does the more he knows: how to take a punch, how to pace himself, how to fight tired, what to do when hurt, etc.

Williamson was a weird fight, I don't think he really got worried about Davaryl....I think he was frustrated because TOS was running away and fighting scared and it was hard to go about attacking him when TOS was so worried....the headbutt was probably the best thing that could have come of that fight. And the knockdown, he got caught off balance simple as that, he got back up.


As a guy who has been rocked in the ring I can tell you, it's not the punch that really hurts you, it's the worry about it. Your adrenaline gets pumping and you get a little loopy and don't think straight......but it happens again and it's easier to deal with.




Manny Steward is a Hall of Fame trainer, he's coached a number of guys with a number of different styles but his best work is with tall, lanky guys, with good power and fast hands. Tommy Hearns, Lennox Lewis, and Wladimir Klitschko. You never need to worry when he's training someone and that's a FACT. I think he's one of the rare trainers that always gives the right advice, he doesn't lie to his fighters, he calms them down, tells them what they are doing good and what the plan is for the next round and his experience in itself should be very reassuring to a fighter.....I'd listen to him

Also Wacko you must realize with Vitali, the USSR basketball power forwards and centers used to come in a spar with him and Vitali had to just do defense so Vitali knew what to expect when he got cracked on the jaw....Wlad didn't get that kind of experience and I think it hurt him

Q: How can you have brothers and 1 guy have such a good chin and the other have such a bad one?

A: 50% genetics and 50% environment...Vitali got treated differently and so there is the reason

Wlad will win in two rounds!

Soon as he get's his range...BOOM....Lights OUT ;)
Does Brock know the meaning of the word Training :-\
Looks badly out of shape

Actually Brock is in decent shape, he's just got a different frame.

Brock heavyest weight 238 (7th career fight), lightest 218 (24th career fight vs McCline)

Wlad heavyest weight 246 (vs Derrick Jefferson), lightest 220 first career fight



But yeah Wlad will find range and drop the steelhammer on Calvin

Lets not forget that Zuri Lawrence, the man with no KOs to his name, was giving Brock all he could handle before being stopped. Brock s defence is lacking, and Wlads chin is lacking so whoever can hang in there the longest will win. This will not go to the scorecards imo. Im gonna go with Wlad late tko

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Actually Brock is in decent shape, he's just got a different frame.

Brock heavyest weight 238 (7th career fight), lightest 218 (24th career fight vs McCline)

Wlad heavyest weight 246 (vs Derrick Jefferson), lightest 220 first career fight



But yeah Wlad will find range and drop the steelhammer on Calvin

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Lyle mate if that is Brock "In shape" f*ck knows what he looked like in other fights ;D
He clearly has "Bitch T!TS"

I like Brock and hope he is able to bring something to challenge Wlad. Its hard to imagine in what way he will be able to push Wlad though, especially seeing how lacklustre he looked last time out. Should be a routine win for Wlad on paper, but maybe Brock will show some heart here...

brock by a big KO in the 2nd round

Well if that happens I will be VERY surprised....if Calvin is going to win he needs to have good defense and press Wlad, make him move a lot, make him punch alot and I just don't think he has it in him right now, but you never know and that's why they fight the fight

one punch ko -i mean a real big punch
perhaps a career ending one
can you smell it?

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Originally Posted by the_answer

one punch ko -i mean a real big punch
perhaps a career ending one
can you smell it?

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I would be very surprised if Brock was to get close enough to do that as early as round 2....

I dont smell it!!! ;D

OK:

Is Brock better than Byrd? No. So WK will finnish him faster.

If they were equally good; WK is still a superHW and brock a size smaller.

If WK loses I will never post again.

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Originally Posted by plinden

OK:

Is Brock better than Byrd? No. So WK will finnish him faster.

If they were equally good; WK is still a superHW and brock a size smaller.

If WK loses I will never post again.

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well Byrd aint got no bite to his punch .. Brock can crack the whip, so Brock has a better chance then Byrd did . but only slightly. Wlad is a big guy, long reach , and in good shape with a fast str8 right hand, which can put anyone under !

Anyone know how much they are being paid? And does Wlad have a rematch clause(not that I think he will need it)?

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Originally Posted by plinden

OK:

Is Brock better than Byrd? No. So WK will finnish him faster.

If they were equally good; WK is still a superHW and brock a size smaller.

If WK loses I will never post again.

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If there were no style differences such linear thought might apply. It's interesting to think like that but fights don't follow the logic. (that said, I have Wlad by TKO)

As far as never posting again ... we hear that a lot and it's rarely carried out. Kind of like an insincere suicide threat. And when they do follow through with it, they generally get reincarnated pretty quick ... new name, same soul ... and more to the point, same posts

Byrd was good at defense, but his offense was piss poor.
That's half a fighter, on the other hand despite that fault,
Byrd's defensive wizardry took him far in the heavyweight division.

After thinking about this, I consider this fight to be more dangerous than Peter and Byrd.
Brock is smarter than Peter and hits harder than Byrd.
And he'll work to never lose his perfect record.

Wladimir's chin won't be the turning point in this fight. Rather his STAMINA will be the deciding factor. If he
doesn't have the stamina to keep Brock away, then he himself better worry about his own chin. heh :)

BOUT TIME H.W'S ARE FIGHTING EACH OTHER!

Hey! No b*d*ss fights, but this division is making more progress than any other division! hahah :D

I guess if anything Brock should go to Wlad's body.

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I guess if anything Brock should go to Wlad's body.

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Yea, get close to Wlad so he can take your head off. Thats what I want to see Brock do.

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Originally Posted by the_answer

one punch ko -i mean a real big punch
perhaps a career ending one
can you smell it?

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....Nope

Calvin Brock might have 22 KO's in 29 fights but vs who? Did he hurt Jameel McCline????


Wlad knocked him out and that was a bad night for Wlad!