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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
When does the program on showtime begin folks?
Saturday night @ 10 p.m. babe.
Wacko can't wait!!! ;D
Shit I thought it was tonight, just realised its past twelve now, so its the 6th fuck! They weighed in yestereday the shat threw me off. Damn, I'm gonna down my sorrows now.
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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When does the program on showtime begin folks?
Saturday night @ 10 p.m. babe.
Wacko can't wait!!! ;D
S*** I thought it was tonight, just realised its past twelve now, so its the 6th F***! They weighed in yestereday the shat threw me off. Damn, I'm gonna down my sorrows now.
Heh heh heh heh. Sorry babe...you'll have that shit from time to time. ;D
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Originally Posted by miles
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I'm amazed that only 2 people have voted for a Peter decision.
I have to be honest, as much as I want Toney to win, if I was betting with my head I'd go for a Peter SD and would have thought that would be the most popular option.
I voted for Toney by UD though cos I'm a huge fan and can't vote against him!
Toney wont lose, not in a rematch!! ;)
Agreed...but it's fun to dream. Heh heh heh.
I did say that before realising Toney is a pound heavier! :-\ Still, his body looks firmer, though still too rotund for my liking. I know muscle is heavier but I was expecting at least a couple of pounds to have been shed.
Peter is coming in leaner too. This is going to be VERY interesting. I as a Toney fan will be hoping the rot has stopped. And you will be hoping he gets put on his fat rear end. Too very differing perspectives, but one intriguing bout! ;D
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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How can the second most popular concensus be that peter wins by ko? Toney has a great chin and a very slick style that makes his ability to take a punch that much better. If peter couldn't drop Dr. glassjaw for the count what makes you think he can even hurt toney?
He hurt Toney in there first fight. 4th or 5th round...can't remember which...but he did hurt him. Clocked his a** hard.
Klitschko doesn't have a glass jaw...that's just silly.
He's been knocked out twice is some 40+ fights...the rest is stamina & he did pretty well against Peter who is without a doubt a KO artist.
Peter by shocking TKO. ;D
There's a difference between phasing someone and actually harming them to the point that it throws off their game. Its not the quantity of ko's that im using as a point, it is the quality. 4 times in two rounds against sanders!? The purity was stamina related as was the brewster one to an extent but i think its been proven that if you can hit him he will go down. It's not complete glass its more like those bs plastic packages that electronic toys come in. They are rather difficult to get inside but once you get scissors for them it doesn't really stand a chance.
Okay...well as quailty goes...Wlad got up from every time he was dropped & never lost consciousness.
Wlad's been hit by some of the heaviest hitters out there...Sanders argueably the heaviest of the 90's big men...I just have never agreed with that glass chin S*** because he always got up.
Ok i won't call it glass but i will dub it as "suspect"
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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How can the second most popular concensus be that peter wins by ko? Toney has a great chin and a very slick style that makes his ability to take a punch that much better. If peter couldn't drop Dr. glassjaw for the count what makes you think he can even hurt toney?
He hurt Toney in there first fight. 4th or 5th round...can't remember which...but he did hurt him. Clocked his a** hard.
Klitschko doesn't have a glass jaw...that's just silly.
He's been knocked out twice is some 40+ fights...the rest is stamina & he did pretty well against Peter who is without a doubt a KO artist.
Peter by shocking TKO. ;D
There's a difference between phasing someone and actually harming them to the point that it throws off their game. Its not the quantity of ko's that im using as a point, it is the quality. 4 times in two rounds against sanders!? The purity was stamina related as was the brewster one to an extent but i think its been proven that if you can hit him he will go down. It's not complete glass its more like those bs plastic packages that electronic toys come in. They are rather difficult to get inside but once you get scissors for them it doesn't really stand a chance.
Okay...well as quailty goes...Wlad got up from every time he was dropped & never lost consciousness.
Wlad's been hit by some of the heaviest hitters out there...Sanders argueably the heaviest of the 90's big men...I just have never agreed with that glass chin S*** because he always got up.
Ok i won't call it glass but i will dub it as "suspect"
Fair enough. ;)
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And so Saturday arrives....I've been pretty vocal in my support for Sam Peter, in my view he did enough first time out, but the JFAT cheerleading squad have won him a rematch, and I can't see it being anything but a more emphatic victory for the Nigerian Nightmare. Peter's younger, stronger and fitter, and Toney can't keep dodging those shells in Peter's fists forever. But if he does he'll need to work harder and throw many more of those middleweights punches to warrant a points win.
Anyhow, I believe my quote has become cliche, and then moved out the other side and gone full circle back to cool, so to quote the Terminator, come fight time, "I'll be back".
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
And so Saturday arrives....I've been pretty vocal in my support for Sam Peter, in my view he did enough first time out, but the JFAT cheerleading squad have won him a rematch, and I can't see it being anything but a more emphatic victory for the Nigerian Nightmare. Peter's younger, stronger and fitter, and Toney can't keep dodging those shells in Peter's fists forever. But if he does he'll need to work harder and throw many more of those middleweights punches to warrant a points win.
Anyhow, I believe my quote has become cliche, and then moved out the other side and gone full circle back to cool, so to quote the Terminator, come fight time, "I'll be back".
Bring it on!! Go Toney!!!!!! Get that belly bounce in full swing, ya lil funky baby ya! Wheee Haaaa!! ;D
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James will win this for sure.Clear UD.
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
And so Saturday arrives....I've been pretty vocal in my support for Sam Peter, in my view he did enough first time out, but the JFAT cheerleading squad have won him a rematch, and I can't see it being anything but a more emphatic victory for the Nigerian Nightmare. Peter's younger, stronger and fitter, and Toney can't keep dodging those shells in Peter's fists forever. But if he does he'll need to work harder and throw many more of those middleweights punches to warrant a points win.
Anyhow, I believe my quote has become cliche, and then moved out the other side and gone full circle back to cool, so to quote the Terminator, come fight time, "I'll be back".
Heres the deal I see with all this I like Sam Peter and he is my 3rd favorite heavy behind Evander, ironically enough James Toney is 2nd ;D but as far as Sam goes the boy cant box a lick at this point in his career plain and simple. James is better than Peter in every single way except power and I think he outboxed Peter decisevly and James got a royal screwing last time out.
Now lets talk about Toneys weight. James is in a weird spot right now he really dosent belong in the heavyweight division thats the beauty of all this he is that Fukin good one of the best and I shutter to say his Body of work is more impressive than Roy Jones jr James is one of the greatest of all time... period!!!! thats why he is were he is
Now back to the weight, judging by the weigh in pics James body looks signifigantly harder not the overly flabby body we have seen. a 215-220lb James Toney would get murdered by Peter cause of the weight difference James needs to carry the weight for stability against a big puncher like Peter, James has added signifigant muscle mass to his shoulders, neck, Chest and you can see a hint of his abs around his sola plexes. Muscle weighs more than fat, so I disregard his weight all together it dosent mean he's a fat piece of shite because he weighs virtually the same from the last fight..
as far as James needing to do a ton of roadwork I say NO HE DOSENT!! James is a counterpuncher and he fights in spurts so if he can do interval training for conditioning and still have the necessary cardio to be effective in a fight and again he needs to carry more denseity to absorb a true heavweights punches.
The shoulder bulk adds as a shield for James since he makes a living with shoulder rolls and its an integral part of
his defense.
James may not look like an Evander Holyfield but his current body composition is better suited for a fight with a Sam Peter or a Wlad Klitschko.
Bottom line James Toney decisive 12 round UD ;)
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If your'e expecting Toney to come in lookin anything remotely close to this...you are all mistaken.
I'm gonna go with Peter by shock TKO!!!
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
Wacks is that a sparring session for this fight or is that an older fight?
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I think Toney will get a late stoppage or at least thats what I'm hoping, Toney will exploit him and punish him and then go on to get knock out by Wlad. 8)
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Wacks is that a sparring session for this fight or is that an older fight?
Nah babe...that's an older one.
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Toney may be a counterpuncher JT but he wasn't active enough to win last fight and he was completely gassed out at the end. I'm not a trainer so I'm not going to go into the logistics and lay out a regime, but he obviously needs to do more then just spar because it didn't work last time. In fact if Peter hadn't of lost his cool, I doubt we would even have a rematch. He should have lost that fight. I'm going Peter by stoppage for the first time in Toney's career. James isn't doing anything but getting older and Peter has a lot of room to improve. He's progressed nicely each fight since he KTFO Jeremy Williams. IMO, James gasses out and gets stopped on the ropes.
And btw, has anyone heard of ANY of these judges? Pretty obscure judges to have for a big fight.
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i doubt JT can stop Peter i mean if big WLAD couldnt do it, JT certainly wont be able to.
I hoping a big mother KO by Peter just to make the HW division exciting.
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peter by k.o he will finish the job this time. its the end for toney the sport is better of with peter winning, he can bring fire works. toney is pure boring and fabby. lets go sam pete.
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peter bu ko tonight!
:coolclick: Agreed 100%.
Let's just hope that Peter boxes with his head like he did last time. Peter showed a lot of improvement the last go around & if you stop & think about it...for Peter to be as bad as everyone says he is...he's done the best against Toney to date.
Something to think about.
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peter bu ko tonight!
:coolclick: Agreed 100%.
Let's just hope that Peter boxes with his head like he did last time. Peter showed a lot of improvement the last go around & if you stop & think about it...for Peter to be as bad as everyone says he is...he's done the best against Toney to date.
Something to think about.
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peter bu ko tonight!
:coolclick: Agreed 100%.
Let's just hope that Peter boxes with his head like he did last time. Peter showed a lot of improvement the last go around & if you stop & think about it...for Peter to be as bad as everyone says he is...he's done the best against Toney to date.
Something to think about.
stranger things have happend ...
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
This best go the distance yano. I cant loose to Rhun. :P
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who is fighting on the undercard tonight?
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karmazin is on the card, but im not sure thats gonna be tghe televised undercard
also, toney looked to be in real good shape... but i think the absence of all that weight will make peters punches more effective against him, peter is in better shape also :D :D :D
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heres the whole card
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USA, Florida, Hollywood, Seminole Hard Rock Arenaview
Samuel Peter 249 V James Toney 234 NC ? 12 Wiki Biography
Jose Antonio Rivera 153 V Travis Simms 153¾ NC ? 12 Wiki Biography
Roman Karmazin 159¾ V James Obede Toney 159 NC ? 10 Wiki Biography
Guillermo Jones 213 V Jeremy Bates 227 NC ? 8 Wiki Biography
Javier Mora 255 V Earl Ladson 229 NC ? 8 Wiki Biography
Anges Adjaho 131¾ W Armando Cordoba 133¾ UD 6 6 Wiki Biography
Devon Alexander 144¾ V Maximino Cuevas 147 NC ? 0 Wiki Biography
Laura Ramsey 168 V Ijeoma Egbunine 167 NC ? 0 Wiki Biography
Bermane Stiverne 246¾ V Otis Mills 216 NC ? 0
http://www.boxrec.com/date_search.ph...07&mm=01&dd=06
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Well everyone...it's our first fight of the New Year together...let's hope it's a goodee!!!
Now...that being said...I've sat through 4 Sam Peter fights as of the moment & I'm on me 3rd Kettle One Chocolate Maritini...so things are toasty in Wackoland & everything is cracking.
The reason that I'm chugging through the fights & the juice...I wanted to touch on a statement that one of me fellow forum goers made about Peter's improvement.
The fact is...Peter has been improving.
He looked great against Toney compared to what he looked like against Jeremy Williams & win lose or draw...I think that credit should go out to the youngster for doing so well against one of the greatest fighters of the decade in James Toney.
Cheers...let's get it on...in another 2 hours & 15 minutes or so. ;D :drunks:
Anyone else pounding the booze tonight...or did you panooches make a buncha wack-ass resolutions? If you did...shame on you...pick up that lonely bottle in the corner...it's your friend.
Show some loyalty for Christ's sake. ;D Heh heh heh.
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If your'e expecting Toney to come in lookin anything remotely close to this...you are all mistaken.
I'm gonna go with Peter by shock TKO!!!
Mate...I hate to be the one to tell you...but in my eyes there won't be any shock about it. I think Peter will put him on his arse quicker than you can recite the Cyrillic Alphabet backwards and forwards.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
If your'e expecting Toney to come in lookin anything remotely close to this...you are all mistaken.
I'm gonna go with Peter by shock TKO!!!
Mate...I hate to be the one to tell you...but in my eyes there won't be any shock about it. I think Peter will put him on his a*** quicker than you can recite the Cyrillic Alphabet backwards and forwards.
:coolclick: One can only hope. ;D
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anyone know if there is any live video feed for tonights fights? man i hate the uk we ever get the heavyweight fights on tv only Audley Harrison and Danny Williams :'(
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I'm watch the Peter Klitschko fight & Peter did damned well against Wlad, IWO.
Everyone focuses on him hitting Wlad behind the head to score the knockdowns...the first one it was on the back of the head...the second one was a right hand that clocked him on the top of the head.
The thing is...Wlad was doing a massive amount of ducking & leaning & holding making some of Peter's shots go wrong.
One thing that Peter did well in this fight was his body work. Damn bwoy he tore up his body with left hooks.
Also...very impressed with the fact that Peter took every flush right that Wlad threw.
Win, lose, or draw tonight...fwockit...I like big Sam.
**Note that I refuse to say "I like Peter" based on the fact that someone here (CuteMick) would turn that into..."Wacko loves Dick" or "Wacko loves Richard Noggin".
Oh gotdam...I did it meself. What can I say...I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE PETER!!!! Heh heh heh.
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anyone know if there is any live video feed for tonights fights? man i hate the uk we ever get the heavyweight fights on tv only Audley Harrison and Danny Williams :'(
Add to this appeal, are there any radio commentary streams that will be following this fight blow-by-blow? A week's cc's if you can hook me up...or at least for as long as i remember.
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I'm watch the Peter Klitschko fight & Peter did damned well against Wlad, IWO.
Everyone focuses on him hitting Wlad behind the head to score the knockdowns...the first one it was on the back of the head...the second one was a right hand that clocked him on the top of the head.
The thing is...Wlad was doing a massive amount of ducking & leaning & holding making some of Peter's shots go wrong.
One thing that Peter did well in this fight was his body work. Damn bwoy he tore up his body with left hooks.
Also...very impressed with the fact that Peter took every flush right that Wlad threw.
Win, lose, or draw tonight...fwockit...I like big Sam.
**Note that I refuse to say "I like Peter" based on the fact that someone here (CuteMick) would turn that into..."Wacko loves Dick" or "Wacko loves Richard Noggin".
Oh gotdam...I did it meself. What can I say...I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE PETER!!!! Heh heh heh.
I was watching that fight yesterday. And I taught it was a disappointing performance by Peter. The first knock down was to the back of the head and the second was more of a push down. The only legit knock down was the third. While I did noticed his body work, I also noticed that most of his punches to the body were lunging shots. They weren't digging shots. If they were he would of broke a rib with the amount of shots he was landing. And I'm starting to wonder if Peter even knows how to nod his head cuz he had no head movement what's so ever. His chin is strong but it can only take so much. As is evident by the 12th round wobble Wlad made him do.
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Damn I can't wait for this fight, I've been waiting 24 hours longer than I needed to cos I thought it was last night, and now its finally come around I want Toney to win by KO even more. I love watching his fat ass fight, it's like defying the lwas of physics that he's 5ft 10', fat as hell, a natural middleweight, yet pulls off amazing, quick counters using that philly shell defence, and he has the best chin of all the heavies. And he never backs down, he's all heart, but surely this can't carry on, him taking massive shots from one of the most devastating punchers in the division, and walking through them. Toney claims that Iran Barkley hit him harder, I see what he means, guys like Rahman, Bruno and Peter aren't real 'punchers' so they may be strong as hell, but its not real punch power due to technique. Compare the size of Peter with a guy like Floyd Patterson, and he could knock them cold with one punch just as good.
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I'm watch the Peter Klitschko fight & Peter did damned well against Wlad, IWO.
Everyone focuses on him hitting Wlad behind the head to score the knockdowns...the first one it was on the back of the head...the second one was a right hand that clocked him on the top of the head.
The thing is...Wlad was doing a massive amount of ducking & leaning & holding making some of Peter's shots go wrong.
One thing that Peter did well in this fight was his body work. Damn bwoy he tore up his body with left hooks.
Also...very impressed with the fact that Peter took every flush right that Wlad threw.
Win, lose, or draw tonight...fwockit...I like big Sam.
**Note that I refuse to say "I like Peter" based on the fact that someone here (CuteMick) would turn that into..."Wacko loves Dick" or "Wacko loves Richard Noggin".
Oh gotdam...I did it meself. What can I say...I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE PETER!!!! Heh heh heh.
I was watching that fight yesterday. And I taught it was a disappointing performance by Peter. The first knock down was to the back of the head and the second was more of a push down. The only legit knock down was the third. While I did noticed his body work, I also noticed that most of his punches to the body were lunging shots. They weren't digging shots. If they were he would of broke a rib with the amount of shots he was landing. And I'm starting to wonder if Peter even knows how to nod his head cuz he had no head movement what's so ever. His chin is strong but it can only take so much. As is evident by the 12th round wobble Wlad made him do.
My thing is this...Wlad is one of the more accomplished legit heavies, Toney is one of the better boxers of the last 10 to 15 years, & for Peter to catch as much criticism as he does...I think that it's just a bit harsh because he hung pretty well with them both.
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Damn I can't wait for this fight, I've been waiting 24 hours longer than I needed to cos I thought it was last night, and now its finally come around I want Toney to win by KO even more. I love watching his fat a** fight, it's like defying the lwas of physics that he's 5ft 10', fat as hell, a natural middleweight, yet pulls off amazing, quick counters using that philly shell defence, and he has the best chin of all the heavies.
I'm now excited about the fight myself...but I don't share your love for Toney.
Still...should be a great night either way.
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go peter go, get rid of the stay puff marshmallow man
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go peter go, get rid of the stay puff marshmallow man
Heh heh heh.
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i cant tell th difference is that a james toney pic wacko?
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i cant tell th difference is that a james toney pic wacko?
Heh heh heh. Billy Blanks my gotdam ass! ;D
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Billy Blanks jo-jack class
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I'm watch the Peter Klitschko fight & Peter did damned well against Wlad, IWO.
Everyone focuses on him hitting Wlad behind the head to score the knockdowns...the first one it was on the back of the head...the second one was a right hand that clocked him on the top of the head.
The thing is...Wlad was doing a massive amount of ducking & leaning & holding making some of Peter's shots go wrong.
One thing that Peter did well in this fight was his body work. Damn bwoy he tore up his body with left hooks.
Also...very impressed with the fact that Peter took every flush right that Wlad threw.
Win, lose, or draw tonight...fwockit...I like big Sam.
**Note that I refuse to say "I like Peter" based on the fact that someone here (CuteMick) would turn that into..."Wacko loves Dick" or "Wacko loves Richard Noggin".
Oh gotdam...I did it meself. What can I say...I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE PETER!!!! Heh heh heh.
I was watching that fight yesterday. And I taught it was a disappointing performance by Peter. The first knock down was to the back of the head and the second was more of a push down. The only legit knock down was the third. While I did noticed his body work, I also noticed that most of his punches to the body were lunging shots. They weren't digging shots. If they were he would of broke a rib with the amount of shots he was landing. And I'm starting to wonder if Peter even knows how to nod his head cuz he had no head movement what's so ever. His chin is strong but it can only take so much. As is evident by the 12th round wobble Wlad made him do.
My thing is this...Wlad is one of the more accomplished legit heavies, Toney is one of the better boxers of the last 10 to 15 years, & for Peter to catch as much criticism as he does...I think that it's just a bit harsh because he hung pretty well with them both.
It's just there making Peter out to be this monster. When it's clear he's just a puncher. And nothing more
